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106. This needs to be done so everyone can have legal access to psychedelics...
...and, what's more, thoroughly trained professionals to help guide them through their experience. I honestly believe we'd be better off as a society if this were the case. Just listen, for example, to this short lecture by Dr. Roland Griffiths, Professor in the Departments of Psychiatry and Neurosciences at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, where he and his team administered psilocybin (the active ingredient in "magic mushrooms") to several individuals - most of which described the experience as "one of the five most significant" in their lives:

TEDxMidAtlantic - Roland Griffiths - 11/5/09
'Magic Mushrooms' Can Improve Psychological Health Long Term

And then there's this similar study done by Dr. Rick Strassman on the compound DMT:

DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences
DMT: The Spirit Molecule Documentary

And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Aldous Huxley's wonderful account of his experience on mescaline:

The Doors of Perception

Then you have studies/circumstances that have shown these substances to help cure folks of actual dangerous addictions to harder "drugs" - like Ibogaine's effect on heroin users after one administration:


Or LSD's promising ability in helping treat alcoholics:

LSD Treatment For Alcoholism Gets New Look

But, even all that aside, and on the larger issue as a whole (to the OP's point) - we should end this nonsense of legislating morality. Here is a FANTASTIC talk by Alan Watts that does a spectacular job at thoroughly covering this very issue:

Drug Abuse Law & Sin ∞ Alan Watts (1/5)
(there are links to parts 2-5 on the same page...the entire talk is well worth a listen)

