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135. I, too have consistently opposed the death penalty.
But I wonder why it is that you bring up the other shooting when there's once again zero evidence that links Troy Davis to that one either. Why would you even mention that?
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  -Jesus.... I Believe That The Execution Of Troy Davis Is A Political Act, And NOT An Act Of Justice WillyT  Sep-21-11 09:09 AM   #0 
  - that is because you don't know the facts of the case... n/t  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:11 AM   #1 
  - And what exactly are the facts? Why would a request for a polygraph be denied?  Parker CA   Sep-21-11 09:14 AM   #2 
  - you can look up the facts for yourself...  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:21 AM   #7 
  - And You Would Put Davis To Death When There Is So Much Doubt ???  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:27 AM   #14 
  - I am gving the link to the Moore ruling--I don't think there's much doubt.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:02 PM   #72 
     - So... We're Gonna Kill A Guy Because He Didn't Follow Proper Protocol ???  WillyT   Sep-21-11 03:34 PM   #86 
     - And she seems to have no problem with that.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:35 PM   #88 
     - Actually, I and the other lawyer on the thread are anti-DP. But Troy Davis  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:00 PM   #144 
        - Sickening.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 05:03 PM   #145 
           - It's easy defending the innocent. Tougher to stand with the guilty  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:23 PM   #150 
              - Can you point to any evidence that he's guilty?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 05:26 PM   #152 
                 - I can lead you to rulings, but I can't make you read them. His guilt doesn't change your stance  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:34 PM   #155 
                    - once more slowly just for you I read it  EOTE   Sep-21-11 05:40 PM   #156 
     - do you want courts to accept unsworn, uncrossed evidence?  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:59 PM   #103 
        - No. But I also don't want them to accept testimony that has been contradicted  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:03 PM   #108 
        - This Case Makes A Mockery Of "Due Process", Capital Punishment, And OUR ENTIRE JUSTICE SYSTEM !!!  WillyT   Sep-21-11 04:58 PM   #143 
           - Sadly, Davis had bites at the apple few did. His 2010 hearing was  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:29 PM   #154 
     - You said "not much doubt"  Hippo_Tron   Sep-21-11 05:43 PM   #157 
        - "Not much doubt"  Capitalocracy   Sep-22-11 09:32 AM   #170 
  - A polygraph on its own  pipi_k   Sep-21-11 09:34 AM   #22 
  - So you're fine with a person being sent to death with ZERO physical evidence against them.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 09:41 AM   #26 
  - + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:43 AM   #27 
  - yep...ZERO evidence...that's what they had...  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:43 AM   #28 
     - Please provide any physical evidence that you are aware of.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 09:48 AM   #30 
     - ALL They Had Was Eye-Witness Accounts  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:51 AM   #33 
     - Well, they aren't very credible witnesses. We can't trust that they're telling the truth  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 09:54 AM   #35 
     - LOL !!!  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:57 AM   #38 
     - No. They had ballistics, which the basis for the current emergency appeal.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #77 
        - Ballistics means NOTHING if they can't prove he touched that gun.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:24 PM   #80 
        - Because they match those of the other guy he killed  jberryhill   Sep-21-11 03:57 PM   #100 
           - Troy Davis? You're saying he's been convicted of another homicide?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:02 PM   #105 
           - Excuse me, "shot", not killed  jberryhill   Sep-21-11 04:06 PM   #111 
              - Not Troy Davis.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:07 PM   #113 
           - Nobody questions it my ass. This is part of the same damned case.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:21 PM   #119 
        - Crickets again?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:44 PM   #94 
     - Crickets?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 10:14 AM   #45 
     - So, you're not even going to bother to make shit up?  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 02:09 PM   #61 
     - ahhh...your victory is now complete  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 04:45 PM   #136 
        - You seem to be the one who's concerned with winning.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:46 PM   #137 
        - 'Humani-wutnow?'  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 10:09 PM   #164 
           - I suppose I shouldn't be.  EOTE   Sep-22-11 09:25 AM   #168 
