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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 05:59 PM
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23. Do you have any recollection of how DADT came about in the first place?
Clinton came into office in '93 and promised that he would repeal the ban on gays in the military with executive order. The second he did this, the right wing with the full support military brass, including the joint chiefs, waged a major PR campaign against Clinton. They painted him as an out of touch liberal, who had never served, trying to push a radical social agenda on a brave men and women in uniform. Their campaign was so successful that bipartisan congressional majorities were ready to pass a law that would override his executive order. DADT was the compromise we got out of that fiasco.

Obama, who also had never served, was faced with a similar problem. Therefore, letting Admiral Mullen and Secretary Gates be the faces of repealing DADT was an incredibly smart move, even though it took longer. Yes, Dan Choi got screwed. Yes, Obama is moving way too fucking slow on gay rights. Yes, his position on marriage equality is fucking ridiculous. But he got this one right.
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  -I don't Thank president Obama for signing DADT repeal. xchrom  Sep-21-11 05:35 PM   #0 
  - He didn't sign it, Clinton did.  Ben Gay   Sep-21-11 05:39 PM   #1 
  - Newbie can't read  leftynyc   Sep-22-11 03:33 PM   #82 
  - He did it the only way he could that would make it stick...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:41 PM   #2 
  - I think the original poster knows that...  dennis4868   Sep-21-11 05:43 PM   #5 
  - You're right, of course...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:46 PM   #9 
  - +1  pintobean   Sep-21-11 05:44 PM   #7 
  - actually it can be undone by the next guy  dsc   Sep-21-11 05:47 PM   #10 
  - Oh, the path is there...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:51 PM   #15 
     - All that was done was the removal of DADT  dsc   Sep-21-11 06:00 PM   #24 
        - Good luck with that... eom  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 06:04 PM   #28 
        - You really think that neither Perry nor Bachman to name two  dsc   Sep-21-11 06:11 PM   #31 
           - Like I said...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 06:16 PM   #34 
              - Actually Romney might well be worse  dsc   Sep-21-11 08:44 PM   #71 
        - People have such a bad memories (not you).  William769   Sep-21-11 06:20 PM   #37 
  - That's not true.  ThomCat   Sep-21-11 07:11 PM   #53 
  - that is utter bullshit and you know it  ruggerson   Sep-21-11 07:26 PM   #58 
     - Wrong... wrong... wrong...  JuniperLea   Sep-22-11 03:05 PM   #77 
  - Well then thank the repugs....  movonne   Sep-21-11 05:41 PM   #3 
  - Clinton signed DADT...  dennis4868   Sep-21-11 05:42 PM   #4 
  - You speak the truth. I BLAME OBAMA!  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:47 PM   #12 
     - huh?  dennis4868   Sep-21-11 05:57 PM   #21 
        - Just practicing...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 06:04 PM   #29 
  - Yup. The law and the drawn out repeal cost a lot for a lot of people.  rug   Sep-21-11 05:43 PM   #6 
  - Heres a article for you xchrom.  William769   Sep-21-11 05:45 PM   #8 
  - Good article. Thank you for posting it.  Tx4obama   Sep-21-11 06:12 PM   #32 
     - How was the rest of the article?  William769   Sep-21-11 06:37 PM   #43 
        - I already said it is a 'good article'. Don't push it ;) n/t  Tx4obama   Sep-21-11 07:42 PM   #63 
           - Push what?  William769   Sep-21-11 08:12 PM   #68 
  - K&R  quinnox   Sep-21-11 05:47 PM   #11 
  - +infinity  KG   Sep-21-11 05:48 PM   #14 
  - No, it is a victory for the LGBT community - due to President Obama's actions.  Tx4obama   Sep-21-11 05:51 PM   #16 
     - And he did work for years on this...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:52 PM   #18 
  - Like it or not, the president that signed the Repeal of DADT was OBAMA  Tx4obama   Sep-21-11 05:47 PM   #13 
  - He did it all himself?  William769   Sep-21-11 05:51 PM   #17 
     - I guess you missed the parts where the opposition...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:55 PM   #19 
