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thucythucy Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 02:14 PM
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58. If you are a person with a disability
this is an especially important lesson to learn and remember. Robert Perske is a retired minister who specializes in cases where people with disabilities, especially those identified as "mentally ill" or "mentally retarded" are framed for crimes they couldn't possibly commit, because they're duped or coerced into making a "confession" without an attorney present.

Perske and the people he works with just recently won a posthumous pardon from the state of Colorado for Joe Arridy, who was executed for a crime he didn't commit. Richard LaPointe has spent years in prison in Connecticut for a crime he didn't commit, all because he "confessed." LaPointe assumed the police were his "buddies" and like many people with developmental disabilities he'd been trained to be compliant to authority figures. So when they told him to confess, he did. When they told him to sign on the dotted line, he signed. He'll probably spend the rest of his life in prison because of that (the prosecutor had asked for the death penalty).

You can check out the details of that case by going to .

So yes, the OP is spot on. Never ever ever talk to the cops if you are a suspect or think you are a suspect of a crime, until your attorney arrives on the scene.

As Lenny Bruce once famously said, "In the Halls of Justice, the only justice is in the halls."
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  -NEVER EVER allow yourself to be interrogated by police without an attorney mnhtnbb  Sep-22-11 09:50 AM   #0 
  - "Shut the fuck up!" as Chris Rock always says when stopped by the police.  Swede   Sep-22-11 09:52 AM   #1 
  - Even yes sir/no sir can be too much if you're under arrest or any kind of suspicion.  TroglodyteScholar   Sep-22-11 12:29 PM   #29 
  - If not  Old Codger   Sep-22-11 03:20 PM   #66 
  - A friend of mine and I were driving in a city we were visiting.  MedicalAdmin   Sep-22-11 06:37 PM   #75 
  - Forget the "sir" crap  RoccoR5955   Sep-22-11 02:50 PM   #63 
  - They have guns. And an attitude. A little extra care would be prudent. n/t  MrModerate   Sep-22-11 10:58 PM   #92 
  - I had a friend who was an attorney and went to jail  SCantiGOP   Sep-22-11 03:37 PM   #70 
  - I have a lawyer friend I served in the military with ...  Yon_Yonson   Sep-22-11 10:59 PM   #93 
  - If you ever watch The First 48 on A&E it is clear...  qanda   Sep-22-11 09:56 AM   #2 
  - +1 All you need to do is watch Frist 48 and you will know  Bonhomme Richard   Sep-22-11 11:06 AM   #21 
     - LOL, I was racing in here to post about 48 Hours...  exelwood   Sep-22-11 12:48 PM   #33 
  - Know your rights.  enough   Sep-22-11 09:58 AM   #3 
  - This is partly why rich people get better outcomes when they're in trouble--  TwilightGardener   Sep-22-11 10:00 AM   #4 
  - Unfortunately, never be interrogated without an attorney is the  OHdem10   Sep-22-11 10:00 AM   #5 
  - Someone on DU once posted a video made by a criminal defense Attorney  truedelphi   Sep-22-11 02:55 PM   #64 
     - yes, I watched that-- it was excellent  spooked911   Sep-22-11 08:45 PM   #84 
     - good videos here:  Sirveri   Sep-23-11 12:58 AM   #98 
  - When the cops busted down my door at midnite, after nailing them and a judge on corruption  WingDinger   Sep-22-11 10:01 AM   #6 
  - I think roid rage is often implicated in the police  tblue37   Sep-22-11 11:05 PM   #94 
     - Roid rage is mostly bullshit  Drahthaardogs   Sep-24-11 02:55 PM   #115 
  - I don't care what you're threatened with when you're with police.  no_hypocrisy   Sep-22-11 10:08 AM   #7 
  - Bullcrap, simple enough to rig up a phonecall saying you are beating a woman for instance.  WingDinger   Sep-22-11 10:25 AM   #18 
  - i walked on 12 years of charges for cannabis possession due to  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 12:56 PM   #36 
  - Also NEVER allow the cop to step inside to talk.  Fuddnik   Sep-22-11 01:13 PM   #47 
     - exactly, step outside and close the door behind you  notadmblnd   Sep-22-11 03:22 PM   #68 
        - Small correction.  MedicalAdmin   Sep-22-11 06:40 PM   #77 
