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58. There's a scene in Alexandra Pelosi's documentary
"Journeys With George" where she asks Jeb and George, seated together on the bus, if they think they
will win Florida. George looks at her and says, "If there is one thing I can guarantee you it's that we will
win Florida." Makes my skin crawl.
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  -George W. Bush, plain fuckin stole the 2000 election. Firebrand Gary  Sep-20-11 03:45 AM   #0 
  - .  Syrinx   Sep-20-11 04:06 AM   #1 
  - Excellent read, God Bless Rolling Stone!  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 04:25 AM   #4 
  - JUNTA DAY 2000.12.12  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 11:52 AM   #65 
  - Could you please explain to me...  emcguffie   Sep-20-11 02:52 PM   #96 
     - SCOTUS named the monkey POTUS on 12/12/2000  WhiteTara   Sep-20-11 04:12 PM   #102 
     - Dec. 12, 2000 was the date of the Supreme's action ending vote counting in Florida.  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 08:36 PM   #122 
  - Yes, GREAT read. Made me re-up my ACLU membership.  nilram   Sep-20-11 08:58 PM   #132 
  - Thks for posting. nt  snagglepuss   Sep-20-11 12:20 PM   #68 
  - NO NO NO!!! Al Gore lost that election all by himself.  UnrepentantLiberal   Sep-20-11 01:03 PM   #77 
     - Actually, I think quite a few people believe he did win.  emcguffie   Sep-20-11 02:58 PM   #97 
     - Democrats need a five point lead in the polls  The Wizard   Sep-20-11 04:23 PM   #103 
     - So keep gnawing on that conspiracy theory bone. Losing feels good  UnrepentantLiberal   Sep-20-11 04:57 PM   #105 
     - Nice you have so much faith in Republican-owned proprietary voting software. nt  valerief   Sep-20-11 05:07 PM   #107 
     - There's just the question: who owns the proprietary voting machines?  valerief   Sep-20-11 05:06 PM   #106 
     - Watch this...  YvonneCa   Sep-20-11 05:38 PM   #111 
     - That's why polls showing Obama beating Romney or Perry by only a few points scare me.  totodeinhere   Sep-21-11 11:51 AM   #166 
     - Gore won the election. No one held a gun to his head and forced  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 12:51 AM   #142 
        - This was the first major move on Fox News's part.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 01:33 AM   #151 
        - Oh, it was a bloodless coup for sure. Gore should have accused  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:38 AM   #153 
        - The Republicans held all the cards and they held a gun against the American Peoples' head.  Uncle Joe   Sep-21-11 12:16 PM   #167 
           - Academic now, but given that the U.S. embraced an official policy  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 03:44 PM   #170 
              - Consider what happened during the last one, 600,000+ Americans died on both sides using  Uncle Joe   Sep-21-11 04:16 PM   #171 
                 - I say it's academic, but your post seems to indicate that the  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 04:31 PM   #172 
                    - Al Gore wasn't faced with that decision in 2000, he was faced with the potential for U.S. Civil War.  Uncle Joe   Sep-21-11 04:46 PM   #174 
                       - Yeah, I see your point I think. I'm not advocating for a 2nd civil war, mind you,  coalition_unwilling   Sep-22-11 01:23 AM   #179 
                          - There are too many variables to answer your question.  Uncle Joe   Sep-22-11 10:46 AM   #181 
                             - Sort of like van Papen believed that, once Hindenburg appointed  coalition_unwilling   Sep-23-11 02:10 AM   #184 
                                - Yes but to a much lesser extent, if we're talking about the individual, Bush; unlike Hitler isn't in  Uncle Joe   Sep-23-11 09:56 AM   #186 
                                   - You just think Bush isn't in power  coalition_unwilling   Sep-23-11 10:19 AM   #188 
                                      - There are other major differences in your analogy of course, I was in a rush  Uncle Joe   Sep-23-11 11:20 AM   #192 
                                         - I concur with all you've written. I think the strongest difference is  coalition_unwilling   Sep-23-11 02:01 PM   #193 
