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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:17 PM
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82. When I was working at dell
I was making $14.02 an hour. I bought health insurance for 11 of the 12 years that I worked at Dell. It was great being able to pay $10 for a doctor's office visit. I was in my early 20's with near perfect health, but I knew that anything could happen and I knew that not buying it when I could afford it was stupid.
But I was laid off in 2008 and I hsven't had insurance since then because it is too expensive. Buying it now for my wife and I would take over 50% or more of my paycheck. I had to get a second job just to pay rent, so that wasn't going to happen. I'm now very careful with my daily activities, and I am very health conscious. Even got pink eye last year and I had to treat it myself with over the counter drops, when i would have gotten a script from a doctor when I was Dell.
But mandating me to buy health insurance is unacceptable to me, and would probably force me into an even worse finantial posistion than I am in currently.
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  -The individual mandate is easily Constitutional. You can explain it to anyone in 3 seconds. BzaDem  Dec-13-10 05:03 PM   #0 
  - Miserable Fail  ThePhilosopher04   Dec-13-10 06:26 PM   #1 
  - Do you have ANY evidence to back up your assertion? Because it is blatently false.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:28 PM   #2 
  - We are all forced by government  WyLoochka   Dec-13-10 06:37 PM   #3 
  - That's because driving is considered a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT  derby378   Dec-13-10 06:43 PM   #5 
  - hat then is the case precedent for that particular distinction?  LanternWaste   Dec-13-10 06:59 PM   #12 
  - Why don't you do your own research?  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:37 PM   #23 
  - Health Insurance is also considered a privilege and not a Right  Bandit   Dec-14-10 12:14 PM   #66 
  - Not if you don't have a car  BuelahWitch   Dec-13-10 06:45 PM   #6 
  - They could absolutely force you to buy auto insurance EVEN IF you didn't have a car! There is  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:47 PM   #8 
     - Oh, please. Nothing prohibits making citizens walk naked, but guess what? IT DOESN'T NEED TO.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:33 PM   #21 
     - False and show a complete failure in understanding the Constitution.  Statistical   Dec-13-10 08:54 PM   #31 
        - Statistical, I am talking about STATES. Obviously the Federal government couldn't order you to do  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:40 PM   #36 
           - Depends on the state Constitution.  Statistical   Dec-13-10 09:46 PM   #40 
              - But the point is, the state has the power. What levers the need to pull to use that power may vary.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:49 PM   #43 
                 - No the state (or federal govt) only has the power if granted by the Constitution (state or federal)  Statistical   Dec-14-10 07:45 AM   #55 
                    - But many states don't even HAVE enumerated power schemes.  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 01:12 PM   #67 
  - Excuse me, but "we" is limited to the sub-set of citizens known as "automobile owners." FAIL.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:32 PM   #20 
  - They you require you buy liability insurance - to protect others from you.  dflprincess   Dec-13-10 09:47 PM   #41 
  - That argument has been debunked so often it's getting boring  sabrina 1   Dec-14-10 01:58 PM   #76 
  - You can of course cite case precedent to validate this, yes?  LanternWaste   Dec-13-10 06:55 PM   #11 
     - We don't need no stinkin' case precedent  derby378   Dec-13-10 07:35 PM   #22 
  - It's still a bad idea. Candidate Obama, you want to field this one?  jpgray   Dec-13-10 06:40 PM   #4 
  - I love it when the Obama's debate!! Though I much prefer candidate Obama.  Lucky 13   Dec-13-10 08:55 PM   #32 
  - The Bill of Rights was enacted partially because of that little clause  derby378   Dec-13-10 06:47 PM   #7 
  - Except you have absolutely no Constitutional right to not be forced to buy a product. None.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:48 PM   #9 
     - Can they force you to buy a bible? A gun? A car? A house?  The Straight Story   Dec-13-10 06:50 PM   #10 
     - Woo-hoo! Machine guns for everybody!  derby378   Dec-13-10 07:08 PM   #15 
     - I keep waiting on them to force me to buy one, since some think they can  The Straight Story   Dec-13-10 07:16 PM   #16 
        - I like the way you think  derby378   Dec-13-10 07:19 PM   #18 
        - If Flip Wilson were still alive would Geraldine's line change to  BuelahWitch   Dec-13-10 07:26 PM   #19 
     - A state can force you to buy a gun, car, and a House. A bible might give you a freedom of religion  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:42 PM   #37 
        - And which states have done so?  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-13-10 09:51 PM   #45 
           - Oh, none. I'm not saying they have done so. I'm just disputing the idea that they can't.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:54 PM   #48 
     - The government has no right to force you to enter into commerce with a private entity.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-10 07:03 PM   #13 
     - That's not true in the slightest. Do you have anything to back your assertion up? n/t  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:42 PM   #38 
