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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:05 PM
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17. Like I said, I'm fine with it
But I don't think it's realistic at the moment. What we need first are focused efforts on what is achievable. Right now I think that front is weed and the battles are medical marijuana and decriminalization of small amounts. I think energy needs to be focused on those specific issues. When we can show clear gains on those, then the scope of the reform movement can widen.
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  -Legalize drugs. Yeah, you heard me, ALL OF THEM Taverner  Sep-21-11 02:41 PM   #0 
  - I would love to see the advertising campaigns for drugs.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #1 
  - The actor playing the meth user will be alert, good-looking  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-21-11 04:20 PM   #68 
  - Or it would be a 'before' and 'after' woman  Taverner   Sep-21-11 05:36 PM   #71 
  - Or smiling, happy kids.  Occulus   Sep-22-11 10:43 AM   #101 
  - They won't show the real speeds freaks.  lark   Sep-22-11 01:02 PM   #121 
     - How much of that damage is due to meth  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-22-11 06:00 PM   #153 
  - Advertising for legal recreational drugs should be handled like advertising for  kestrel91316   Sep-22-11 11:28 AM   #107 
  - I think the solution is to tax them  liberal N proud   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #2 
  - I totally agree and...  Hepburn   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #3 
  - I agree completely.  hifiguy   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #4 
  - k/r  mdmc   Sep-21-11 02:44 PM   #5 
  - It's not what they do to people that keeps them illegal, it's what people do to others while on them  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 02:47 PM   #6 
  - One could make the same argument for religion...  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:49 PM   #7 
  - I will help you make that argument for religion, but drugs definitely DO make you do things.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 02:55 PM   #10 
  - What do "drugs" "make" you do?  RadiationTherapy   Sep-21-11 02:58 PM   #12 
  - Drugs don't make anyone do anything  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:58 PM   #13 
  - Tell it to this guy:  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:07 PM   #23 
     - "He claims to this day that he has no recollection of committing the crime"  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:09 PM   #29 
     - Besides the cannibalism, the drugs made him stand naked and bloody screaming at the sky  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:14 PM   #37 
     - That's not the norm and you know it  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #41 
     - And the Devil sure as hell  Abq_Sarah   Sep-22-11 03:48 PM   #149 
     - why didnt pcp make me kill anyone then?  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:17 PM   #47 
        - Don't know. But he admits to having used it for about a decade.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:18 PM   #49 
        - Or maybe - just maybe - he was mentally ill  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:20 PM   #52 
        - Maybe the decades of drug abuse made his normal brain mentally ill.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:22 PM   #54 
        - maybe i am just not a murderer  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:30 PM   # 
           - Maybe MOST people aren't depraved sinners, waiting to kill, rape or steal  Taverner   Sep-21-11 05:36 PM   #70 
        - Probably because you had people around you, with more sense, who worked hard  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 01:10 PM   #124 
  - The cost of illegal drugs makes the addict do things.  Enthusiast   Sep-22-11 06:22 AM   #89 
  - Drugs make people rape others?  lark   Sep-22-11 01:11 PM   #125 
  - Just like alcohol is merely an excuse for poor driving...  LanternWaste   Sep-21-11 03:09 PM   #28 
  - Apples and oranges  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:11 PM   #31 
