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80. stop pulling reality into the argument. Commentor thinks everyone is like him/her.
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  -KRUGMAN: "do the wealthy look to you like the victims of class warfare?" kpete  Sep-23-11 08:45 AM   #0 
  - For a couple making 250K in New York City or San Francisco, it may  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 08:54 AM   #1 
  - They can go cry on their nannies and door men. nt  My Good Babushka   Sep-23-11 09:28 AM   #7 
  - Do you really think a couple making 250K in New York have a nanny or a doorman?  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 10:26 AM   #13 
     - Any couple that can't get by on $250K doesn't deserve $250K  Orrex   Sep-23-11 05:49 PM   #21 
     - And I guarantee that a family in central florida has one hell of a smaller  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 06:30 PM   #22 
     - Again, if a couple can't scrape by on $250K, then that couple doesn't deserve $250K  Orrex   Sep-23-11 07:00 PM   #24 
        - SlimJimmy is Not Saying They Can't Scrape by  On the Road   Sep-23-11 07:36 PM   #30 
        - Median income for men in NYC is $37K. Median household income in the richest census tract in the  DrunkenBoat   Sep-23-11 11:48 PM   #63 
           - stop pulling reality into the argument. Commentor thinks everyone is like him/her.  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 02:27 AM   #80 
           - Yes, stop doing that!  Enthusiast   Sep-24-11 03:50 AM   #82 
           - I don't know how people can say things like that with a straight face.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 06:42 AM   #93 
              - It's easier when you're in that 5%  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 06:49 AM   #94 
           - Where is the link for those figures?  October   Sep-24-11 08:37 AM   #96 
           - Here  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 01:11 PM   #102 
           - So they should be taxed more? Are we taxing the middle and upper middle class more now?  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 10:17 PM   #112 
           - Are they *rich*. Are they the millionaires and billionaires of which the  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:17 AM   #127 
        - Waving your hands and running in circles is not a good debating method.  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 09:38 PM   #45 
           - Being totally unaware of what it costs to live is not a good basis for your point.  Jakes Progress   Sep-23-11 10:14 PM   #48 
           - Just a thought, but  whathehell   Sep-24-11 08:01 AM   #95 
           - well, that's true for many people, but  fishwax   Sep-26-11 12:07 AM   #117 
           - If you make $250K in NYC you could move to any NYC suburb  latebloomer   Sep-26-11 07:37 PM   #133 
           - Congratulations, you'vr just bought into the class warfare argument as well. I wonder how  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:22 PM   #107 
           - Well Mr Moneybags, don't forget to tip your doorman  Orrex   Sep-23-11 10:37 PM   #52 
           - You have consistantly missed my point in this thread by a mile.  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:17 PM   #106 
              - He does say so  Major Nikon   Sep-25-11 11:28 PM   #114 
                 - But not a word in any speech. And that is what folks remember. They  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 08:11 AM   #121 
                    - Perhaps for those who read too much into it  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 08:35 AM   #122 
                       - Nothing to read into. He said millionaires and billionaires. That seems pretty f'ing clear to me.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:11 AM   #125 
           - SlimJimmy, how much money a family needs to live can depend on  JDPriestly   Sep-24-11 02:06 AM   #77 
              - I heard the President speak again today. He said "All I'm asking is that  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:12 PM   #105 
                 - What do you think the income level of a millionaire is?  Major Nikon   Sep-25-11 11:48 PM   #115 
                    - Please, show me a millionaire or billionaire (even better) making 250k a year.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:14 AM   #126 
                       - No problem  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 02:47 PM   #128 
                          - 130,000 annual income, my ass. And this is just one example.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 07:02 PM   #131 
                             - Wow! You refute extensive research by a best selling Ph.D with what you just pulled out of your ass  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 09:12 PM   #135 
                                - The millionaitres and billionaires that the President is referring to  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 09:39 PM   #136 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-11 10:03 PM   #138 
                                      - I just did. (nt)  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:10 PM   #139 
