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Thu Sep-22-11 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #169 |
| 171. Wow, I hadn't read that he was "railroaded" for the first crime |
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How did they pin that one on him?
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| -Jesus.... I Believe That The Execution Of Troy Davis Is A Political Act, And NOT An Act Of Justice |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:09 AM |
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that is because you don't know the facts of the case... n/t |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:11 AM |
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And what exactly are the facts? Why would a request for a polygraph be denied? |
Parker CA |
Sep-21-11 09:14 AM |
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you can look up the facts for yourself... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:21 AM |
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And You Would Put Davis To Death When There Is So Much Doubt ??? |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:27 AM |
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I am gving the link to the Moore ruling--I don't think there's much doubt. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:02 PM |
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So... We're Gonna Kill A Guy Because He Didn't Follow Proper Protocol ??? |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 03:34 PM |
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And she seems to have no problem with that. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:35 PM |
#88 |
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Actually, I and the other lawyer on the thread are anti-DP. But Troy Davis |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:00 PM |
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Sickening. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 05:03 PM |
#145 |
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It's easy defending the innocent. Tougher to stand with the guilty |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:23 PM |
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Can you point to any evidence that he's guilty? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 05:26 PM |
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I can lead you to rulings, but I can't make you read them. His guilt doesn't change your stance |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:34 PM |
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once more slowly just for you I read it |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 05:40 PM |
#156 |
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do you want courts to accept unsworn, uncrossed evidence? |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:59 PM |
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No. But I also don't want them to accept testimony that has been contradicted |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:03 PM |
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This Case Makes A Mockery Of "Due Process", Capital Punishment, And OUR ENTIRE JUSTICE SYSTEM !!! |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 04:58 PM |
#143 |
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Sadly, Davis had bites at the apple few did. His 2010 hearing was |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:29 PM |
#154 |
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You said "not much doubt" |
Hippo_Tron |
Sep-21-11 05:43 PM |
#157 |
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"Not much doubt" |
Capitalocracy |
Sep-22-11 09:32 AM |
#170 |
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A polygraph on its own |
pipi_k |
Sep-21-11 09:34 AM |
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So you're fine with a person being sent to death with ZERO physical evidence against them. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 09:41 AM |
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+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:43 AM |
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yep...ZERO evidence...that's what they had... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:43 AM |
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Please provide any physical evidence that you are aware of. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 09:48 AM |
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ALL They Had Was Eye-Witness Accounts |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:51 AM |
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Well, they aren't very credible witnesses. We can't trust that they're telling the truth |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 09:54 AM |
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LOL !!! |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:57 AM |
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No. They had ballistics, which the basis for the current emergency appeal. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:15 PM |
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Ballistics means NOTHING if they can't prove he touched that gun. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:24 PM |
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Because they match those of the other guy he killed |
jberryhill |
Sep-21-11 03:57 PM |
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Troy Davis? You're saying he's been convicted of another homicide? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:02 PM |
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Excuse me, "shot", not killed |
jberryhill |
Sep-21-11 04:06 PM |
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Not Troy Davis. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:07 PM |
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Nobody questions it my ass. This is part of the same damned case. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:21 PM |
#119 |
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Crickets again? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:44 PM |
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Crickets? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 10:14 AM |
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So, you're not even going to bother to make shit up? |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 02:09 PM |
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ahhh...your victory is now complete |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 04:45 PM |
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You seem to be the one who's concerned with winning. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:46 PM |
#137 |
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'Humani-wutnow?' |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 10:09 PM |
#164 |
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I suppose I shouldn't be. |
EOTE |
Sep-22-11 09:25 AM |