  - This is good advice.  tropicanarose   Sep-22-11 01:42 PM   #52 
  - Watch this video  TlalocW   Sep-22-11 10:08 AM   #8 
  - I was looking for that link. You beat me to it.  Xithras   Sep-22-11 10:16 AM   #14 
  - Should be watched as much as the Wizard of Oz  Jim_Shorts   Sep-22-11 05:31 PM   #73 
  - I was going to post this...  YellowRubberDuckie   Sep-22-11 06:51 PM   #78 
  - That's a good one but I like this better...  wundermaus   Sep-22-11 08:18 PM   #83 
  - Thanks for the link!  FailureToCommunicate   Sep-23-11 09:57 AM   #110 
  - That video is a classic and, yes, should be watched by EVERYONE  Frank Cannon   Sep-23-11 06:29 AM   #105 
  - "Am I underr arrest, and if I am I want my attorney present before answering any questions."  Ikonoklast   Sep-22-11 10:09 AM   #9 
  - you are under no obligation to speak with them at all  MrsBrady   Sep-22-11 10:10 AM   #10 
  - Read John Grisham's "The Confession."  Atman   Sep-22-11 10:11 AM   #11 
  - All true. Which is why I never understand why they get sympathy.  Dawson Leery   Sep-23-11 01:05 AM   #99 
  - My sister almost married a cop  Atman   Sep-23-11 07:30 AM   #107 
     - She almost made a horrible mistake.  Dawson Leery   Sep-24-11 02:21 PM   #113 
  - They can lie to you, but face discipline if they lie to your lawyer.  tclambert   Sep-23-11 06:08 AM   #104 
  - I hope that they turn his experience into a movie so we can all learn from it.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-22-11 10:15 AM   #12 
  - Again, read "The Confession."  Atman   Sep-22-11 10:17 AM   #17 
     - I hope they get that point across.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-22-11 01:44 PM   #53 
  - The problem with piping down is that they start thinking you're guilty and they press you even harde  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-22-11 10:16 AM   #13 
  - I think sometimes being persuasive can help you more than clamming up.  Stumbler   Sep-22-11 06:55 PM   #79 
     - Similar formula here except I'd use a gallon rather than an ounce.  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-23-11 11:19 AM   #111 
  - Especially if you have stumbled into a barbaric, tribal nation where kidnapping is a way of life  slackmaster   Sep-22-11 10:16 AM   #15 
  - Thanks for the reminder...and thanks to the person that linked to the youtube down thread...  truebrit71   Sep-22-11 10:17 AM   #16 
  - You should never talk to someone arresting you except to ask what the charges are  Lint Head   Sep-22-11 10:26 AM   #19 
  - Name, rank and serial number  hobbit709   Sep-22-11 10:27 AM   #20 
  - Additional tips  RandySF   Sep-22-11 11:19 AM   #22 
  - #3 varies by state.  Xithras   Sep-22-11 11:41 AM   #23 
  - PD there to help you, i.e., calling 911--yes, but that's NOT  mnhtnbb   Sep-22-11 01:00 PM   #37 
  - Don't Talk to Police  SixthSense   Sep-22-11 11:42 AM   #24 
  - I was about to post the same vid  WhoIsNumberNone   Sep-22-11 11:49 AM   #25 
  - K&R  dajoki   Sep-22-11 11:50 AM   #26 
  - Yep. Too much prosecutorial misconduct goes on, that's for sure.  closeupready   Sep-22-11 11:57 AM   #27 
  - If you're actually innocent, then I agree.  Abin Sur   Sep-22-11 12:13 PM   #28 
  - no, when you are gulity it is even more important to not talk  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 01:02 PM   #39 
     - I think you mistake my meaning  Abin Sur   Sep-22-11 01:32 PM   #50 
        - the vast majority of all crimes are victimless  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 01:40 PM   #51 
           - Fair point, and I amend my remarks  Abin Sur   Sep-22-11 01:56 PM   #55 
              - i can agree to that to a point  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 02:03 PM   #56 
                 - If they're like Bonnie and Clyde I certainly hope that they talk  Abin Sur   Sep-22-11 02:27 PM   #60 
                    - ah well then they ought to have talked too  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 02:31 PM   #61 
  - Even in more innocuous situations  SheilaT   Sep-22-11 12:34 PM   #30 
  - 1. Don't Talk to the Police  KG   Sep-22-11 12:38 PM   #31 
  - omg. So sad.  librechik   Sep-22-11 12:48 PM   #32 
  - great advice  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 12:52 PM   #34 