     - +1  SmileyRose   Sep-23-11 07:31 PM   #28 
     - That is what the doorman makes  julian09   Sep-23-11 10:09 PM   #47 
        - you really think so?  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 04:05 AM   #86 
  - If they are a qualified Sanctified Straight 'couple' making 250K  Bluenorthwest   Sep-23-11 09:47 AM   #8 
  - I don't think anyone making under a million dollars needs to be paying more in taxes during this  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 10:25 AM   #12 
  - Gee. That's what billo says too.  Jakes Progress   Sep-23-11 10:15 PM   #49 
  - Mmmmm yourself. I have a mind and an opinion all my own. If you want  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:24 PM   #108 
  - You need a reality check, I do believe.  keopeli   Sep-23-11 10:38 PM   #53 
  - Especially if their wealth comes from their investments  Lorien   Sep-24-11 12:20 AM   #65 
  - The reality is that the President plans to raise taxes on a signifcant number of folks who are not  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 10:28 PM   #113 
  - what does the economy have to do with it?  hfojvt   Sep-23-11 10:46 PM   #54 
  - Setting it at $250k is more progressive.  Admiral Loinpresser   Sep-24-11 12:25 AM   #67 
  - under a million? seriously? what % of people make over a million a year? 5? 7?  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 04:08 AM   #87 
  - That's the part that all the repugs try to blow smoke over.  gtar100   Sep-23-11 07:28 PM   #25 
  - They aren't the problem. It's the multimillionaires and billionaires  JHB   Sep-23-11 09:56 AM   #9 
  - The problem, as I see it, is that President Obama's plan includes a tax increase for couples  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 10:20 AM   #11 
  - A couple making $250G's a year SHOULD be a millionaire  SmileyRose   Sep-23-11 07:37 PM   #31 
  - How much would taxes go up for a couple making $250K?  subterranean   Sep-24-11 01:19 AM   #73 
     - Most likely zero  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 02:31 AM   #118 
  - That's my view as well. Although I would be more in favor of a flat tax with persons below a  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 02:19 PM   #17 
  - We need progressive taxation -- no flat tax -- earn more, pay more ... no taxes on poor ... !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-23-11 07:53 PM   #38 
  - The only thing more regressive than a flat tax is our current system where  Admiral Loinpresser   Sep-24-11 12:28 AM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-11 03:56 AM   #84 
  - $250K is within the top 20%. 80% of the populace earns less.  Doremus   Sep-23-11 06:55 PM   #23 
  - Not accurate  phiddle   Sep-23-11 08:24 PM   #42 
  - Only 1,5% of the population earn more than $250,000, not 20 %  happyslug   Sep-23-11 08:40 PM   #43 
     - I was going to say... I don't know anyone making that. Not even the GM of my station.  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 02:29 AM   #81 
  - They are the problem. The problem is that over 50% of the population seem to think that...  JVS   Sep-23-11 11:38 PM   #61 
  - boo hoo. They can live in Washington Heights or the Lower East Side.  provis99   Sep-23-11 07:34 PM   #29 
  - Maybe they should learn to fucking commute.  JVS   Sep-23-11 08:03 PM   #40 
  - They do -- which costs literally thousands in tolls per year...  October   Sep-24-11 08:40 AM   #97 
  - it may feel like it, but it's not  fishwax   Sep-23-11 10:36 PM   #51 
  - You have no idea what class warfare is  Taft_Bathtub   Sep-23-11 11:01 PM   #55 
  - So you are pissed off at the mid-level executive that makes 250k and didn't get sick? That  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 09:42 PM   #137 
  - Rent $10,000 a month? = $120,000 /year  ErikJ   Sep-23-11 11:06 PM   #56 
  - Interesting math. So you think they NET $250K?  October   Sep-24-11 08:41 AM   #98 
  - Jesus christ, that's your first thought about this?  enki23   Sep-23-11 11:23 PM   #58 
  - "Jesus christ, that's your first thought about this?"  Enthusiast   Sep-24-11 04:04 AM   #85 
  - I had to check...Oh, yeah it's a thread about a Krugman column.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-24-11 09:05 AM   #101 
  - Everyone struggles. We all have stories.Only the top 1% doesn't, at least not money struggle stories  October   Sep-24-11 08:44 AM   #99 
  - I Live in NYC, and I've Lived in SF. 98% of the Entire Population Lives On Far Less than $250K  Yavin4   Sep-23-11 11:27 PM   #59 
  - Oh, please. Median income in NYC = $37K for men, $32K for women.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-23-11 11:43 PM   #62 
  - You might want to add Seattle to that list. This is very true. Everything  juajen   Sep-24-11 12:24 AM   #66 
  - Seattle? Baloney. Median family income is $62K. Median male income = $40K.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 06:33 AM   #92 
  - That's a tired strawman at best.....................  NWLib   Sep-24-11 12:57 AM   #70 
  - There are two ways of thinking about wealth.  JDPriestly   Sep-24-11 02:24 AM   #79 
     - Nobody has to live in Manhattan  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 03:08 AM   #119 