#168 |
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It's not about 'victory'. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 09:55 PM |
#163 |
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Have you changed your mind on this? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 02:35 PM |
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You mean that seven out of nine witnesses |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-21-11 11:53 AM |
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google is yours. Can you produce those recantations? His attorneys couldn't. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 02:50 PM |
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Yes. I can produce a number of them. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 02:59 PM |
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Those aren't recantations. You know why? |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:10 PM |
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But why the hell is he being put to death if that's the SOLE reason he was found guilty? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:15 PM |
#76 |
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The eyewitness testimony and the ballistics evidence remain legally intact.. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:23 PM |
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And ONCE AGAIN, you provide nothing in terms of evidence. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:26 PM |
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I have repeatedly provided the Moore ruling, which states the evidence on which |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 04:25 PM |
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Are you freaking kidding me? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:27 PM |
#121 |
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I am not kidding you. You have the ruling. Tell us what you disagree with. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 04:38 PM |
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THERE'S NOTHING TO DISAGREE WITH! |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:41 PM |
#133 |
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Then you agree with Judge Moore that Troy Davis is guilty of murder. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:12 PM |
#146 |
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Wow You are the opposite of clever |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 05:18 PM |
#149 |
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Let me provide your logic here: |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:50 PM |
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There's nothing to dispute because the judge cites absolutely nothing of substance. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:29 PM |
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The judge said nothing of substance? Dear me. I thought his analysis of Herrera |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 04:48 PM |
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So once again you pass up on the opportunity to provide even a shred of evidence. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:51 PM |
#140 |
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I can lead you to rulings, but I can't make you read them. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:43 PM |
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I read the ruling, you haven't. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 05:51 PM |
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OK. So the ballistics evidence shows that the cop was killed with a .38. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:27 PM |
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How do you explain his other conviction? |
jberryhill |
Sep-21-11 03:58 PM |
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What other conviction? NT |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:02 PM |
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For shooting Michael Cooper |
jberryhill |
Sep-21-11 04:05 PM |
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This is part of the same damned case. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:08 PM |
#114 |
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A lot of things matter to me |
jberryhill |
Sep-21-11 04:40 PM |
#132 |
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I, too have consistently opposed the death penalty. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:43 PM |
#135 |
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Because the discussion of Troy Davis' guilt is irrelevant |
jberryhill |
Sep-21-11 05:27 PM |
#153 |
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I agree that the death penalty is extremely flawed and can't be fixed. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 06:56 PM |
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There will be no facts forthcoming. There never are. |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 09:24 AM |
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bullshit... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:26 AM |
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Oh, would that be the judge who says the witnesses aren't credible? |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 09:29 AM |
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Hmmm. I wonder when the witnesses weren't credible |
socialist_n_TN |
Sep-21-11 09:57 AM |
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Judge Moore said the recantations weren't credible because the defense attorneys didn't call the |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 02:53 PM |
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That still isn't evidence. The poster claims there were things about the trial we didn't know. |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 03:58 PM |
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The first 60 pages of the ruling outline the evidence against him.Rr |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 04:31 PM |
#123 |
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And for some damned reason, you can't even specify what that evidence is. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:34 PM |
#125 |
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If it outlines the evidence, then why is it so hard for anyone to explain what that evidence is? |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 04:37 PM |
#128 |
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Surely providing a link is enough, right? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:39 PM |
#131 |
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And judges are never wrong... |
ceile |
Sep-21-11 09:30 AM |
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Yep. That would be those "facts". n/t |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 09:31 AM |