  - Attorney!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-22-11 12:55 PM   #35 
  - Good advice, not only for situations like this but  Cleita   Sep-22-11 01:01 PM   #38 
  - Or if you do talk, be very careful what you say  quinnox   Sep-22-11 01:03 PM   #40 
  - Do not talk to the police. Period.  truebrit71   Sep-22-11 01:09 PM   #44 
  - "Sometimes you might have to talk a little."  wildbilln864   Sep-22-11 09:10 PM   #86 
  - Aside from identifying yourself - nothing.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-23-11 06:44 AM   #106 
  - "Am I under arrest or am I free to go?"  duhneece   Sep-22-11 01:08 PM   #41 
  - I can't even tell you the number of times I had a case that could have been thrown out  WolverineDG   Sep-22-11 01:08 PM   #42 
  - Exactly. You give them name, you license, and ask to speak to an attorney  Taverner   Sep-22-11 01:09 PM   #43 
  - There is a video available on how to deal with the police.  JDPriestly   Sep-22-11 01:12 PM   #45 
  - Things I learned being married to a cop  safeinOhio   Sep-22-11 01:12 PM   #46 
  - Thank you for confirmation.  Dawson Leery   Sep-23-11 01:10 AM   #100 
  - NEVER trust a cop. Never. And I used to be one. n-t  Logical   Sep-22-11 01:18 PM   #48 
  - I saved this discussion from DU on 9-21-09 very good advice....  a kennedy   Sep-22-11 01:21 PM   #49 
  - kicking n/t  Hotler   Sep-22-11 06:37 PM   #76 
  - Completely agree, ...  aggiesal   Sep-22-11 01:45 PM   #54 
  - I've always said that: Say NOTHING and call your attorney or  katty   Sep-22-11 02:09 PM   #57 
  - Phone numbers for  BetsysGhost   Sep-23-11 08:29 AM   #108 
  - If you are a person with a disability  thucythucy   Sep-22-11 02:14 PM   #58 
  - Even when the attorney shows up say as little as possible.  obxhead   Sep-22-11 02:19 PM   #59 
  - Gestapo  blkmusclmachine   Sep-22-11 02:48 PM   #62 
  - Not only  catrose   Sep-22-11 02:55 PM   #65 
  - The tough part is when you think you are being asked to help and dont think  rhett o rick   Sep-22-11 03:20 PM   #67 
  - Another piece of advice that my mother, the daughter of an attorney, gave me:  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-22-11 03:24 PM   #69 
  - DAVIS HAD AN ATTY WITH HIM when he went to PD. He was not...  Honeycombe8   Sep-22-11 05:02 PM   #71 
  - wow--I hadn't heard that little detail. At the very least, that would be grounds to take the death  yurbud   Sep-22-11 05:04 PM   #72 
  - "I'd rather that you didn't" That's my favorite answer  cheapdate   Sep-22-11 06:19 PM   #74 
  - "You may not search my vehicle" is just as non-confrontational and much less ambiguous. n/t  Occulus   Sep-22-11 09:31 PM   #89 
  - I guess I was lucky when I got pulled over  Politicalboi   Sep-22-11 07:14 PM   #80 
  - I don't know if that would have helped us in my husband's case  Nikia   Sep-22-11 07:45 PM   #81 
  - Name, rank, serial number.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-22-11 07:56 PM   #82 
  - Had a guy that would have been a warden in the California  brewens   Sep-22-11 08:49 PM   #85 
  - Cops are nothing more than legal Nazis.  1620rock   Sep-22-11 09:25 PM   #87 
     - STRONGLY disagree  shireen   Sep-23-11 01:23 AM   #101 
        - If you have any trouble who is the first person you are going to call?  udbcrzy2   Sep-23-11 03:41 AM   #103 
  - Agreed!  Hoosier Daddy   Sep-22-11 09:26 PM   #88 
  - You can talk!  lonestarnot   Sep-22-11 09:34 PM   #90 
  - But if you're innocent then you've got nothing to hid, right?  Deep13   Sep-22-11 10:12 PM   #91 
  - Don't do it WITH an attorney either  Cronus Protagonist   Sep-22-11 11:31 PM   #95 
  - So true, especially in today's climate with law enforcement!  akbacchus_BC   Sep-22-11 11:34 PM   #96 
  - you should even avoid talking to a cop, even if you called 911.  provis99   Sep-23-11 12:17 AM   #97 
  - I'd say stay out of Georgia or you could be next - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Sep-23-11 02:03 AM   #102 
  - You have to be absolutely unequivocal in requesting counsel.  Deep13   Sep-23-11 08:51 AM   #109 
  - What happened to Troy Davis was terrible  davidthegnome   Sep-23-11 01:06 PM   #112 
     - Regardless of your personal situation, most of us still view cops with suspicion.  Dawson Leery   Sep-24-11 02:25 PM   #114 

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