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Major Nikon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:45 AM
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123. That also aligns you with the GOPhers
Obama faces a very different GOP than Clinton did. The GOPhers have painted themselves into a corner by taking the positions of no tax increases whatsoever and all bills being budget neutral. Obama very strategically handed them a bill in which they must either compromise on one or both of those positions or face the wrath of the electorate if they choose obstruction. Assuming Obama can use the bully pulpit effectively, my guess is they will cave on the budget neutral part in favor of no tax increases. Obama then gets a jobs bill with no tax increases and appears to have compromised, when in reality he never did. That's how politics works. That's right out of Clinton's playbook. He understands that better than anyone.
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  -KRUGMAN: "do the wealthy look to you like the victims of class warfare?" kpete  Sep-23-11 08:45 AM   #0 
  - For a couple making 250K in New York City or San Francisco, it may  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 08:54 AM   #1 
  - They can go cry on their nannies and door men. nt  My Good Babushka   Sep-23-11 09:28 AM   #7 
  - Do you really think a couple making 250K in New York have a nanny or a doorman?  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 10:26 AM   #13 
     - Any couple that can't get by on $250K doesn't deserve $250K  Orrex   Sep-23-11 05:49 PM   #21 
     - And I guarantee that a family in central florida has one hell of a smaller  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 06:30 PM   #22 
     - Again, if a couple can't scrape by on $250K, then that couple doesn't deserve $250K  Orrex   Sep-23-11 07:00 PM   #24 
        - SlimJimmy is Not Saying They Can't Scrape by  On the Road   Sep-23-11 07:36 PM   #30 
        - Median income for men in NYC is $37K. Median household income in the richest census tract in the  DrunkenBoat   Sep-23-11 11:48 PM   #63 
           - stop pulling reality into the argument. Commentor thinks everyone is like him/her.  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 02:27 AM   #80 
           - Yes, stop doing that!  Enthusiast   Sep-24-11 03:50 AM   #82 
           - I don't know how people can say things like that with a straight face.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 06:42 AM   #93 
              - It's easier when you're in that 5%  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 06:49 AM   #94 
           - Where is the link for those figures?  October   Sep-24-11 08:37 AM   #96 
           - Here  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 01:11 PM   #102 
           - So they should be taxed more? Are we taxing the middle and upper middle class more now?  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 10:17 PM   #112 
           - Are they *rich*. Are they the millionaires and billionaires of which the  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:17 AM   #127 
        - Waving your hands and running in circles is not a good debating method.  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 09:38 PM   #45 
           - Being totally unaware of what it costs to live is not a good basis for your point.  Jakes Progress   Sep-23-11 10:14 PM   #48 
           - Just a thought, but  whathehell   Sep-24-11 08:01 AM   #95 
           - well, that's true for many people, but  fishwax   Sep-26-11 12:07 AM   #117 
           - If you make $250K in NYC you could move to any NYC suburb  latebloomer   Sep-26-11 07:37 PM   #133 
           - Congratulations, you'vr just bought into the class warfare argument as well. I wonder how  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:22 PM   #107 
           - Well Mr Moneybags, don't forget to tip your doorman  Orrex   Sep-23-11 10:37 PM   #52 
           - You have consistantly missed my point in this thread by a mile.  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:17 PM   #106 
              - He does say so  Major Nikon   Sep-25-11 11:28 PM   #114 
                 - But not a word in any speech. And that is what folks remember. They  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 08:11 AM   #121 
                    - Perhaps for those who read too much into it  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 08:35 AM   #122 
                       - Nothing to read into. He said millionaires and billionaires. That seems pretty f'ing clear to me.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:11 AM   #125 
           - SlimJimmy, how much money a family needs to live can depend on  JDPriestly   Sep-24-11 02:06 AM   #77 
              - I heard the President speak again today. He said "All I'm asking is that  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:12 PM   #105 
                 - What do you think the income level of a millionaire is?  Major Nikon   Sep-25-11 11:48 PM   #115 
                    - Please, show me a millionaire or billionaire (even better) making 250k a year.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:14 AM   #126 
                       - No problem  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 02:47 PM   #128 
                          - 130,000 annual income, my ass. And this is just one example.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 07:02 PM   #131 
                             - Wow! You refute extensive research by a best selling Ph.D with what you just pulled out of your ass  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 09:12 PM   #135 