        - It's not about 'victory'.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 09:55 PM   #163 
     - Have you changed your mind on this?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 02:35 PM   #65 
  - You mean that seven out of nine witnesses  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-21-11 11:53 AM   #55 
     - google is yours. Can you produce those recantations? His attorneys couldn't.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 02:50 PM   #67 
        - Yes. I can produce a number of them.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 02:59 PM   #70 
           - Those aren't recantations. You know why?  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:10 PM   #74 
              - But why the hell is he being put to death if that's the SOLE reason he was found guilty?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:15 PM   #76 
                 - The eyewitness testimony and the ballistics evidence remain legally intact..  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:23 PM   #79 
                    - And ONCE AGAIN, you provide nothing in terms of evidence.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:26 PM   #81 
                    - I have repeatedly provided the Moore ruling, which states the evidence on which  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 04:25 PM   #120 
                       - Are you freaking kidding me?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:27 PM   #121 
                       - I am not kidding you. You have the ruling. Tell us what you disagree with.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 04:38 PM   #129 
                          - THERE'S NOTHING TO DISAGREE WITH!  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:41 PM   #133 
                          - Then you agree with Judge Moore that Troy Davis is guilty of murder.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:12 PM   #146 
                             - Wow You are the opposite of clever  EOTE   Sep-21-11 05:18 PM   #149 
                          - Let me provide your logic here:  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:50 PM   #139 
                       - There's nothing to dispute because the judge cites absolutely nothing of substance.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:29 PM   #122 
                          - The judge said nothing of substance? Dear me. I thought his analysis of Herrera  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 04:48 PM   #138 
                             - So once again you pass up on the opportunity to provide even a shred of evidence.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:51 PM   #140 
                                - I can lead you to rulings, but I can't make you read them.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:43 PM   #158 
                                   - I read the ruling, you haven't.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 05:51 PM   #159 
                    - OK. So the ballistics evidence shows that the cop was killed with a .38.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:27 PM   #82 
                       - How do you explain his other conviction?  jberryhill   Sep-21-11 03:58 PM   #101 
                          - What other conviction? NT  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:02 PM   #106 
                             - For shooting Michael Cooper  jberryhill   Sep-21-11 04:05 PM   #109 
                                - This is part of the same damned case.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:08 PM   #114 
                                   - A lot of things matter to me  jberryhill   Sep-21-11 04:40 PM   #132 
                                      - I, too have consistently opposed the death penalty.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:43 PM   #135 
                                         - Because the discussion of Troy Davis' guilt is irrelevant  jberryhill   Sep-21-11 05:27 PM   #153 
                                            - I agree that the death penalty is extremely flawed and can't be fixed.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 06:56 PM   #161 
  - There will be no facts forthcoming. There never are.  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 09:24 AM   #9 
  - bullshit...  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:26 AM   #12 
     - Oh, would that be the judge who says the witnesses aren't credible?  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 09:29 AM   #16 
     - Hmmm. I wonder when the witnesses weren't credible  socialist_n_TN   Sep-21-11 09:57 AM   #37 
     - Judge Moore said the recantations weren't credible because the defense attorneys didn't call the  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 02:53 PM   #68 
        - That still isn't evidence. The poster claims there were things about the trial we didn't know.  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 03:58 PM   #102 
           - The first 60 pages of the ruling outline the evidence against him.Rr  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 04:31 PM   #123 
              - And for some damned reason, you can't even specify what that evidence is.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:34 PM   #125 