                                            - Thanks, coalition_unwilling.  Uncle Joe   Sep-23-11 02:05 PM   #194 
  - No, no, no, no....  Fumesucker   Sep-20-11 04:14 AM   #2 
  - LMAO. Good ole Nadir.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 04:26 AM   #5 
  - It's easier and more familiar to be mad at one annoying guy  EFerrari   Sep-20-11 04:46 AM   #8 
  - Nader doesn't get a pass. He did absolutely nothing to help defeat Bush:  elocs   Sep-20-11 06:53 AM   #35 
  - I agree with you...  Fumesucker   Sep-20-11 07:10 AM   #37 
  - Best summary of Nader's role in the 2000 election EVER!!!  saras   Sep-20-11 01:21 PM   #78 
     - Nader was full of crap about the Corvair  Mopar151   Sep-20-11 02:49 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-20-11 10:15 AM   #49 
  - Ralph Nader 2000  libinnyandia   Sep-20-11 01:28 PM   #79 
     - Welcome to DU!  mattclearing   Sep-20-11 04:02 PM   #101 
  - Shhhh  iamthebandfanman   Sep-20-11 10:16 AM   #50 
  - "54% of the 179,855 ballots "spoiled" were cast by African-American voters"  mod mom   Sep-20-11 11:19 AM   #56 
  - Karma is a bitch.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 02:13 AM   #158 
  - Truth is, if if hadn't been for Nader........  AverageJoe90   Sep-20-11 02:19 PM   #89 
  - Right -- Bush didn't need to stop the vote counting in Miami-Dade -- 120,000 votes never counted !!  defendandprotect   Sep-21-11 03:18 AM   #163 
  - hahahaha... it was a clever talking point while it lasted  fascisthunter   Sep-20-11 05:41 PM   #112 
  - Evidently the DINOs that voted for GWB want us all to believe it  Rex   Sep-20-11 08:49 PM   #131 
  - Some people here still don't believe that Poppy Bush, Murdoch and Mr. Matalin rigged it in '88. NT  Hart2008   Sep-20-11 04:16 AM   #3 
  - Can we finally be done with the Bush family?  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 04:28 AM   #6 
  - The Bush crime family is still on the loose, and Jeb could still run for president.  Hart2008   Sep-20-11 04:34 AM   #7 
  - We are fools if we don't put an immediate stop to Jeb's ambitions.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 02:11 PM   #85 
  - I'd bet, if the Republican party has another close election  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 02:14 PM   #86 
  - Stop giving me nightmares...the thoughts of another Bush scares the s**t out of me.  Auntie Bush   Sep-20-11 02:25 PM   #91 
  - Are you kidding? They're like termites.  EFerrari   Sep-20-11 04:47 AM   #9 
  - Misanthropes for centuries or it seems !  orpupilofnature57   Sep-20-11 06:24 AM   #20 
  - the Bushes have George P. and Jeb Jr. (35 & 28 years old) waiting in the wings  stockholmer   Sep-20-11 10:26 AM   #51 
  - As long as the remembrance...  A wise Man   Sep-20-11 01:00 PM   #75 
  - ROVER did it, with help from his 'friends,' he's STILL doing it,  elleng   Sep-20-11 08:47 AM   #40 
  - Rove learned his trade from Lee Atwater in '88. Dole in '88 won every hand counted precinct in NH  Hart2008   Sep-20-11 01:39 PM   #81 
     - Right, Atwater,  elleng   Sep-20-11 02:45 PM   #94 
     - Actually, Rove was one of Donald Segretti's dirty tricksters during  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 12:56 AM   #143 
  - Hmm, that sounds interesting.  emcguffie   Sep-20-11 03:01 PM   #98 
  - Mr. Mary Matalin indeed. The Matalins are like Guy Bannister's office in Garrison's book.  Hart2008   Sep-20-11 03:54 PM   #99 
     - Very interesting info, Hart. n/t  Mimosa   Sep-21-11 03:59 AM   #164 
     - The links you provided had me going for a while there.  emcguffie   Sep-22-11 01:41 PM   #183 
  - The Bush family has been criminal since the '20's!!!  Initech   Sep-20-11 06:59 PM   #117 
  - Excellent post  malaise   Sep-20-11 05:02 AM   #10 
  - Well..we had a Democratic majority in 2006 that promised to  INdemo   Sep-20-11 05:28 AM   #11 
  - If it's a close election and Obama narrowly wins, of course he  totodeinhere   Sep-20-11 12:28 PM   #70 
     - Good idea, but how in the world can it be done  lark   Sep-20-11 02:01 PM   #83 
     - Nationalize all of the machines and administer them with an honest and fair  totodeinhere   Sep-20-11 02:15 PM   #87 