                                - The millionaitres and billionaires that the President is referring to  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 09:39 PM   #136 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-11 10:03 PM   #138 
                                      - I just did. (nt)  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:10 PM   #139 
     - +1  SmileyRose   Sep-23-11 07:31 PM   #28 
     - That is what the doorman makes  julian09   Sep-23-11 10:09 PM   #47 
        - you really think so?  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 04:05 AM   #86 
  - If they are a qualified Sanctified Straight 'couple' making 250K  Bluenorthwest   Sep-23-11 09:47 AM   #8 
  - I don't think anyone making under a million dollars needs to be paying more in taxes during this  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 10:25 AM   #12 
  - Gee. That's what billo says too.  Jakes Progress   Sep-23-11 10:15 PM   #49 
  - Mmmmm yourself. I have a mind and an opinion all my own. If you want  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:24 PM   #108 
  - You need a reality check, I do believe.  keopeli   Sep-23-11 10:38 PM   #53 
  - Especially if their wealth comes from their investments  Lorien   Sep-24-11 12:20 AM   #65 
  - The reality is that the President plans to raise taxes on a signifcant number of folks who are not  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 10:28 PM   #113 
  - what does the economy have to do with it?  hfojvt   Sep-23-11 10:46 PM   #54 
  - Setting it at $250k is more progressive.  Admiral Loinpresser   Sep-24-11 12:25 AM   #67 
  - under a million? seriously? what % of people make over a million a year? 5? 7?  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 04:08 AM   #87 
  - That's the part that all the repugs try to blow smoke over.  gtar100   Sep-23-11 07:28 PM   #25 
  - They aren't the problem. It's the multimillionaires and billionaires  JHB   Sep-23-11 09:56 AM   #9 
  - The problem, as I see it, is that President Obama's plan includes a tax increase for couples  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 10:20 AM   #11 
  - A couple making $250G's a year SHOULD be a millionaire  SmileyRose   Sep-23-11 07:37 PM   #31 
  - How much would taxes go up for a couple making $250K?  subterranean   Sep-24-11 01:19 AM   #73 
     - Most likely zero  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 02:31 AM   #118 
  - That's my view as well. Although I would be more in favor of a flat tax with persons below a  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 02:19 PM   #17 
  - We need progressive taxation -- no flat tax -- earn more, pay more ... no taxes on poor ... !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-23-11 07:53 PM   #38 
  - The only thing more regressive than a flat tax is our current system where  Admiral Loinpresser   Sep-24-11 12:28 AM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-11 03:56 AM   #84 
  - $250K is within the top 20%. 80% of the populace earns less.  Doremus   Sep-23-11 06:55 PM   #23 
  - Not accurate  phiddle   Sep-23-11 08:24 PM   #42 
  - Only 1,5% of the population earn more than $250,000, not 20 %  happyslug   Sep-23-11 08:40 PM   #43 
     - I was going to say... I don't know anyone making that. Not even the GM of my station.  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 02:29 AM   #81 
  - They are the problem. The problem is that over 50% of the population seem to think that...  JVS   Sep-23-11 11:38 PM   #61 
  - boo hoo. They can live in Washington Heights or the Lower East Side.  provis99   Sep-23-11 07:34 PM   #29 
  - Maybe they should learn to fucking commute.  JVS   Sep-23-11 08:03 PM   #40 
  - They do -- which costs literally thousands in tolls per year...  October   Sep-24-11 08:40 AM   #97 
  - it may feel like it, but it's not  fishwax   Sep-23-11 10:36 PM   #51 
  - You have no idea what class warfare is  Taft_Bathtub   Sep-23-11 11:01 PM   #55 
  - So you are pissed off at the mid-level executive that makes 250k and didn't get sick? That  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 09:42 PM   #137 
  - Rent $10,000 a month? = $120,000 /year  ErikJ   Sep-23-11 11:06 PM   #56 
  - Interesting math. So you think they NET $250K?  October   Sep-24-11 08:41 AM   #98 
  - Jesus christ, that's your first thought about this?  enki23   Sep-23-11 11:23 PM   #58 
  - "Jesus christ, that's your first thought about this?"  Enthusiast   Sep-24-11 04:04 AM   #85 
  - I had to check...Oh, yeah it's a thread about a Krugman column.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-24-11 09:05 AM   #101 
  - Everyone struggles. We all have stories.Only the top 1% doesn't, at least not money struggle stories  October   Sep-24-11 08:44 AM   #99 
  - I Live in NYC, and I've Lived in SF. 98% of the Entire Population Lives On Far Less than $250K  Yavin4   Sep-23-11 11:27 PM   #59 
  - Oh, please. Median income in NYC = $37K for men, $32K for women.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-23-11 11:43 PM   #62 
  - You might want to add Seattle to that list. This is very true. Everything  juajen   Sep-24-11 12:24 AM   #66 
  - Seattle? Baloney. Median family income is $62K. Median male income = $40K.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 06:33 AM   #92 
  - That's a tired strawman at best.....................  NWLib   Sep-24-11 12:57 AM   #70 
  - There are two ways of thinking about wealth.  JDPriestly   Sep-24-11 02:24 AM   #79 