     - Precisely. Alcohol never makes us do anything we wouldn't otherwise do.  LanternWaste   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #40 
     - alcohol disinhibits and leads to poor decision making, it is the nature of the drug alcohol  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:26 PM   #58 
        - Enticing....  amyrose2712   Sep-22-11 02:36 PM   #139 
     - There's plenty of evidence that meth alters the brain itself  jmowreader   Sep-21-11 07:10 PM   #78 
        - as does prolongued alcohol use  reggie the dog   Sep-22-11 03:54 AM   #84 
        - Yes it does.  quakerboy   Sep-22-11 02:54 PM   #144 
        - We're talking about meth, right?  jmowreader   Sep-23-11 04:36 PM   #157 
        - As does nicotine  duhneece   Sep-22-11 01:03 PM   #122 
        - The Montana Meth Project/Diane Sawyer last night:  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 01:35 PM   #128 
  - Were you raised by addicts?  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:26 PM   #112 
  - Huh?  EC   Sep-21-11 03:06 PM   #20 
  - And most of those "crazy guy on drugs kills a family" stories are urban myths  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #24 
  - Does anyone still do PCP?  EC   Sep-21-11 03:12 PM   #33 
  - i have done pcp several times  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #42 
  - I remember once back in the 70's  EC   Sep-21-11 03:23 PM   #55 
  - Back in the 80s, before X and Ketamine, PCP was big  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:16 PM   #45 
     - That goes without saying...  jmowreader   Sep-21-11 07:12 PM   #79 
        - PCP is a crude animal tranquilizer  Taverner   Sep-21-11 07:16 PM   #80 
  - It was.  Occulus   Sep-22-11 09:41 AM   #97 
  - Been there done that, remember Refer Madness ?  amyrose2712   Sep-22-11 02:39 PM   #141 
  - No one has ever caused violence while ON drugs?! Thats news to me.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #27 
     - Where did I say that? ... n/t  EC   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #36 
        - You stated the violence only comes from trying to obtain the drugs.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #43 
           - Not the same.  EC   Sep-21-11 03:20 PM   #51 
  - That's absurd.  Webster Green   Sep-21-11 03:07 PM   #22 
  - False. Meth can keep you awake for weeks at a time causing delusional psychosis.  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:10 PM   #30 
     - "And heroin funds terrorism" Wrong. The Black Market for Heroin funds terrorism.  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:14 PM   #38 
     - But how could we educate our kids about the REAL dangers of these drugs if they're legal?  FarLeftFist   Sep-21-11 03:21 PM   #53 
        - We educate our children about alcohol and tobacco pretty well  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:23 PM   #56 
        - california to france is day to night  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:36 PM   #63 
        - Your "facts" are not true  quakerboy   Sep-22-11 03:46 PM   #147 
        - i know at least 2 functional heroin addicts  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:34 PM   #62 
        - There are plenty of them.  Webster Green   Sep-21-11 05:03 PM   #69 
        - For this very reason, I think we need to rethink the idea of intoxication  loyalsister   Sep-21-11 07:55 PM   #83 
        - It's not society's job to educate your children  _ed_   Sep-22-11 09:10 AM   #96 
        - The same way we teach them about the REAL dangers of alcohol.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-11 12:51 PM   #118 
     - More harm is done by keeping the substances illegal.  Webster Green   Sep-21-11 03:16 PM   #44 
     - That's rather exaggerated  lark   Sep-22-11 01:23 PM   #126 
     - "heroin funds terrorism"  naaman fletcher   Sep-22-11 02:30 PM   #137 
  - No one is saying make those things legal.  Atypical Liberal   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #34 
  - Yep. What you said.  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:14 PM   #39 
  - people rape, drugs do not make you rape  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #35 