  - They needn't worry. Obama hasn't proposed raising that couple's taxes by one dime.  subterranean   Sep-24-11 01:03 AM   #72 
  - If they'd learn how to manage their money reasonably well, it would not feel  Zorra   Sep-24-11 01:29 AM   #74 
  - whitewhine?  Tunkamerica   Sep-24-11 02:19 AM   #78 
  - I was going to add your name to 'the list'.  Enthusiast   Sep-24-11 04:12 AM   #88 
  - Median income for men in NYC = $37K.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-24-11 06:28 AM   #90 
  - Can't... rec... more... than... once...  krispos42   Sep-23-11 08:55 AM   #2 
  - It is a redistribution of wealth  Drale   Sep-23-11 08:59 AM   #3 
     - No, only socialists do that!  krispos42   Sep-23-11 09:02 AM   #4 
        - We'll just call it *reverse socialism* then. That has a nice ring to it.  SlimJimmy   Sep-23-11 09:03 AM   #5 
           - Aha! "Anti-socialism".  krispos42   Sep-23-11 10:12 AM   #10 
           - Asocialism  JVS   Sep-23-11 11:31 PM   #60 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-11 05:25 AM   #89 
              - The going rate according to one source I read is 25 cents a post...  MedicalAdmin   Sep-24-11 06:28 AM   #91 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Sep-23-11 09:26 AM   #6 
  - Recommend  angel823   Sep-23-11 10:36 AM   #14 
  - Amazing  Johnny2X2X   Sep-23-11 10:37 AM   #15 
  - yeah, some of the teabaggers think being fair  newspeak   Sep-24-11 02:07 PM   #103 
  - Who is sharing the sacrifice? Who is cutting back? Not the wealthy. K&R.  ck4829   Sep-23-11 02:07 PM   #16 
  - "Shared Sacrifice" = "I take YOUR 'Share' . . . YOU 'Sacrifice'!"  HughBeaumont   Sep-23-11 02:31 PM   #18 
  - k/r  fishwax   Sep-23-11 03:08 PM   #19 
  - K$R lol, class warfare against the rich now that's rich.  louslobbs   Sep-23-11 04:01 PM   #20 
  - ** dupe **  DaveJ   Sep-23-11 07:30 PM   #26 
  - It's really a weird campaign  DaveJ   Sep-23-11 07:30 PM   #27 
  - We got uppity - we are being punished.  SmileyRose   Sep-23-11 07:40 PM   #33 
  - The yardstick of logic can't measure the volume of ignorance  Cresent City Kid   Sep-23-11 08:13 PM   #41 
  - Krugman sums it up succinctly, as usual. K&R n/t  Martin Eden   Sep-23-11 07:40 PM   #32 
  - LOL  avaistheone1   Sep-23-11 07:41 PM   #34 
  - I can barely force my eyes to read this truth. Bastards!  lonestarnot   Sep-23-11 07:49 PM   #35 
  - Wealthy look like what they are ... beneficiaries of government subsidies, largess ... !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-23-11 07:51 PM   #36 
  - Krugman - sometimes I love him, sometimes I don't. Right now,  johnaries   Sep-23-11 07:52 PM   #37 
  - Who are the beneficiaries of our MIC/Imperialism ... warprofiteering --- ?????  defendandprotect   Sep-23-11 07:58 PM   #39 
  - Actually yes because they're winning. Wars usually have two sides.  Initech   Sep-23-11 09:03 PM   #44 
  - Adopt a Job Creator  Mrs. Ted Nancy   Sep-23-11 09:51 PM   #46 
  - K&R for solid thinking.  Jakes Progress   Sep-23-11 10:17 PM   #50 
  - Now that you mention it......  DeSwiss   Sep-23-11 11:22 PM   #57 
  - Reading the first half of this thread ...  1StrongBlackMan   Sep-24-11 12:19 AM   #64 
  - Very True, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-24-11 12:26 AM   #68 
  - And the pitiful part is ...  1StrongBlackMan   Sep-24-11 01:03 AM   #71 
     - It Is A Symptom Of A Larger Confusion, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-24-11 01:41 AM   #76 
        - Well stated ...  1StrongBlackMan   Sep-25-11 12:17 PM   #104 
  - ! Excellent.  October   Sep-24-11 08:47 AM   #100 
  - Yeah, no shit  upi402   Sep-24-11 01:39 AM   #75 
  - for the 250k people who are stretched  DonCoquixote   Sep-24-11 03:55 AM   #83 
     - But but but, I've been told repeatedly in this thread that 250k *is* rich, and that  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 06:26 PM   #109 
        - It is very comfortable and a family can thrive on it just fine.  TheKentuckian   Sep-25-11 07:35 PM   #110 
           - Then the President should say *tax* them more . Why doesn't he? Why does  SlimJimmy   Sep-25-11 10:14 PM   #111 
              - Wow! Wingnut talking points repeated here on DU  Major Nikon   Sep-25-11 11:52 PM   #116 
              - I guess you consider President Clinton a wingnut then. He has called for a stop to  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 07:12 AM   #120 
                 - That also aligns you with the GOPhers  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 08:45 AM   #123 
                    - Bullshit. Clinton wasn't handed a bed of roses either, and he did a great job. I'd  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 10:09 AM   #124 
                       - You're barking up the wrong tree  Major Nikon   Sep-26-11 06:20 PM   #129 
                          - That's too bad. He was a better President than this one will ever be. I miss him.  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 06:54 PM   #130 
              - Maybe but don't count on it too much because I'd sunset the entire Bush/Obama cuts  TheKentuckian   Sep-26-11 07:34 PM   #132 
                 - The sunset of the Bush/Obama cuts would cost the average family of four several thousand dollars a  SlimJimmy   Sep-26-11 08:27 PM   #134 

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