              - If it outlines the evidence, then why is it so hard for anyone to explain what that evidence is?  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 04:37 PM   #128 
                 - Surely providing a link is enough, right?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:39 PM   #131 
     - And judges are never wrong...  ceile   Sep-21-11 09:30 AM   #18 
     - Yep. That would be those "facts". n/t  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 09:31 AM   #19 
     - Wow... Were You At The Reagan Library Recently ???  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:31 AM   #21 
     - Your position is not rational.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 09:53 AM   #34 
  - Why would it be denied? Please.  Zax2me   Sep-21-11 03:47 PM   #96 
     - Because they'd look even fucking worse when he passes it. NT  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:57 PM   #142 
  - The facts are irrelevant, an innocent person may be executed as long as due process was followed  bananas   Sep-21-11 09:20 AM   #6 
  - and let's also have mindless 'cogs'  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:27 AM   #13 
     - Yep. We're all a bunch of idiots..  ceile   Sep-21-11 09:29 AM   #17 
        - That's right. The information is 'out there somewhere'. If we can't find it, that's our problem.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 02:07 PM   #60 
  - Yes... Please Fill Us In On "The Facts"  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:22 AM   #8 
  - ahhh...the wiki-source...  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:25 AM   #11 
     - Be as condescending as you want.  ceile   Sep-21-11 09:28 AM   #15 
     - K&R. People should look at the actual record rather than using  COLGATE4   Sep-21-11 09:38 AM   #24 
     - That makes absolutely no sense.  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 09:45 AM   #29 
     - And actually...  pipi_k   Sep-21-11 10:00 AM   #39 
     - Exaclty. It doesn't give any weight to the claim that there was evidence.  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 10:11 AM   #44 
     - It does make sense. when you have sworn and crossed testimony, and then a recant  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 02:55 PM   #69 
        - Oh, well. Of course, you go with the former and ignore the latter  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 04:06 PM   #112 
           - I'm not disagreeing with your frustration. Merely explaining how courts work.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 04:34 PM   #126 
              - No, that's not what you were doing.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:36 PM   #127 
              - Well, yeah. How our courts work is a darn good reason to ditch the death penalty.  Pithlet   Sep-21-11 04:39 PM   #130 
                 - I don't disagree that the DP should be done away with. But I don't think Davis is  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 05:26 PM   #151 
     - It's Called Reasonable Doubt... And There Is Plenty Of It In This Case...  WillyT   Sep-21-11 09:48 AM   #31 
     - Low standards of proof and participation should be an embarrassment  loyalsister   Sep-21-11 10:21 AM   #49 
     - Yet the facts prove you are clueless.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 10:00 AM   #40 
        - Actually it looks like a lack of evidence is what's driving  pipi_k   Sep-21-11 10:19 AM   #47 
     - Then post the goods. You're not looking too credible right now.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 11:49 AM   #54 
     - Hey! I have a 'yes/no' question for you to run away from!  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 02:16 PM   #62 
     - so are you saying that Jimmy Carter and the former head of the FBI  Bluerthanblue   Sep-21-11 04:05 PM   #110 
  - the facts don't point to mr davis as the killer  spanone   Sep-21-11 11:57 AM   #56 
  - I've been following this case for over four years. I know there is no physical evidence, just  Puregonzo1188   Sep-21-11 04:02 PM   #107 
  - Can Obama stop this execution?  realFedUp   Sep-21-11 09:15 AM   #3 
  - My thought exactly  sellitman   Sep-21-11 09:25 AM   #10 
  - The president  polmaven   Sep-21-11 10:24 AM   #50 
     - Did he approach the Prosecutor then?  sellitman   Sep-22-11 12:16 PM   #172 
  - This would be political suicide to even entertain this idea  taught_me_patience   Sep-21-11 05:17 PM   #148 
  - +1  my2sense   Sep-21-11 09:16 AM   #4 
  - We should have learned our lesson after Texas (under Rick Perry's watch) executed an innocent man...  LAGC   Sep-21-11 09:19 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-11 09:31 AM   #20 
  - .  Iggo   Sep-21-11 09:35 AM   #23 
  - yes, because I read something from the judge that convinces me he's guilty  ProdigalJunkMail   Sep-21-11 09:38 AM   #25 
     - In the death penalty, there's a HUGE burden put on the prosecution.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 09:55 AM   #36 
     - Let's see it then.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 10:02 AM   #41 
     - Evidence is so passe.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 10:06 AM   #42 
     - Last I knew...  pipi_k   Sep-21-11 10:08 AM   #43 