     - We have a chance to take back the House and increase our  INdemo   Sep-20-11 02:42 PM   #93 
  - In Florida they just hack the voting machines....  Sancho   Sep-20-11 05:45 AM   #12 
  - and in 80% of the country! Votes are tbaulated by one private company in 80% of the US.  robinlynne   Sep-20-11 11:38 AM   #63 
  - Bull Crap!  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 08:43 PM   #126 
  - Morning in America  NNN0LHI   Sep-20-11 05:57 AM   #13 
  - Yeah, those Reagan Democrats sure screwed the country good.. n/t  Fumesucker   Sep-20-11 05:59 AM   #14 
  - I can remember standing in line at the unemployment office as that ad was on the TV there  NNN0LHI   Sep-20-11 06:06 AM   #15 
     - I was an electrician working commercial construction at the time..  Fumesucker   Sep-20-11 06:17 AM   #18 
        - This from your post:  NNN0LHI   Sep-20-11 06:25 AM   #22 
           - You'll have to excuse their desperation, they only have $400,000 a year to live on..  Fumesucker   Sep-20-11 07:00 AM   #36 
  - +1, n/t  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 06:47 AM   #31 
  - When free and fair elections no longer exist, we will live in tyranny.  sunwyn   Sep-20-11 06:13 AM   #16 
  - Yep, I fear democracy has left America. Now we live in a contrived corrupt  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 06:29 AM   #24 
  - We have been living in tyranny since 2000. Didn't you notice Bush?  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 08:45 PM   #127 
  - As noted democrat (lower-case 'd') Joseph Stalin once said, "He who casts a vote  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:01 AM   #145 
  - We are awfully close.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 07:54 PM   #175 
  - Beautiful! kr nt  Enthusiast   Sep-20-11 06:15 AM   #17 
  - Nancy Pelosi should of had him hung to dry, for High Treason.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-20-11 06:21 AM   #19 
  - They should just be called, "The Terrorist Party." n/t  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 06:25 AM   #21 
  - +1  stuntcat   Sep-20-11 09:06 AM   #44 
     - It's a sickness, unfortunately it's not currently classified as such, but is  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 09:59 AM   #46 
  - The difference between Republicans and Democrats is obvious here  lunatica   Sep-20-11 06:26 AM   #23 
  - Often too many democrats are too busy fighting with each other while the  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 06:31 AM   #25 
     - Thats why Democrats are more American ,oh boy ,because the process  orpupilofnature57   Sep-20-11 06:39 AM   #28 
  - After the steal, they'll say it was the tea party upset...  mother earth   Sep-20-11 06:33 AM   #26 
  - Waiting for those who argue their is no proof of electronic  RegieRocker   Sep-20-11 06:36 AM   #27 
  - Sorry, but you're wrong..  digitaln3rd   Sep-20-11 06:40 AM   #29 
  - Yep, I think you hit on the major key point, "show the American people that they're different  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 06:45 AM   #30 
  - RFK was the last Democrat.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-20-11 06:48 AM   #33 
  - Yep, he was!!! When JFK was murdered, the magic and democracy left the country. IMO it's  RKP5637   Sep-20-11 06:52 AM   #34 
  - And I can't see it changing anytime soon.  digitaln3rd   Sep-20-11 07:11 AM   #38 
  - Oh come on. There have been plenty of good Democrats since RFK.  totodeinhere   Sep-20-11 12:19 PM   #67 
     - Not to piss on the RFK parade, but RFK and JFK both cozied up  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:09 AM   #147 
  - Interesting. Until you mentioned it, I had not thought of that, but now  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:07 AM   #146 
     - Maybe that's what I am, Dem Socialist. I was just looking at the web site. n/t  RKP5637   Sep-21-11 04:34 PM   #173 
  - The discussion is about the biggest ,costly ,lethal farce ,so far in our History..  orpupilofnature57   Sep-20-11 06:47 AM   #32 
  - Well then we completely disagree, but it should be noted that whats taking place now  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 05:45 PM   #115 