     - Serve the Computer. The Computer is your friend.  derby378   Dec-13-10 07:06 PM   #14 
     - Uh. Yes you do. It's right in the Bill of Rights.  Xithras   Dec-13-10 07:18 PM   #17 
     - Just because the Constitution doesn't say "Congress has the power to mandate things" doesn't mean  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:44 PM   #39 
        - You're making a big leap of logic.  Xithras   Dec-13-10 11:44 PM   #52 
        - "But, in order for Congress to expand their regulation, they have to show a connection." False.  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 01:21 PM   #68 
        - Have you  sweetapogee   Dec-14-10 07:59 AM   #58 
     - Are you daft? INFINITUDE cannot be imputed to either the Constitution OR the Federal Government.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:39 PM   #24 
     - Actually  Abq_Sarah   Dec-14-10 01:20 AM   #54 
  - The commerce clause and general welfare clause also make it perfectly constitutional  Dark   Dec-13-10 08:39 PM   #25 
  - The Tenth Amendment would beg to differ.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 08:41 PM   #26 
     - No, it wouldn't. The 10th applies ONLY to things that the constitution did not cover.  Dark   Dec-13-10 09:51 PM   #44 
        - I disagree  sweetapogee   Dec-14-10 11:09 AM   #60 
        - Nope the Commerce clause is wide (maybe too wide) but SCOTUS has ruled  Statistical   Dec-14-10 11:19 AM   #64 
  - If the HCR Bill is so great, why would you need to defend it to anyone?  leftstreet   Dec-13-10 08:41 PM   #27 
  - nope  H2O Man   Dec-13-10 08:45 PM   #28 
  - FAIL. Your entire premise is that the only way the govt can achieve the end result is via mandate.  Statistical   Dec-13-10 08:50 PM   #29 
  - the fact that there are other alternatives doesn't make the one chosen unconstitutional  onenote   Dec-14-10 11:16 AM   #63 
  - Can I just ask a totally off-topic question?  Lucky 13   Dec-13-10 08:53 PM   #30 
  - There's no mandate now and we have 85% coverage. Most people with it are not sick.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 08:58 PM   #33 
  - Why would a rational person buy health insurance if they aren't sick and would never have to pay a  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:40 PM   #35 
     - Why do people do it right under employer based plans.  Statistical   Dec-13-10 09:49 PM   #42 
     - In many cases, the credit you get on your paycheck if you opt out is not even close to the actual  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 09:53 PM   #47 
     - I saw plenty of "invincible" young people opt out of 401K and stock participation  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 09:59 PM   #49 
     - When I was working at dell  christx30   Dec-18-10 09:17 PM   #82 
  - History: There was a law with a mandate to purchase a gun  Tx4obama   Dec-13-10 09:00 PM   #34 
  - That's hardly an admirable precedent  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-13-10 09:52 PM   #46 
     - It may not be admirable but it is 'precedent' that can be used in future judicial decisions. n/t  Tx4obama   Dec-14-10 10:59 AM   #59 
  - Bza's trying to talk Constitution again. The Necessary and Proper Clause this time, eh?  coti   Dec-13-10 09:59 PM   #50 
  - you make think "necessary" is stronger word, but you aren't Justice Marshall  onenote   Dec-14-10 12:07 PM   #65 
  - I said the word is stronger than the OP gave it credit for, and it is.  coti   Dec-14-10 01:29 PM   #70 
     - What you are saying is totally false. The question isn't whether it is neccessary to YOU.  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 01:33 PM   #72 
        - "It is necessary for the pre-existing condition regulation to work." Why was THAT necessary?  coti   Dec-14-10 01:40 PM   #73 
           - I think you are misunderstanding what has to be necessary. The pre-existing condition regulation  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 01:44 PM   #74 
              - Given your interpretation of the Clause, what CAN'T Congress do?  coti   Dec-14-10 01:51 PM   #75 
                 - What regulation would your proposal be "necessary" to?  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 02:10 PM   #77 
                    - That's a meaningless distinction. Congress has passed laws regulating everything imaginable.  coti   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #78 
  - Actually, the "necessary" requirement is MUCH less strong than you think it is.  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 01:27 PM   #69 
  - Ugly reasoning.  Matariki   Dec-13-10 10:04 PM   #51 
  - While I think the Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act is probably covered by the commerce clause  TheKentuckian   Dec-14-10 12:34 AM   #53 
  - It wouldn't choke the cartel to death at all. It would just mean that only rich people could afford  BzaDem   Dec-14-10 01:30 PM   #71 
  - I have a huge issue with mandating that people by the product of a private company.  Odin2005   Dec-14-10 07:48 AM   #56 
  - It is always amusing when people ignorant about the law,  MadHound   Dec-14-10 07:49 AM   #57 
  - That is true. However, ultimately, the Constitution says whatever the majority of Justices say  Romulox   Dec-14-10 11:16 AM   #62 
  - The best place to start with this is the opinion itself.  treestar   Dec-14-10 11:11 AM   #61 
  - wrong, plain wrong, period...  thotzRthingz   Dec-16-10 02:48 PM   #79 
  - Except that...  Creative   Dec-16-10 02:53 PM   #80 
  - What do you do for a living?  Bluenorthwest   Dec-16-10 03:18 PM   #81 

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