"Let us declare nature to be legitimate. The notion of illegal plants is obnoxious and ridiculous in the first place." - Terence McKenna
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  -Legalize drugs. Yeah, you heard me, ALL OF THEM Taverner  Sep-21-11 02:41 PM   #0 
  - I would love to see the advertising campaigns for drugs.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #1 
  - The actor playing the meth user will be alert, good-looking  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-21-11 04:20 PM   #68 
  - Or it would be a 'before' and 'after' woman  Taverner   Sep-21-11 05:36 PM   #71 
  - Or smiling, happy kids.  Occulus   Sep-22-11 10:43 AM   #101 
  - They won't show the real speeds freaks.  lark   Sep-22-11 01:02 PM   #121 
     - How much of that damage is due to meth  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-22-11 06:00 PM   #153 
  - Advertising for legal recreational drugs should be handled like advertising for  kestrel91316   Sep-22-11 11:28 AM   #107 
  - I think the solution is to tax them  liberal N proud   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #2 
  - I totally agree and...  Hepburn   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #3 
  - I agree completely.  hifiguy   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #4 
  - k/r  mdmc   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #5 
  - It's not what they do to people that keeps them illegal, it's what people do to others while on them  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 02:47 PM   #6 
  - One could make the same argument for religion...  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:49 PM   #7 
  - I will help you make that argument for religion, but drugs definitely DO make you do things.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 02:55 PM   #10 
  - What do "drugs" "make" you do?  RadiationTherapy   Sep-21-11 02:58 PM   #12 
  - Drugs don't make anyone do anything  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:58 PM   #13 
  - Tell it to this guy:  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:07 PM   #23 
     - "He claims to this day that he has no recollection of committing the crime"  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:09 PM   #29 
     - Besides the cannibalism, the drugs made him stand naked and bloody screaming at the sky  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:14 PM   #37 
     - That's not the norm and you know it  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #41 
     - And the Devil sure as hell  Abq_Sarah   Sep-22-11 03:48 PM   #149 
     - why didnt pcp make me kill anyone then?  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:17 PM   #47 
        - Don't know. But he admits to having used it for about a decade.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:18 PM   #49 
        - Or maybe - just maybe - he was mentally ill  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:20 PM   #52 
        - Maybe the decades of drug abuse made his normal brain mentally ill.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:22 PM   #54 
        - maybe i am just not a murderer  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:30 PM   # 
           - Maybe MOST people aren't depraved sinners, waiting to kill, rape or steal  Taverner   Sep-21-11 05:36 PM   #70 
        - Probably because you had people around you, with more sense, who worked hard  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 01:10 PM   #124 
  - The cost of illegal drugs makes the addict do things.  Enthusiast   Sep-22-11 06:22 AM   #89 
  - Drugs make people rape others?  lark   Sep-22-11 01:11 PM   #125 
  - Just like alcohol is merely an excuse for poor driving...  LanternWaste   Sep-21-11 03:09 PM   #28 
  - Apples and oranges  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:11 PM   #31 
     - Precisely. Alcohol never makes us do anything we wouldn't otherwise do.  LanternWaste   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #40 
     - alcohol disinhibits and leads to poor decision making, it is the nature of the drug alcohol  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:26 PM   #58 
        - Enticing....  amyrose2712   Sep-22-11 02:36 PM   #139 
     - There's plenty of evidence that meth alters the brain itself  jmowreader   Sep-21-11 07:10 PM   #78 
        - as does prolongued alcohol use  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 03:54 AM   #84 
        - Yes it does.  quakerboy   Sep-22-11 02:54 PM   #144 
        - We're talking about meth, right?  jmowreader   Sep-23-11 04:36 PM   #157 
        - As does nicotine  duhneece   Sep-22-11 01:03 PM   #122 
        - The Montana Meth Project/Diane Sawyer last night:  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 01:35 PM   #128 
  - Were you raised by addicts?  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:26 PM   #112 
  - Huh?  EC   Sep-21-11 03:06 PM   #20 
  - And most of those "crazy guy on drugs kills a family" stories are urban myths  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #24 
  - Does anyone still do PCP?  EC   Sep-21-11 03:12 PM   #33 
  - i have done pcp several times  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #42 
  - I remember once back in the 70's  EC   Sep-21-11 03:23 PM   #55 
  - Back in the 80s, before X and Ketamine, PCP was big  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:16 PM   #45 
     - That goes without saying...  jmowreader   Sep-21-11 07:12 PM   #79 
        - PCP is a crude animal tranquilizer  Taverner   Sep-21-11 07:16 PM   #80 