  - And, if legalized, Big Pharma would step in and make a killing  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:17 PM   #48 
     - do like in switzerland and the netherlands  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:28 PM   #59 
  - On that basis, alcohol should be illegal, too n/t  markpkessinger   Sep-21-11 03:32 PM   #61 
  - violence, rape, abuse, armed robbery are all illegal. So what's your point?  Sirveri   Sep-22-11 06:05 AM   #85 
  - Decimation of families? Armed robbery?  Enthusiast   Sep-22-11 06:19 AM   #88 
  - Illegal heroine funds terrorism just fine?  Threedifferentones   Sep-22-11 06:39 AM   #91 
  - Yup. I think we should work on WHY as a society we are turning to addictive substances.  LiberalLoner   Sep-22-11 12:46 PM   #115 
  - "I think we should work on WHY as a society we are turning to addictive substances...EXACTLY!!!!!nt  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 01:27 PM   #127 
  - We have from the dawn of time  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 02:40 PM   #142 
  - With that line of reasoning, alcohol should be illegal.  LuckyLib   Sep-22-11 12:48 PM   #116 
  - You mean like alcohol  BadDog40   Sep-22-11 01:57 PM   #132 
  - Hmm should I point to the other LEGAL drug  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 02:39 PM   #140 
  - I agree.  PDJane   Sep-21-11 02:50 PM   #8 
  - And have an OTC market for folks who want to quit  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:51 PM   #9 
  - Agreed.  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 01:58 PM   #133 
  - I support that, but I disagree that it's a panacea  RZM   Sep-21-11 02:57 PM   #11 
  - Not a panacea, but simple harm reduction  Taverner   Sep-21-11 02:59 PM   #14 
  - Like I said, I'm fine with it  RZM   Sep-21-11 03:05 PM   #17 
     - Well, yeah...  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:06 PM   #21 
        - We probably do. But I'd go with a different choice of words to describe it n/t  RZM   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #25 
           - How about "Great Leap Forward?"  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:12 PM   #32 
              - Or 'Stimulants Package?'  RZM   Sep-21-11 03:18 PM   #50 
  - a 100 dollar a day habit will likely go down to 5 to 10 dollars a day  reggie the dog   Sep-21-11 03:42 PM   #66 
  - Kicking Darwin into high gear... I love it.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Sep-21-11 03:03 PM   #15 
  - People who can't control themselves while high usually can't control themselves when sober  Taverner   Sep-21-11 03:05 PM   #19 
  - I believe it was said best by the nut Ron Paul  EC   Sep-21-11 03:03 PM   #16 
  - People would bother with the others...  jmowreader   Sep-23-11 05:00 PM   #158 
  - Why not? It worked for Portugal.  LadyHawkAZ   Sep-21-11 03:05 PM   #18 
  - +1nt  amyrose2712   Sep-22-11 02:45 PM   #143 
  - Portugal decriminalized, they did not legalize. There is a huge difference. n/t  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 03:49 PM   #150 
  - Legalize pot first, and see what happens.  Nye Bevan   Sep-21-11 03:08 PM   #26 
  - Only if it's ALL FREE  sixmile   Sep-21-11 03:17 PM   #46 
  - I'm good with that n/t  Silent3   Sep-21-11 03:25 PM   #57 
  - Recced for good points  War Horse   Sep-21-11 03:30 PM   #60 
  - Agree --- and do it now -- !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-21-11 03:38 PM   #64 
  - Completely agree.  FiveGoodMen   Sep-21-11 03:42 PM   #65 
  - the cartels will never allow it  0rganism   Sep-21-11 03:51 PM   #67 
  - No, the CIA will never allow that  Taverner   Sep-21-11 05:51 PM   #72 
  - Lame.  theaocp   Sep-21-11 06:18 PM   #73 
  - agreed! eom.  wildbilln864   Sep-21-11 06:28 PM   #74 
  - I've always believed that.  bigwillq   Sep-21-11 06:30 PM   #75 
  - Give me $20 and 20 minutes  Nevernose   Sep-21-11 06:34 PM   #76 
  - I've been saying it for years.  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-21-11 06:36 PM   #77 
  - I think Ron Paul...  CloakedClock   Sep-21-11 07:18 PM   #81 
  - Makes a fuckload more sense than what we're doing now  Warren DeMontague   Sep-21-11 07:26 PM   #82 