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Wow... Were You At The Reagan Library Recently ??? |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:31 AM |
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Your position is not rational. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 09:53 AM |
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Why would it be denied? Please. |
Zax2me |
Sep-21-11 03:47 PM |
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Because they'd look even fucking worse when he passes it. NT |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:57 PM |
#142 |
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The facts are irrelevant, an innocent person may be executed as long as due process was followed |
bananas |
Sep-21-11 09:20 AM |
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and let's also have mindless 'cogs' |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:27 AM |
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Yep. We're all a bunch of idiots.. |
ceile |
Sep-21-11 09:29 AM |
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That's right. The information is 'out there somewhere'. If we can't find it, that's our problem. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 02:07 PM |
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Yes... Please Fill Us In On "The Facts" |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:22 AM |
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ahhh...the wiki-source... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:25 AM |
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Be as condescending as you want. |
ceile |
Sep-21-11 09:28 AM |
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K&R. People should look at the actual record rather than using |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-21-11 09:38 AM |
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That makes absolutely no sense. |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 09:45 AM |
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And actually... |
pipi_k |
Sep-21-11 10:00 AM |
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Exaclty. It doesn't give any weight to the claim that there was evidence. |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 10:11 AM |
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It does make sense. when you have sworn and crossed testimony, and then a recant |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 02:55 PM |
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Oh, well. Of course, you go with the former and ignore the latter |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 04:06 PM |
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I'm not disagreeing with your frustration. Merely explaining how courts work. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 04:34 PM |
#126 |
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No, that's not what you were doing. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:36 PM |
#127 |
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Well, yeah. How our courts work is a darn good reason to ditch the death penalty. |
Pithlet |
Sep-21-11 04:39 PM |
#130 |
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I don't disagree that the DP should be done away with. But I don't think Davis is |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 05:26 PM |
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It's Called Reasonable Doubt... And There Is Plenty Of It In This Case... |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 09:48 AM |
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Low standards of proof and participation should be an embarrassment |
loyalsister |
Sep-21-11 10:21 AM |
#49 |
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Yet the facts prove you are clueless. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 10:00 AM |
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Actually it looks like a lack of evidence is what's driving |
pipi_k |
Sep-21-11 10:19 AM |
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Then post the goods. You're not looking too credible right now. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 11:49 AM |
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Hey! I have a 'yes/no' question for you to run away from! |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 02:16 PM |
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so are you saying that Jimmy Carter and the former head of the FBI |
Bluerthanblue |
Sep-21-11 04:05 PM |
#110 |
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the facts don't point to mr davis as the killer |
spanone |
Sep-21-11 11:57 AM |
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I've been following this case for over four years. I know there is no physical evidence, just |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-21-11 04:02 PM |
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Can Obama stop this execution? |
realFedUp |
Sep-21-11 09:15 AM |
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My thought exactly |
sellitman |
Sep-21-11 09:25 AM |
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The president |
polmaven |
Sep-21-11 10:24 AM |
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Did he approach the Prosecutor then? |
sellitman |
Sep-22-11 12:16 PM |
#172 |
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This would be political suicide to even entertain this idea |
taught_me_patience |
Sep-21-11 05:17 PM |
#148 |
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+1 |
my2sense |
Sep-21-11 09:16 AM |
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We should have learned our lesson after Texas (under Rick Perry's watch) executed an innocent man... |
LAGC |
Sep-21-11 09:19 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-21-11 09:31 AM |
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. |
Iggo |
Sep-21-11 09:35 AM |
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yes, because I read something from the judge that convinces me he's guilty |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Sep-21-11 09:38 AM |
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In the death penalty, there's a HUGE burden put on the prosecution. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 09:55 AM |
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Let's see it then. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 10:02 AM |
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Evidence is so passe. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 10:06 AM |
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Last I knew... |
pipi_k |
Sep-21-11 10:08 AM |
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What was that something that you read? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 10:17 AM |
#46 |
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That was Cameron Todd Willingham. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 09:50 AM |
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Esp the Parole Board: They are appointees and they had discretion to commute the sentence |
