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Sat Sep-24-11 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #126 |
| 128. There's a "pretty" death? |
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I saw my sister-in-law die of cancer,
and my father die of ALS, and my grandmother
die of heart failure.
None of them were pretty.
The heart failure death of my non-smoking
grandmother was the worst, hooked up to
a respirator, begging to be unplugged.
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| -Only Non-Smokers Need Apply At Baylor |
The Northerner |
Sep-24-11 01:35 AM |
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I believe they're within their rights to do this. |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Sep-24-11 01:39 AM |
#1 |
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So do drinkers. I cannot wait for companies to bar people who drink from being hired. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-24-11 01:46 AM |
#2 |
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Companies have every right not to hire or to terminate people that |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:20 AM |
#45 |
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sorry zero-tolerance doesnt work that way.. in our zero-tolerance nation. |
meow mix |
Sep-24-11 02:17 PM |
#112 |
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Not all alcohol is bad. Red Wine has been shown to have health benefits |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:00 PM |
#97 |
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Yup. No overweight folks either. |
HappyMe |
Sep-24-11 08:22 PM |
#154 |
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"Former drug users need not apply at Baylor" -- imagine how the same people would react |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-25-11 08:42 AM |
#168 |
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Not to repeat a tired line but, |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 01:55 AM |
#4 |
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Me too |
Politicalboi |
Sep-24-11 03:23 AM |
#9 |
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Gee, next thing ya know, they'll fire you for having "bad" DNA. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 02:23 AM |
#6 |
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+1 |
area51 |
Sep-24-11 04:16 AM |
#14 |
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You're making an overstatement. nt. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:56 AM |
#37 |
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It saddens me to see you compare a personal choice with the way a person is born. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:22 AM |
#57 |
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Why does it "sadden" you? You aren't pulling the string, I see. Tsk, tsk. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 12:32 PM |
#80 |
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That's most likely on its way... |
BiggJawn |
Sep-24-11 11:20 AM |
#71 |
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Henry Ford, the fascist and a fan of Hitler, had a "social department' for his workers. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-24-11 02:30 AM |
#7 |
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It IS discrimination |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 05:37 AM |
#19 |
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There's almost always discrimination in every hiring |
Major Nikon |
Sep-24-11 02:08 PM |
#104 |
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Not hiring a blind person to drive a truck is not, by any stretch of the imagination, discrimination |
dflprincess |
Sep-24-11 10:55 PM |
#157 |
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Certainly the moral issue is much larger than the legal issue |
Major Nikon |
Sep-25-11 09:39 AM |
#169 |
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Yep, that the BS we were all served, but health care nor insurance rates have |
Lionessa |
Sep-24-11 05:43 AM |
#21 |
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Fat people have health problems too. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-24-11 07:07 AM |
#24 |
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fat people are already on the list, even if it's unofficial. |
Sirveri |
Sep-24-11 07:39 AM |
#30 |
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What about Native Americans who use tobacco as part of their religious beliefs? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-24-11 11:09 AM |
#69 |
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But where does this end? |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-24-11 11:26 AM |
#74 |
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No business should base any hiring or retention of employees |
Occulus |
Sep-24-11 01:49 AM |
#3 |
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Exactly. My comp prohibits employees smoking on campus and offers free |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 01:56 AM |
#5 |
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so it's ok for your 4th-grade son's teacher to work as a stripper in her off hours? |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 07:16 AM |
#26 |
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It's fine with me |
Occulus |
Sep-24-11 10:07 AM |
#54 |
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Why wouldn't it be? |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:24 AM |
#58 |
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just wondered if anyone thought it might be disruptive to learning |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 02:38 PM |
#124 |
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Now why would the students know? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 03:55 PM |
#135 |
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no - obviously not - but do you think anonymity is guaranteeed? |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 04:53 PM |
#136 |
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Privacy in the modern us s a fantasy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 11:20 PM |
#160 |
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Since when do male students need facts to base their raging hormone fantasies on? |
Gidney N Cloyd |
Sep-25-11 10:43 AM |
#174 |
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yes but I prefer that we paid teachers enough to not have to work a second job. |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-24-11 10:24 AM |
#59 |
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I'm fine with it. |
bigwillq |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
#61 |
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As long as she isn't stripping in class, I don't see why her legal, off hours activities |
Arkansas Granny |
Sep-24-11 11:00 AM |
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Sep-24-11 11:26 AM |
#75 |
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Why the fuck wouldn't it be? |
Joe the Revelator |
Sep-24-11 11:47 AM |
#77 |
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Wouldn't bother me |
Major Nikon |
Sep-24-11 02:10 PM |
#108 |