     - Nobody has to live in Manhattan  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 03:08 AM   #119 
  - They needn't worry. Obama hasn't proposed raising that couple's taxes by one dime.  subterranean   Sep-24-11 01:03 AM   #72 
  - If they'd learn how to manage their money reasonably well, it would not feel  Zorra   Sep-24-11 01:29 AM   #74 
  - whitewhine?  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 02:19 AM   #78 
  - I was going to add your name to 'the list'.  Enthusiast   Sep-24-11 04:12 AM   #88 
  - Median income for men in NYC = $37K.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 06:28 AM   #90 
  - Can't... rec... more... than... once...  krispos42   Sep-23-11 08:55 AM   #2 
  - It is a redistribution of wealth  Drale   Sep-23-11 08:59 AM   #3 
     - No, only socialists do that!  krispos42   Sep-23-11 09:02 AM   #4 
        - We'll just call it *reverse socialism* then. That has a nice ring to it.  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 09:03 AM   #5 
           - Aha! "Anti-socialism".  krispos42   Sep-23-11 10:12 AM   #10 
           - Asocialism  JVS   Sep-23-11 11:31 PM   #60 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-11 05:25 AM   #89 
              - The going rate according to one source I read is 25 cents a post...  MedicalAdmin   Sep-24-11 06:28 AM   #91 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Sep-23-11 09:26 AM   #6 
  - Recommend  angel823   Sep-23-11 10:36 AM   #14 
  - Amazing  Johnny2X2X   Sep-23-11 10:37 AM   #15 
  - yeah, some of the teabaggers think being fair  newspeak   Sep-24-11 02:07 PM   #103 
  - Who is sharing the sacrifice? Who is cutting back? Not the wealthy. K&R.  ck4829   Sep-23-11 02:07 PM   #16 
  - "Shared Sacrifice" = "I take YOUR 'Share' . . . YOU 'Sacrifice'!"  HughBeaumont   Sep-23-11 02:31 PM   #18 
  - k/r  fishwax   Sep-23-11 03:08 PM   #19 
  - K$R lol, class warfare against the rich now that's rich.  louslobbs   Sep-23-11 04:01 PM   #20 
  - ** dupe **  DaveJ   Sep-23-11 07:30 PM   #26 
  - It's really a weird campaign  DaveJ   Sep-23-11 07:30 PM   #27 
  - We got uppity - we are being punished.  SmileyRose   Sep-23-11 07:40 PM   #33 
  - The yardstick of logic can't measure the volume of ignorance  Cresent City Kid   Sep-23-11 08:13 PM   #41 
  - Krugman sums it up succinctly, as usual. K&R n/t  Martin Eden   Sep-23-11 07:40 PM   #32 
  - LOL  avaistheone1   Sep-23-11 07:41 PM   #34 
  - I can barely force my eyes to read this truth. Bastards!  lonestarnot   Sep-23-11 07:49 PM   #35 
  - Wealthy look like what they are ... beneficiaries of government subsidies, largess ... !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-23-11 07:51 PM   #36 
  - Krugman - sometimes I love him, sometimes I don't. Right now,  johnaries   Sep-23-11 07:52 PM   #37 
  - Who are the beneficiaries of our MIC/Imperialism ... warprofiteering --- ?????  defendandprotect   Sep-23-11 07:58 PM   #39 
  - Actually yes because they're winning. Wars usually have two sides.  Initech   Sep-23-11 09:03 PM   #44 
  - Adopt a Job Creator  Mrs. Ted Nancy   Sep-23-11 09:51 PM   #46 
  - K&R for solid thinking.  Jakes Progress   Sep-23-11 10:17 PM   #50 
  - Now that you mention it......  DeSwiss   Sep-23-11 11:22 PM   #57 
  - Reading the first half of this thread ...  1StrongBlackMan   Sep-24-11 12:19 AM   #64 
  - Very True, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-24-11 12:26 AM   #68 
  - And the pitiful part is ...  1StrongBlackMan   Sep-24-11 01:03 AM   #71 
     - It Is A Symptom Of A Larger Confusion, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-24-11 01:41 AM   #76 
        - Well stated ...  1StrongBlackMan   Sep-25-11 12:17 PM   #104 
  - ! Excellent.  October   Sep-24-11 08:47 AM   #100 
  - Yeah, no shit  upi402   Sep-24-11 01:39 AM   #75 
  - for the 250k people who are stretched  DonCoquixote   Sep-24-11 03:55 AM   #83 
     - But but but, I've been told repeatedly in this thread that 250k *is* rich, and that  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:26 PM   #109 
        - It is very comfortable and a family can thrive on it just fine.  TheKentuckian   Sep-25-11 07:35 PM   #110 
           - Then the President should say *tax* them more . Why doesn't he? Why does  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 10:14 PM   #111 
              - Wow! Wingnut talking points repeated here on DU  Major Nikon   Sep-25-11 11:52 PM   #116 
              - I guess you consider President Clinton a wingnut then. He has called for a stop to  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 07:12 AM   #120 
                 - That also aligns you with the GOPhers  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 08:45 AM   #123 
                    - Bullshit. Clinton wasn't handed a bed of roses either, and he did a great job. I'd  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:09 AM   #124 
                       - You're barking up the wrong tree  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 06:20 PM   #129 
                          - That's too bad. He was a better President than this one will ever be. I miss him.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 06:54 PM   #130 
              - Maybe but don't count on it too much because I'd sunset the entire Bush/Obama cuts  TheKentuckian   Sep-26-11 07:34 PM   #132 
                 - The sunset of the Bush/Obama cuts would cost the average family of four several thousand dollars a  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 08:27 PM   #134 
 

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