     - A override.  William769   Sep-21-11 05:56 PM   #20 
        - Straw grabbing...  JuniperLea   Sep-21-11 05:59 PM   #22 
           - ...  William769   Sep-21-11 06:03 PM   #27 
     - No one, including the president, ever said he did it all himself. n/t  Tx4obama   Sep-21-11 06:01 PM   #25 
  - Do you have any recollection of how DADT came about in the first place?  Hippo_Tron   Sep-21-11 05:59 PM   #23 
  - Well you can just keep sulking. It's your right.  lunatica   Sep-21-11 06:02 PM   #26 
  - lol, of course you don't.  dionysus   Sep-21-11 06:04 PM   #30 
  - Unrecommend...nt  SidDithers   Sep-21-11 06:14 PM   #33 
  - THANK YOU, SID!!!!!!!!!  dbt   Sep-21-11 07:34 PM   #61 
  - hey Sid, you got a candy heart i can borrow?  dionysus   Sep-21-11 07:44 PM   #64 
     - I certainly do...  SidDithers   Sep-21-11 07:57 PM   #66 
        - thanks! oh... i almost forgot... (unrec)  dionysus   Sep-21-11 08:18 PM   #70 
  - Okay.  TwilightGardener   Sep-21-11 06:17 PM   #35 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-11 06:19 PM   #36 
  - Well - that was unenlightened. To put it kindly. Nt  xchrom   Sep-21-11 06:22 PM   #38 
  - Right because your desperate, dishonest OP attempting to minimize the President's victory...  phleshdef   Sep-21-11 06:34 PM   #41 
  - Repeal of DADT started before Obama was elected President.  William769   Sep-21-11 06:22 PM   #39 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-11 06:31 PM   #40 
        - And you think that hurts me?  William769   Sep-21-11 06:36 PM   #42 
        - No, I don't care enough to actually consider whether it does or not.  phleshdef   Sep-21-11 06:43 PM   #45 
           - And it shows. NT  William769   Sep-21-11 06:45 PM   #47 
              - Good. It was suppose to.  phleshdef   Sep-21-11 06:47 PM   #49 
        - Obama led a charge on pillows, maybe.  xchrom   Sep-21-11 06:38 PM   #44 
           - There was no mess. DADT repeal, compared to other civil rights fights, was pretty mild.  phleshdef   Sep-21-11 06:46 PM   #48 
  - It ended with Obama  BklnDem75   Sep-21-11 06:44 PM   #46 
  - His path to ending it gets nothing from me. Nt  xchrom   Sep-21-11 06:50 PM   #50 
     - I'm sure he'll still sleep soundly.  BklnDem75   Sep-21-11 06:52 PM   #51 
     - As all straights are 'entitled' to do. Nt  xchrom   Sep-21-11 07:30 PM   #59 
        - Or in Obama's case...  BklnDem75   Sep-21-11 07:38 PM   #62 
        - I imagine that particular concern will receive all the credibility it warrants...  LanternWaste   Sep-22-11 03:24 PM   #80 
     - His path to ending it was superior to yours in every way. Thats what really bothers you.  phleshdef   Sep-21-11 07:14 PM   #54 
        - Once again let me correct you, there is still a court case.  William769   Sep-21-11 07:18 PM   #55 
        - Once again what? When was the first mention of that from you to me?  phleshdef   Sep-21-11 08:15 PM   #69 
        - Holding your breath until you get your way didn't work?  whistler162   Sep-21-11 07:25 PM   #57 
  - It is over. Finished.  MineralMan   Sep-21-11 07:01 PM   #52 
  - Considering all that was on his plate...  CloakedClock   Sep-21-11 07:22 PM   #56 
  - I gotta say, that's a pretty lame statement. Provocative? Yes, accurate? NO  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 07:32 PM   #60 
  - For crying out loud!  treestar   Sep-21-11 07:46 PM   #65 
  - Translation: "I hate the guy so much I'm going to condemn him for doing exactly what he promised  Azathoth   Sep-21-11 08:00 PM   #67 
  - When DU 3 comes out...  backscatter712   Sep-21-11 09:18 PM   #72 
  - Love that pic...  SidDithers   Sep-21-11 09:20 PM   #73 
     - Yeah, I do have fun sometimes with Downvoting Roman. n/t  backscatter712   Sep-21-11 09:22 PM   #75 
  - Oh bullshit. If it hadn't been passed, all the blame would have been placed  NYC Liberal   Sep-21-11 09:21 PM   #74 
  - That's your prerogative.  MrScorpio   Sep-21-11 09:27 PM   #76 
  - Some Mother Fuckers Always Trying To Ice Skate Uphill...  NeedleCast   Sep-22-11 03:16 PM   #78 
  - Yea kissing the GOPS ass isn't helping any. NT  William769   Sep-22-11 03:17 PM   #79 
  - Sounds real classy, bro.  AngkorWot   Sep-22-11 03:26 PM   #81 
  - Amazing.  ecstatic   Sep-22-11 03:36 PM   #83 
  - I do. n/t  BeeBee   Sep-22-11 03:36 PM   #84 

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