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ok - so let's say you are a Project Manager for a state whose job is to |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 04:57 PM |
#137 |
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Come on |
etherealtruth |
Sep-24-11 06:09 PM |
#139 |
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EXACTLY my point - thank you |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 06:27 PM |
#143 |
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I don't think so ... |
etherealtruth |
Sep-24-11 07:48 PM |
#152 |
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but it does place a limit on you in terms of your off-hours empolyment |
DrDan |
Sep-25-11 04:46 AM |
#161 |
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I saw this coming over 25 years ago. Baylor is hardly the first to institute such a policy. . . |
Journeyman |
Sep-24-11 02:37 AM |
#8 |
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Or we have unions to protect us from fascism. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-24-11 03:41 AM |
#10 |
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Preventing smokers from endangering sick people is not fascism. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:26 AM |
#47 |
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Can a sick person make a smoker ill? Maybe we ought to just kill everyone off! nt |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 10:10 AM |
#55 |
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You're becoming desperate. Can't win on logic and commonsense? nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:40 PM |
#90 |
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We're not even talking about people smoking at work. |
KamaAina |
Sep-24-11 06:13 PM |
#140 |
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3-5 packs? jeez. |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 04:09 AM |
#12 |
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3-5 Packs a day? I'd quit just because I'd be too broke to buy em. |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:01 PM |
#98 |
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When I took up the addiction, in 1970, smokes cost about 30¢ a pack. . . |
Journeyman |
Sep-24-11 03:38 PM |
#130 |
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If smoking didn't make you stink |
Jane Austin |
Sep-24-11 03:50 AM |
#11 |
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I'm an ex smoker and that's ridiculous. I hang out with several smokers and ex-smokers and no one |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 04:11 AM |
#13 |
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I'm an ex-smoker, and I disagree |
bhikkhu |
Sep-24-11 02:27 PM |
#119 |
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their hair, their clothes and their breath smell. |
PADemD |
Sep-24-11 05:14 AM |
#16 |
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obviously they don't deserve jobs. |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 05:23 AM |
#18 |
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Smokers are an imminent threat to sick people. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:23 AM |
#46 |
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That is a good argument for banning people from smoking at work... |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-24-11 11:29 AM |
#76 |
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you have asthma? You are costing too much $$. No JOB for you! nt |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:11 AM |
#25 |
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What gets me is the number of breaks smokers take each day... |
Darth_Kitten |
Sep-24-11 08:26 AM |
#48 |
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I'm a non-smoker and I always took a break with 'em. |
bengalherder |
Sep-24-11 11:25 AM |
#73 |
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The smokers don't have to account for every minute of their workdays... |
Darth_Kitten |
Sep-24-11 06:03 PM |
#138 |
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And some people don't bathe regularly and splash stinking cologne |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:21 AM |
#170 |
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BRAVO for Baylor |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 05:12 AM |
#15 |
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BAylor has not allowed smoking on hospital grounds for years |
Uben |
Sep-24-11 05:21 AM |
#17 |
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It's discrimination, pure and simple. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 05:38 AM |
#20 |
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No it isn't. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:47 AM |
#34 |
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Eating is legal and a choice, and sometimes people get fat engaging in that behavior. |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:49 AM |
#35 |
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Overweight people do not present a clear and present danger to seriously |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:01 AM |
#38 |
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It common sense, really. I don't understand why more don't get that. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:28 AM |
#62 |
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well, yes it is, actually. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 08:12 AM |
#41 |
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Smoking is a choice, not an unchangeable characteristic. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:17 AM |
#44 |
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It is a lifestyle choice, just like anything else |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 08:35 AM |
#52 |
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Its a choice that affects everyone, not just the individual. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:31 AM |
#63 |
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It's an addictive predisposition for many, nestled in your DNA--like alcoholism. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 12:37 PM |
#82 |
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Humans are all flawed in one form or another |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 12:52 PM |
#84 |
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They are also banning chewing tobacco, so it's not just about the sick people. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-24-11 11:12 AM |
#70 |
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Smokers do not endanger their patients |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:29 PM |
#144 |
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I agree with denying jobs to healthcare workers who smoke around patients. |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-25-11 02:29 PM |
#179 |
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Oh yeah, exactly the same. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
#60 |
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well, yeah, it is... |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 01:14 PM |
#86 |
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Were you born a smoker? |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:03 PM |