  - By the way, if you are going to post on DU you should understand its founding. Here you go.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 03:09 AM   #161 
  - It's not easy to win an election  Turbineguy   Sep-20-11 07:16 AM   #39 
  - You're absolutely right, repugs never fail to work their crap.  elleng   Sep-20-11 08:52 AM   #41 
  - Nebraska is NOT changing its election laws  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-20-11 08:57 AM   #42 
  - Yes, and it resulted in Barack Obama winning an electoral vote that he wouldn't have if  totodeinhere   Sep-20-11 12:23 PM   #69 
  - And anything else he could get his fucking hands onto.  lonestarnot   Sep-20-11 09:00 AM   #43 
  - AMEN!!!  Odin2005   Sep-20-11 09:11 AM   #45 
  - I can't believe anyone in this country would believe our elections are fair, honest or open.  Aaria   Sep-20-11 10:03 AM   #47 
  - Yup. Of course he did and took out country into the toilet. It is an outrage  tropicanarose   Sep-20-11 10:07 AM   #48 
  - K&R  Blue Owl   Sep-20-11 10:39 AM   #52 
  - 2000 and 2004  colsohlibgal   Sep-20-11 10:42 AM   #53 
  - yes indeed! and they'd like to do 2012 if they can get the right state to poll closely enough  librechik   Sep-20-11 11:33 AM   #60 
  - Im more pissed at Kerry than Bush for 2004.  Initech   Sep-20-11 07:03 PM   #118 
     - Kerry's ineptness in 2004 shall live in infamy down through the ages of political  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:15 AM   #148 
        - I saw that interview too, that one REALLY pissed me off!!  Initech   Sep-21-11 01:47 AM   #154 
        - I remember telling my wife at the time (after I finished shouting at the  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:51 AM   #155 
        - Touche!!! K&R  Carolina   Sep-23-11 10:23 AM   #189 
  - K&R  pam4water   Sep-20-11 11:03 AM   #54 
  - Most likely, but when the lobbyists come knocking, the elections die.  RedCloud   Sep-20-11 11:13 AM   #55 
  - all state efforts start at the local RW radio stations- they need to be picketed, sponsors boycotted  certainot   Sep-20-11 11:19 AM   #57 
  - There's a scene in Alexandra Pelosi's documentary  EmeraldCityGrl   Sep-20-11 11:20 AM   #58 
  - Tsk, tsk:  blkmusclmachine   Sep-20-11 11:30 AM   #59 
  - Their bodies make as good a fertilizer as anyone else's. Happy?  saras   Sep-20-11 01:36 PM   #80 
  - Shucks, your right.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 01:53 AM   #157 
  - unfortunately, the Democrats are helping. It is not just the Republicans.  robinlynne   Sep-20-11 11:37 AM   #61 
  - privatizing the early voting system in FL??? Hello - earth to Justice Dept!  Divine Discontent   Sep-20-11 11:37 AM   #62 
  - You bet. It reeks of corruption. Considering Governor Scotts previous behavior  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 02:16 PM   #88 
     - things do not look good for election integrity next year... I am so angry, and I'm sure thousands of  Divine Discontent   Sep-21-11 12:57 AM   #144 
  - By its' actions the Republican Party is an enemy of democracy.  Uncle Joe   Sep-20-11 11:51 AM   #64 
  - Bingo !  vets74   Sep-20-11 11:55 AM   #66 
  - rather, it was stolen for him.  KG   Sep-20-11 12:28 PM   #71 
  - Unfortunately, the Republican Party is calling back:  DFW   Sep-20-11 12:51 PM   #72 
  - That's why we have to hang up!  Firebrand Gary   Sep-23-11 02:35 AM   #185 
  - When you add vote hacking, redistricting, and voter suppression  Jim_Shorts   Sep-20-11 12:54 PM   #73 
  - Telling it to DU'ers...  A wise Man   Sep-20-11 12:58 PM   #74 
  - It does mean something...  Uncle Joe   Sep-20-11 01:49 PM   #82 
     - Thanks Uncle Joe  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 05:29 PM   #108 
  - OK, this is not a secret, this is commonly known WHY AREN'T the DEMS  Guilded Lilly   Sep-20-11 01:01 PM   #76 
  - I am much more pissed about 2004 !!! Jeb rigged FL for SURE on that one too! nt  Laura PourMeADrink   Sep-20-11 02:04 PM   #84 
  - nate silver wrote a good article of how  SnakeEyes   Sep-20-11 02:20 PM   #90 
  - I wonder why these election tactics don't work every time.  deaniac21   Sep-20-11 02:30 PM   #92 