  - It was.  Occulus   Sep-22-11 09:41 AM   #97 
  - Been there done that, remember Refer Madness ?  amyrose2712   Sep-22-11 02:39 PM   #141 
  - No one has ever caused violence while ON drugs?! Thats news to me.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #27 
     - Where did I say that? ... n/t  EC   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #36 
        - You stated the violence only comes from trying to obtain the drugs.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #43 
           - Not the same.  EC   Sep-21-11 03:20 PM   #51 
  - That's absurd.  Webster Green   Sep-21-11 03:07 PM   #22 
  - False. Meth can keep you awake for weeks at a time causing delusional psychosis.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:10 PM   #30 
     - "And heroin funds terrorism" Wrong. The Black Market for Heroin funds terrorism.  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:14 PM   #38 
     - But how could we educate our kids about the REAL dangers of these drugs if they're legal?  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:21 PM   #53 
        - We educate our children about alcohol and tobacco pretty well  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:23 PM   #56 
        - california to france is day to night  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:36 PM   #63 
        - Your "facts" are not true  quakerboy   Sep-22-11 03:46 PM   #147 
        - i know at least 2 functional heroin addicts  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:34 PM   #62 
        - There are plenty of them.  Webster Green   Sep-21-11 05:03 PM   #69 
        - For this very reason, I think we need to rethink the idea of intoxication  loyalsister   Sep-21-11 07:55 PM   #83 
        - It's not society's job to educate your children  _ed_   Sep-22-11 09:10 AM   #96 
        - The same way we teach them about the REAL dangers of alcohol.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-11 12:51 PM   #118 
     - More harm is done by keeping the substances illegal.  Webster Green   Sep-21-11 03:16 PM   #44 
     - That's rather exaggerated  lark   Sep-22-11 01:23 PM   #126 
     - "heroin funds terrorism"  naaman fletcher   Sep-22-11 02:30 PM   #137 
  - No one is saying make those things legal.  Atypical Liberal   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #34 
  - Yep. What you said.  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:14 PM   #39 
  - people rape, drugs do not make you rape  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #35 
  - And, if legalized, Big Pharma would step in and make a killing  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:17 PM   #48 
     - do like in switzerland and the netherlands  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:28 PM   #59 
  - On that basis, alcohol should be illegal, too n/t  markpkessinger   Sep-21-11 03:32 PM   #61 
  - violence, rape, abuse, armed robbery are all illegal. So what's your point?  Sirveri   Sep-22-11 06:05 AM   #85 
  - Decimation of families? Armed robbery?  Enthusiast   Sep-22-11 06:19 AM   #88 
  - Illegal heroine funds terrorism just fine?  Threedifferentones   Sep-22-11 06:39 AM   #91 
  - Yup. I think we should work on WHY as a society we are turning to addictive substances.  LiberalLoner   Sep-22-11 12:46 PM   #115 
  - "I think we should work on WHY as a society we are turning to addictive substances...EXACTLY!!!!!nt  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 01:27 PM   #127 
  - We have from the dawn of time  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 02:40 PM   #142 
  - With that line of reasoning, alcohol should be illegal.  LuckyLib   Sep-22-11 12:48 PM   #116 
  - You mean like alcohol  BadDog40   Sep-22-11 01:57 PM   #132 
  - Hmm should I point to the other LEGAL drug  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 02:39 PM   #140 
  - I agree.  PDJane   Sep-21-11 02:50 PM   #8 
  - And have an OTC market for folks who want to quit  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:51 PM   #9 
  - Agreed.  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 01:58 PM   #133 
  - I support that, but I disagree that it's a panacea  RZM   Sep-21-11 02:57 PM   #11 
  - Not a panacea, but simple harm reduction  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:59 PM   #14 
  - Like I said, I'm fine with it  RZM   Sep-21-11 03:05 PM   #17 
     - Well, yeah...  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:06 PM   #21 
        - We probably do. But I'd go with a different choice of words to describe it n/t  RZM   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #25 
           - How about "Great Leap Forward?"  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:12 PM   #32 
              - Or 'Stimulants Package?'  RZM   Sep-21-11 03:18 PM   #50 
  - a 100 dollar a day habit will likely go down to 5 to 10 dollars a day  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:42 PM   #66 
  - Kicking Darwin into high gear... I love it.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Sep-21-11 03:03 PM   #15 
  - People who can't control themselves while high usually can't control themselves when sober  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:05 PM   #19 
  - I believe it was said best by the nut Ron Paul  EC   Sep-21-11 03:03 PM   #16 
  - People would bother with the others...  jmowreader   Sep-23-11 05:00 PM   #158 
  - Why not? It worked for Portugal.  LadyHawkAZ   Sep-21-11 03:05 PM   #18 
  - +1nt  amyrose2712   Sep-22-11 02:45 PM   #143 