#100 |
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It has nothing whatsoever to do with choice. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:07 PM |
#103 |
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Not buying it |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:22 PM |
#115 |
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whether you 'buy' it or not is irrelevant. It is still discrimination. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:26 PM |
#118 |
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Odd how it's mostly smokers that feel that way |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:32 PM |
#122 |
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Choose better parents. The "addictive personality" is a genetic condition. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 03:19 PM |
#129 |
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Discrimination. |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:58 AM |
#22 |
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Would you cut off a good finger because another finger is infected? |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:55 AM |
#36 |
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Smokers are not a protected class. |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Sep-24-11 12:44 PM |
#83 |
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Being overweight is not a "protected class " either. |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:37 PM |
#145 |
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If I were in HR... |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Sep-24-11 07:02 AM |
#23 |
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More power to Baylor. Smoking is a choice. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:24 AM |
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living is a choice too. nt |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:30 AM |
#28 |
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Whatever. I choose to live and not smoke. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:38 AM |
#29 |
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yeah, they are lighting up in patients rooms and blowing smoke in babies faces. |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:43 AM |
#32 |
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You are right. If the behavior of the people you mentioned causes |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:09 AM |
#40 |
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What? You want to blood test people daily for alcohol? |
NutmegYankee |
Sep-24-11 08:32 AM |
#51 |
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Where did I say test daily? |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:52 PM |
#94 |
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It was implied. |
NutmegYankee |
Sep-24-11 07:22 PM |
#151 |
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so is going to a bar that allows it - I am sure you are ok with that too (nt) |
The Straight Story |
Sep-24-11 01:46 PM |
#91 |
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I personally would not patronize a bar or restaurant that allows smoking. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:55 PM |
#95 |
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Smoking is legal |
Aerows |
Sep-24-11 07:42 AM |
#31 |
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Baylor Health Systems has a right not to hire smokers. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:16 AM |
#43 |
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So what you're saying is you are for discrimination |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 08:45 AM |
#53 |
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That one has a LOT in common with the 'baggers.... |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 10:18 AM |
#56 |
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I prefer to be called a Moderate with commonsense. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:02 PM |
#99 |
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You're right, of course. |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 02:17 PM |
#113 |
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Discrimination is when one denies a person due to an unchangeable |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:57 PM |
#96 |
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That is YOUR definition, conveniently crafted to fit your own prejudices |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:04 PM |
#102 |
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That is not the legal definition of discrimination. To be legally |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-24-11 02:13 PM |
#109 |
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Thank you. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:18 PM |
#114 |
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Yes, all smoking doctors should be shit-canned. |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 02:23 PM |
#116 |
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There's that word 'choice' again... |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:28 PM |
#120 |
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I've heard all of my life from people who thought |
Aerows |
Sep-25-11 11:13 AM |
#177 |
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So according to your legal definition |
Eric_323 |
Sep-24-11 03:47 PM |
#132 |
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In some cases? |
Aerows |
Sep-25-11 11:09 AM |
#176 |
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So let me get back to another example I used |
Aerows |
Sep-25-11 11:33 AM |
#178 |
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It's legal. Stupid, but legal. nt |
LWolf |
Sep-24-11 02:25 PM |
#117 |
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Companies should control ALL personal behavior of employees - and rid themselves of all undesirable |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 07:44 AM |
#33 |
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sorry... but i have the right to privacy |
LadyInAZ |
Sep-24-11 01:12 PM |
#85 |
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I was being facetious - in an attempt at making a point |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 01:38 PM |
#89 |
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"The FDA estimates smoking costs American employers some $200 billion a year in lost productivity.." |
Cool Logic |
Sep-24-11 08:08 AM |
#39 |
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This is common in healthcare. |
XanaDUer |
Sep-24-11 08:15 AM |
#42 |
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I favor adding alcohol and illegal drugs to that Scan. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:27 AM |
#49 |
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They've already got that covered |
XanaDUer |
Sep-24-11 08:28 AM |
#50 |
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No. Because there are many routes for getting HIV, many which the affected |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:09 PM |
#105 |
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But they still may be injurious to employees |
XanaDUer |
Sep-24-11 06:48 PM |