  - Because we fight, they lie, steal and cheat and we fight.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 05:31 PM   #109 
     - oh  deaniac21   Sep-21-11 10:43 AM   #165 
  - My very, very elderly mother is politically aware and still enjoys  JDPriestly   Sep-20-11 04:00 PM   #100 
  - What's the big deal about having to show an ID to vote?  Flatulo   Sep-20-11 04:35 PM   #104 
  - Are you a senior citizen?  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 05:38 PM   #110 
  - well stated  fascisthunter   Sep-20-11 05:44 PM   #114 
  - TOUCHE!  Carolina   Sep-23-11 10:34 AM   #190 
  - Senior citizens and other SS recipients cannot collect SS benefits unless they can  Flatulo   Sep-20-11 08:35 PM   #121 
     - Yes, but  Carolina   Sep-23-11 10:42 AM   #191 
  - because it costs MONEY and therefore it is a Poll Tax  fascisthunter   Sep-20-11 05:43 PM   #113 
  - It's insulting to the people who were orignally  Flatulo   Sep-20-11 08:30 PM   #120 
     - Good luck with that, it is flat out a poll tax.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 02:59 AM   #159 
  - Pantload!  Webster Green   Sep-20-11 06:56 PM   #116 
  - It changes the election outcome by 1-2 percent in favor of Republicans.  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 08:39 PM   #125 
  - I'd like to see the sources for that, if you don't mind.  Flatulo   Sep-20-11 09:35 PM   #135 
     - Some people do not have photo IDs, and it cost them to obtain them. Barriers work!  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 09:54 PM   #136 
        - Thanks for the info. Live and learn.  Flatulo   Sep-21-11 12:42 AM   #141 
  - If you have to have an ID to vote and, to obtain the ID, you have to  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:22 AM   #149 
  - I live in NJ.  emcguffie   Sep-22-11 01:37 PM   #182 
  - unconstitional  Ricochet21   Sep-20-11 08:25 PM   #119 
  - Cheating is the only way the Fascists can win  vanboggie   Sep-20-11 08:36 PM   #123 
  - Cheating is not the ONLY way the Fascists can win. In 1933, they 'won'  coalition_unwilling   Sep-21-11 01:25 AM   #150 
     - True, and I consider that cheating n/t  vanboggie   Sep-21-11 01:52 AM   #156 
  - Yawn!!!! nt  bluestate10   Sep-20-11 08:37 PM   #124 
  - Lets also call Governor Scott Walker out here as well  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 08:45 PM   #128 
  - How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes  L. Coyote   Sep-20-11 08:47 PM   #129 
  - ...  YvonneCa   Sep-20-11 11:25 PM   #139 
  - I pray that we make sure this never happens again.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 01:38 AM   #152 
  - So should the DINOs that voted for him in 2000!  Rex   Sep-20-11 08:47 PM   #130 
  - George Bush stole the 2000 election and the Democrats sat back  dflprincess   Sep-20-11 09:09 PM   #133 
  - Excellent point that is highlighted perfectly in Capitalism: A love story.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-20-11 09:35 PM   #134 
  - and they are in better  DonCoquixote   Sep-20-11 10:00 PM   #137 
  - They are going to have a very difficult time.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 02:01 PM   #169 
  - K & R  orbitalman   Sep-20-11 10:59 PM   #138 
  - We really need to bring the voting system up to date.  Major Hogwash   Sep-20-11 11:34 PM   #140 
  - For those of you denying this thread and calling it conspiracy theory I give you this.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-21-11 03:05 AM   #160 
  - kr -- back tomorrow to read the article --  defendandprotect   Sep-21-11 03:16 AM   #162 
  - K&R  tawadi   Sep-21-11 12:25 PM   #168 
  - and the theft of the popular vote in 2004 when 25 percent of the vote in Ohio  Samantha   Sep-22-11 12:41 AM   #176 
  - It's amazing to me that they do it out in the open.  Firebrand Gary   Sep-22-11 01:01 AM   #177 
     - They have no shame  Samantha   Sep-22-11 09:07 AM   #180 
  - And the economy still suffers today. From that one event.  Zax2me   Sep-22-11 01:07 AM   #178 
  - And the Wimpocrats have allowed this  Carolina   Sep-23-11 10:08 AM   #187 
  - The dumbass GOPers went for what they wished for...and wow  opihimoimoi   Sep-23-11 02:10 PM   #195 

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