  - Portugal decriminalized, they did not legalize. There is a huge difference. n/t  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 03:49 PM   #150 
  - Legalize pot first, and see what happens.  Nye Bevan   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #26 
  - Only if it's ALL FREE  sixmile   Sep-21-11 03:17 PM   #46 
  - I'm good with that n/t  Silent3   Sep-21-11 03:25 PM   #57 
  - Recced for good points  War Horse   Sep-21-11 03:30 PM   #60 
  - Agree --- and do it now -- !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-21-11 03:38 PM   #64 
  - Completely agree.  FiveGoodMen   Sep-21-11 03:42 PM   #65 
  - the cartels will never allow it  0rganism   Sep-21-11 03:51 PM   #67 
  - No, the CIA will never allow that  Taverner   Sep-21-11 05:51 PM   #72 
  - Lame.  theaocp   Sep-21-11 06:18 PM   #73 
  - agreed! eom.  wildbilln864   Sep-21-11 06:28 PM   #74 
  - I've always believed that.  bigwillq   Sep-21-11 06:30 PM   #75 
  - Give me $20 and 20 minutes  Nevernose   Sep-21-11 06:34 PM   #76 
  - I've been saying it for years.  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-21-11 06:36 PM   #77 
  - I think Ron Paul...  CloakedClock   Sep-21-11 07:18 PM   #81 
  - Makes a fuckload more sense than what we're doing now  Warren DeMontague   Sep-21-11 07:26 PM   #82 
  - I've been saying that for years  dddem   Sep-22-11 06:13 AM   #86 
  - We would be money ahead if we bought  Enthusiast   Sep-22-11 06:15 AM   #87 
  - Meth is some scary shit and heroin kills. But other than that...legalize.  ellisonz   Sep-22-11 06:37 AM   #90 
  - If all drugs were legal except Meth and Heroin ...  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-22-11 10:49 AM   #102 
  - Either that or people could switch to...  ellisonz   Sep-22-11 07:18 PM   #155 
  - Ever done heroin? n/t  A HERETIC I AM   Sep-23-11 05:21 PM   #160 
  - 100% agreement, Taverner n/t  Dogtown   Sep-22-11 08:09 AM   #92 
  - It worked for Portugal...  Modern_Matthew   Sep-22-11 08:14 AM   #93 
  - Portugal  ProSense   Sep-22-11 08:24 AM   #94 
  - If they had that much success with decriminalization, then...  Modern_Matthew   Sep-22-11 09:46 AM   #98 
  - This is a very important distinction that many don't seem able to grasp.  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:53 PM   #119 
  - This is one nation , under god  Jim_Shorts   Sep-22-11 12:30 PM   #113 
  - LEAP agrees with you  duhneece   Sep-22-11 09:06 AM   #95 
  - The war on drugs is a joke...nt  and-justice-for-all   Sep-22-11 10:23 AM   #99 
  - Music would get so much better!  JVS   Sep-22-11 10:27 AM   #100 
  - You're right. ALL of them.  AllyCat   Sep-22-11 11:01 AM   #103 
  - i'm with you. put the cartels out of business instantly.  spanone   Sep-22-11 11:03 AM   #104 
  - I would go for this if they cut out the need for prescriptions to get any drugs...  JCMach1   Sep-22-11 11:04 AM   #105 
  - This needs to be done so everyone can have legal access to psychedelics...  drokhole   Sep-22-11 11:22 AM   #106 
  - I agree.  Vidar   Sep-22-11 11:39 AM   #108 
  - THANK YOU for this thread!  Plucketeer   Sep-22-11 11:54 AM   #109 
  - Have you ever dealt with someone out of the fuckin mind on Meth or PCP  Supply Side Jesus   Sep-22-11 11:56 AM   #110 
  - Yes, I have.  Moosepoop   Sep-22-11 12:19 PM   #111 
     - I have also dealt extensively with both  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:50 PM   #117 
     - Who said anything about DTs?  Moosepoop   Sep-22-11 01:39 PM   #129 
        - Some alcoholics experience withdrawl symptoms from even short term abstinance  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 01:53 PM   #131 
     - i hate dealing with drunks!  Supply Side Jesus   Sep-22-11 02:21 PM   #136 
  - I have grown up with addicts and i usually avoid threads like this because they cause me real stress  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:38 PM   #114 
  - So true, and thank you for saying it  peace frog   Sep-22-11 01:02 PM   #120 
  - Alas two cases of legalization point to the thesis  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 03:09 PM   #145 
     - Portugal did not legalize drug use. It is still illegal  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 03:30 PM   #146 
        - Yeah and while we discuss this  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 03:48 PM   #148 
           - Just as they would under a legalization. It's what happens when people inject themselves  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 03:57 PM   #151 
              - Perhaps I have a slightly different view of drugs  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 04:19 PM   #152 
                 - Marijuana has never killed anybody.  ellisonz   Sep-22-11 07:21 PM   #156 
  - If our culture were  femrap   Sep-22-11 01:07 PM   #123 
  - Drugs are not for everyone, but everyone that wants drugs should have access to them  liberation   Sep-22-11 01:51 PM   #130 
  - I want to reiterate what Liberal Loner posted...  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 02:09 PM   #134 
  - not going to happen  rollin74   Sep-22-11 02:17 PM   #135 
  - It would solve a lot of bullshit that is for sure.  sarcasmo   Sep-22-11 02:36 PM   #138 
  - Let's let your kids get access to meth and see how you like that.  Dreamer Tatum   Sep-22-11 06:02 PM   #154 
  - I am not a big fan of recreational drug use ....  etherealtruth   Sep-23-11 05:03 PM   #159 
  - best thread ever  Dokkie   Sep-23-11 05:22 PM   #161 
  - ..  mdmc   Sep-28-11 07:27 AM   #162 

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