     - What was that something that you read?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 10:17 AM   #46 
  - That was Cameron Todd Willingham.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 09:50 AM   #32 
  - Esp the Parole Board: They are appointees and they had discretion to commute the sentence  aikoaiko   Sep-21-11 10:20 AM   #48 
  - i think jesus would agree with you...look what they did to him.  madrchsod   Sep-21-11 10:34 AM   #51 
  - thinking alike  newspeak   Sep-21-11 11:13 AM   #53 
  - Kick.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 11:09 AM   #52 
  - ProdigalJunkMail assertions regarding this case are not credible.  shireen   Sep-21-11 12:00 PM   #57 
     - Oh yes, I know this.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 12:37 PM   #58 
     - That won't ever happen.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 02:18 PM   #63 
     - It's a time-dishonored tactic of disinformationists.  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 02:05 PM   #59 
     - here's the ruling--PJM's assertions are indeed correct.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 02:59 PM   #71 
        - In no way are they correct.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:02 PM   #73 
        - Of course there's physical evidence--his attorney's are challenging it, right now, for a stay.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:13 PM   #75 
           - Wouldn't you need to prove that Troy Davis actually, you know, used the gun first?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:16 PM   #78 
           - You don't need ballistics to prove someone handled a gun. nt  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:29 PM   #84 
              - Stop being so damned obtuse.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:31 PM   #85 
                 - the prosecution proved he used the murder weapon on the cop.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 04:12 PM   #116 
                    - No they didn't. And if you truly believe that, SHOW US.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:14 PM   #117 
           - Zero physical evidence. You are horribly wrong.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:34 PM   #87 
           - No murder weapon nor any DNA were recovered from the scene.  EFerrari   Sep-21-11 03:37 PM   #89 
           - Well, ballistics evidence points to the cop most likely being shot by a man.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:39 PM   #91 
           - what you describe is physical evidence.  msanthrope   Sep-21-11 03:53 PM   #98 
           - Did you even read what you had responded to?  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:55 PM   #99 
           - You are in 'way over your head as usual. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-21-11 04:51 PM   #141 
           - Who was the shooter in that other shooting?  kctim   Sep-21-11 04:00 PM   #104 
              - Most likely one of the 2 remaining witnesses who didn't recant their story. NT  EOTE   Sep-21-11 04:11 PM   #115 
                 - Then why was Davis also convicted of that crime?  kctim   Sep-22-11 08:44 AM   #167 
                    - He was railroaded for that crime so they could pin the other crime on him.  EOTE   Sep-22-11 09:29 AM   #169 
                       - Wow, I hadn't read that he was "railroaded" for the first crime  kctim   Sep-22-11 11:23 AM   #171 
                          - Same way they pinned the other one on him.  EOTE   Sep-22-11 01:59 PM   #174 
           - Never mind.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:40 PM   #92 
        - thank you.  shireen   Sep-22-11 03:58 PM   #175 
  - Totally agree....  WCGreen   Sep-21-11 02:18 PM   #64 
  - It's murder. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-21-11 02:36 PM   #66 
  - How is this a political act when the case has made it to the  Skidmore   Sep-21-11 03:29 PM   #83 
  - Because the Supreme Court is never political, right?  EFerrari   Sep-21-11 03:38 PM   #90 
  - LOL !!! - MOST Of Politics Is Cover Your Ass...  WillyT   Sep-21-11 03:43 PM   #93 
  - His DEFENSE is political. Execution justice. Or, justice as our system sees it.  Zax2me   Sep-21-11 03:46 PM   #95 
  - NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE!!!  EOTE   Sep-21-11 03:49 PM   #97 
  - killing a person will NEVER restore the life of anyone.  Bluerthanblue   Sep-21-11 04:17 PM   #118 
  - The whole damn system is guilty!  countryjake   Sep-21-11 04:42 PM   #134 
  - "Could not possibly care less" -- You don't care that there is a possibility a man will be murdered  Arugula Latte   Sep-21-11 07:04 PM   #162 
  - So it would be ok with you for the state to put you to death,  The Doctor.   Sep-21-11 10:24 PM   #165 
  - Totally. Just finished reading John Grisham's "The Confession."  Atman   Sep-21-11 04:31 PM   #124 
  - We're probably not getting all the facts of the case.  taught_me_patience   Sep-21-11 05:15 PM   #147 
  - The facts are that he was convicted with zero physical evidence.  EOTE   Sep-21-11 06:51 PM   #160 
  - How many times do I have to say this? Execution is NOT justice.  flvegan   Sep-21-11 10:26 PM   #166 
     - ...and it doesn't prevent crime either.  Lex   Sep-22-11 01:13 PM   #173 

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