#148 |
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a pro discrimination DUer. swell |
dionysus |
Sep-24-11 12:12 PM |
#78 |
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Read up on the definition of discrimination. You seriously need to. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:04 PM |
#101 |
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I believe there is a name for that.... |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:44 PM |
#146 |
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i was trying to be nice eilen. |
dionysus |
Sep-24-11 08:16 PM |
#153 |
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When employers CAN pick and choose, they will |
SoCalDem |
Sep-24-11 10:49 AM |
#64 |
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Smoking is bad for children. nt |
Zorra |
Sep-24-11 10:52 AM |
#65 |
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I would have an easier time understanding this if tobacco was an illegal substance. |
Arkansas Granny |
Sep-24-11 10:57 AM |
#66 |
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agreed. tobacco is legal. end of story. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:28 AM |
#171 |
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Seems logical. Seeing doctors smoking outside a healthcare facility is a big turnoff. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Sep-24-11 11:03 AM |
#68 |
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Much as I oppose tobacco use... |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-24-11 11:20 AM |
#72 |
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Any university with Ken Starr as it's President is a joke. |
Patriot 76 |
Sep-24-11 12:29 PM |
#79 |
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I wouldn't even complete the application if that stipulation appeared |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-24-11 12:37 PM |
#81 |
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How about the obese???? |
RagAss |
Sep-24-11 01:25 PM |
#87 |
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Few things about my obsesity vs. smokers |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:09 PM |
#106 |
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Is your obesity a genetic predisposition? Do you have fat forebears? |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 03:39 PM |
#131 |
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I've never heard it put so well..Thanks....n/t |
RagAss |
Sep-24-11 08:43 PM |
#155 |
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Anytime. |
MADem |
Sep-25-11 07:04 AM |
#164 |
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if you tripped and fell on me it would ... |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:29 AM |
#172 |
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I have no problem with this. n-t |
Logical |
Sep-24-11 01:29 PM |
#88 |
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I never expected to see this much anti-worker sentiment on DU. |
name not needed |
Sep-24-11 01:48 PM |
#92 |
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some of these posts remind me that there can be a fascism on the left just as easy as there can be |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 01:51 PM |
#93 |
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You use the term "Fascism" too lightly. Beware because YOU will be part |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:14 PM |
#110 |
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those who support bullying people and pushing them around and telling them what they can do in their |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 02:29 PM |
#121 |
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Yet in the immortal words of Iñigo Montoya |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 03:52 PM |
#133 |
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I think you have characterized the concept of "Nanny-State' |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:48 PM |
#147 |
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Non-smokers |
SOS |
Sep-24-11 02:10 PM |
#107 |
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You have an important concern. Do any of those people exhale what |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:16 PM |
#111 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-24-11 02:33 PM |
#123 |
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I believe people have the right to end their life if they choose. |
gulliver |
Sep-24-11 02:47 PM |
#125 |
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I would normally think what you posted is pretty harsh however... |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:53 PM |
#126 |
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There's a "pretty" death? |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 03:17 PM |
#128 |
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Oh I know Death is not pretty |
LynneSin |
Sep-25-11 05:57 AM |
#162 |
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Fuck Baylor then. |
Rex |
Sep-24-11 02:54 PM |
#127 |
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While the policy is discriminatory |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 03:54 PM |
#134 |
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I've been a nurse for 14 years. |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 07:05 PM |
#150 |
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As a former medic I am aware |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 11:19 PM |
#159 |
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thank you, from a conscientous smoker who tries to keep it to himself. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:34 AM |
#173 |
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Anyone have a picture of Ken Starr lighting up a Cuban? |
KamaAina |
Sep-24-11 06:14 PM |
#141 |
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To Ken Starr, "lighting up a Cuban" |
MADem |
Sep-25-11 07:15 AM |
#166 |
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Definitely a slippery slope |
Blasphemer |
Sep-24-11 06:23 PM |
#142 |
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Good for Baylor. Until we have UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, this is what |
madinmaryland |
Sep-24-11 06:51 PM |
#149 |
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more like "good for bigotry and discrimination" |
dionysus |
Sep-24-11 10:42 PM |
#156 |
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Bigotry --> ABSOLUTELY NOT; discrimination --> maybe, but only |
madinmaryland |
Sep-24-11 11:12 PM |
#158 |
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no this is about people smoking off-duty - outside of work |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-25-11 07:14 AM |
#165 |
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The Law of Unintended Consequences: Lack of cigarette taxes hurts state coffers (note the spelling). |
WinkyDink |
Sep-25-11 06:01 AM |
#163 |
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Health Care? |
JustAnotherGen |
Sep-25-11 07:54 AM |
#167 |
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I think it is okay. People can quit smoking. |
roody |
Sep-25-11 10:49 AM |
#175 |
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