aikoaiko |
Sep-21-11 10:20 AM |
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i think jesus would agree with you...look what they did to him. |
madrchsod |
Sep-21-11 10:34 AM |
#51 |
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thinking alike |
newspeak |
Sep-21-11 11:13 AM |
#53 |
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Kick. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 11:09 AM |
#52 |
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ProdigalJunkMail assertions regarding this case are not credible. |
shireen |
Sep-21-11 12:00 PM |
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Oh yes, I know this. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 12:37 PM |
#58 |
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That won't ever happen. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 02:18 PM |
#63 |
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It's a time-dishonored tactic of disinformationists. |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 02:05 PM |
#59 |
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here's the ruling--PJM's assertions are indeed correct. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 02:59 PM |
#71 |
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In no way are they correct. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:02 PM |
#73 |
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Of course there's physical evidence--his attorney's are challenging it, right now, for a stay. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:13 PM |
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Wouldn't you need to prove that Troy Davis actually, you know, used the gun first? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:16 PM |
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You don't need ballistics to prove someone handled a gun. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:29 PM |
#84 |
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Stop being so damned obtuse. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:31 PM |
#85 |
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the prosecution proved he used the murder weapon on the cop. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 04:12 PM |
#116 |
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No they didn't. And if you truly believe that, SHOW US. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:14 PM |
#117 |
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Zero physical evidence. You are horribly wrong. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:34 PM |
#87 |
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No murder weapon nor any DNA were recovered from the scene. |
EFerrari |
Sep-21-11 03:37 PM |
#89 |
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Well, ballistics evidence points to the cop most likely being shot by a man. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:39 PM |
#91 |
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what you describe is physical evidence. |
msanthrope |
Sep-21-11 03:53 PM |
#98 |
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Did you even read what you had responded to? |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:55 PM |
#99 |
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You are in 'way over your head as usual. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-21-11 04:51 PM |
#141 |
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Who was the shooter in that other shooting? |
kctim |
Sep-21-11 04:00 PM |
#104 |
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Most likely one of the 2 remaining witnesses who didn't recant their story. NT |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 04:11 PM |
#115 |
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Then why was Davis also convicted of that crime? |
kctim |
Sep-22-11 08:44 AM |
#167 |
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He was railroaded for that crime so they could pin the other crime on him. |
EOTE |
Sep-22-11 09:29 AM |
#169 |
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Wow, I hadn't read that he was "railroaded" for the first crime |
kctim |
Sep-22-11 11:23 AM |
#171 |
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Same way they pinned the other one on him. |
EOTE |
Sep-22-11 01:59 PM |
#174 |
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Never mind. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:40 PM |
#92 |
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thank you. |
shireen |
Sep-22-11 03:58 PM |
#175 |
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Totally agree.... |
WCGreen |
Sep-21-11 02:18 PM |
#64 |
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It's murder. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-21-11 02:36 PM |
#66 |
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How is this a political act when the case has made it to the |
Skidmore |
Sep-21-11 03:29 PM |
#83 |
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Because the Supreme Court is never political, right? |
EFerrari |
Sep-21-11 03:38 PM |
#90 |
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LOL !!! - MOST Of Politics Is Cover Your Ass... |
WillyT |
Sep-21-11 03:43 PM |
#93 |
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His DEFENSE is political. Execution justice. Or, justice as our system sees it. |
Zax2me |
Sep-21-11 03:46 PM |
#95 |
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NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE!!! |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 03:49 PM |
#97 |
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killing a person will NEVER restore the life of anyone. |
Bluerthanblue |
Sep-21-11 04:17 PM |
#118 |
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The whole damn system is guilty! |
countryjake |
Sep-21-11 04:42 PM |
#134 |
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"Could not possibly care less" -- You don't care that there is a possibility a man will be murdered |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-21-11 07:04 PM |
#162 |
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So it would be ok with you for the state to put you to death, |
The Doctor. |
Sep-21-11 10:24 PM |
#165 |
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Totally. Just finished reading John Grisham's "The Confession." |
Atman |
Sep-21-11 04:31 PM |
#124 |
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We're probably not getting all the facts of the case. |
taught_me_patience |
Sep-21-11 05:15 PM |
#147 |
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The facts are that he was convicted with zero physical evidence. |
EOTE |
Sep-21-11 06:51 PM |
#160 |
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How many times do I have to say this? Execution is NOT justice. |
flvegan |
Sep-21-11 10:26 PM |
#166 |
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...and it doesn't prevent crime either. |
Lex |
Sep-22-11 01:13 PM |
#173 |
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