  - I've been saying that for years  dddem   Sep-22-11 06:13 AM   #86 
  - We would be money ahead if we bought  Enthusiast   Sep-22-11 06:15 AM   #87 
  - Meth is some scary shit and heroin kills. But other than that...legalize.  ellisonz   Sep-22-11 06:37 AM   #90 
  - If all drugs were legal except Meth and Heroin ...  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-22-11 10:49 AM   #102 
  - Either that or people could switch to...  ellisonz   Sep-22-11 07:18 PM   #155 
  - Ever done heroin? n/t  A HERETIC I AM   Sep-23-11 05:21 PM   #160 
  - 100% agreement, Taverner n/t  Dogtown   Sep-22-11 08:09 AM   #92 
  - It worked for Portugal...  Modern_Matthew   Sep-22-11 08:14 AM   #93 
  - Portugal  ProSense   Sep-22-11 08:24 AM   #94 
  - If they had that much success with decriminalization, then...  Modern_Matthew   Sep-22-11 09:46 AM   #98 
  - This is a very important distinction that many don't seem able to grasp.  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:53 PM   #119 
  - This is one nation , under god  Jim_Shorts   Sep-22-11 12:30 PM   #113 
  - LEAP agrees with you  duhneece   Sep-22-11 09:06 AM   #95 
  - The war on drugs is a joke...nt  and-justice-for-all   Sep-22-11 10:23 AM   #99 
  - Music would get so much better!  JVS   Sep-22-11 10:27 AM   #100 
  - You're right. ALL of them.  AllyCat   Sep-22-11 11:01 AM   #103 
  - i'm with you. put the cartels out of business instantly.  spanone   Sep-22-11 11:03 AM   #104 
  - I would go for this if they cut out the need for prescriptions to get any drugs...  JCMach1   Sep-22-11 11:04 AM   #105 
  - This needs to be done so everyone can have legal access to psychedelics...  drokhole   Sep-22-11 11:22 AM   #106 
  - I agree.  Vidar   Sep-22-11 11:39 AM   #108 
  - THANK YOU for this thread!  Plucketeer   Sep-22-11 11:54 AM   #109 
  - Have you ever dealt with someone out of the fuckin mind on Meth or PCP  Supply Side Jesus   Sep-22-11 11:56 AM   #110 
  - Yes, I have.  Moosepoop   Sep-22-11 12:19 PM   #111 
     - I have also dealt extensively with both  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:50 PM   #117 
     - Who said anything about DTs?  Moosepoop   Sep-22-11 01:39 PM   #129 
        - Some alcoholics experience withdrawl symptoms from even short term abstinance  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 01:53 PM   #131 
     - i hate dealing with drunks!  Supply Side Jesus   Sep-22-11 02:21 PM   #136 
  - I have grown up with addicts and i usually avoid threads like this because they cause me real stress  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 12:38 PM   #114 
  - So true, and thank you for saying it  peace frog   Sep-22-11 01:02 PM   #120 
  - Alas two cases of legalization point to the thesis  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 03:09 PM   #145 
     - Portugal did not legalize drug use. It is still illegal  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 03:30 PM   #146 
        - Yeah and while we discuss this  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 03:48 PM   #148 
           - Just as they would under a legalization. It's what happens when people inject themselves  FedUpWithIt All   Sep-22-11 03:57 PM   #151 
              - Perhaps I have a slightly different view of drugs  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-22-11 04:19 PM   #152 
                 - Marijuana has never killed anybody.  ellisonz   Sep-22-11 07:21 PM   #156 
  - If our culture were  femrap   Sep-22-11 01:07 PM   #123 
  - Drugs are not for everyone, but everyone that wants drugs should have access to them  liberation   Sep-22-11 01:51 PM   #130 
  - I want to reiterate what Liberal Loner posted...  BrendaBrick   Sep-22-11 02:09 PM   #134 
  - not going to happen  rollin74   Sep-22-11 02:17 PM   #135 
  - It would solve a lot of bullshit that is for sure.  sarcasmo   Sep-22-11 02:36 PM   #138 
  - Let's let your kids get access to meth and see how you like that.  Dreamer Tatum   Sep-22-11 06:02 PM   #154 
  - I am not a big fan of recreational drug use ....  etherealtruth   Sep-23-11 05:03 PM   #159 
  - best thread ever  Dokkie   Sep-23-11 05:22 PM   #161 
  - ..  mdmc   Sep-28-11 07:27 AM   #162 
 

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