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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:13 AM
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17. I long suspected
He was a fifth column republican,after the DLC was infiltrated...slowly we got bill clinton and his'welfare reform'.
http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2010/01/04/clinto...

NOBODY truly blue would take the shit Leo Stauss writes as public policy.and..Obama is a moderate republican.People don't remember what a democrat is anymore.You cannot negotiate with psychopaths without losing your own integrity and principles.


The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.


CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.


DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminish profits, including protecting the environment and safety on the job.


PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.


ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."


http://www.globalexchange.org/resources/econ101/neolibe...
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  -I never could have imagined voting for a Democratic president only to find him cutting Medicare Stinky The Clown  Sep-19-11 06:45 AM   #0 
  - Your mistake is you thought you were voting for a Democratic President  NMMNG   Sep-19-11 06:46 AM   #1 
  - Well, there is that.  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-19-11 06:58 AM   #3 
  - +1. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-19-11 07:00 AM   #4 
  - Your mistake is thinking the Democratic Party is something it ain't.  blindpig   Sep-19-11 07:39 AM   #12 
  - Fuck us for pretending the Democratic Party hasn't been infiltrated by republicans  Horse with no Name   Sep-19-11 10:18 AM   # 
  - Ferget the Ds & Rs, it's the Cs.....  blindpig   Sep-19-11 10:44 AM   #41 
  - Then, we need a new party  FiveGoodMen   Sep-19-11 05:00 PM   #55 
  - The Third Way Democratic agenda IS the Republican agenda  woo me with science   Sep-19-11 10:18 AM   #31 
     - For those that are willfully blind to the COC agenda, link below for their "jobs" plan  Dragonfli   Sep-19-11 05:40 PM   #58 
        - Thank you. nt  woo me with science   Sep-19-11 08:26 PM   #66 
  - I am waiting for the hard core Obama Chess players to defend this  DontTreadOnMe   Sep-19-11 06:49 AM   #2 
  - It does not make any difference where the cuts are whether it  INdemo   Sep-19-11 07:15 AM   #5 
  - Wait, what?  JNelson6563   Sep-19-11 07:15 AM   #6 
  - My first link is one of 814 similar articles that were on Google News this morning.  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 07:23 AM   #9 
  - Only Nixon could go to China..  Fumesucker   Sep-19-11 07:22 AM   #7 
  - "This can't be spun."  vi5   Sep-19-11 07:23 AM   #8 
  - Garbage! Its cuts to providers - not recipients!  banned from Kos   Sep-19-11 07:29 AM   #10 
  - Now ya see, there ya go . . . .  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 08:01 AM   #13 
  - link that you want ---  banned from Kos   Sep-19-11 08:11 AM   #15 
  - No argument. The issue is that he is selling this as "cuts to Medicare and Medicaid"  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 09:58 AM   #23 
  - Great. Now less doctors will see Medicare recipients. Overpayments is a straw man. There is some  jtown1123   Sep-19-11 10:01 AM   #25 
  - You're right.  pecwae   Sep-20-11 07:02 AM   #87 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-11 05:20 PM   #57 
  - The grand bargain almost assures social security and Medicare will be on the chopping  indepat   Sep-19-11 07:16 PM   #65 
  - word...  adhd_what_huh   Sep-19-11 09:27 AM   #22 
  - Denial is not a substitute for an argument.  woo me with science   Sep-19-11 10:15 AM   #30 
  - That is the lie that the entire scheme will rely on  Horse with no Name   Sep-19-11 10:22 AM   #35 
  - I guarantee you will not get an answer to your question.  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 11:16 AM   #43 
  - uh... kudos to Kos.  inna   Sep-19-11 10:07 PM   #71 
  - This doesn't sound so bad.  newfie11   Sep-19-11 07:30 AM   #11 
  - The details don't matter bnearly so much as him putting the programs in the same "cutter upper" . .  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 08:03 AM   #14 
     - Obama may end up de-electrifying the third rail by shorting through his own legacy..  Fumesucker   Sep-19-11 08:13 AM   #16 
  - I long suspected  undergroundpanther   Sep-19-11 08:13 AM   #17 
  - well just wait and see how this country will be when we have Perry or Mitt with a GOP Congress.  WI_DEM   Sep-19-11 08:15 AM   #18 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-19-11 08:17 AM   #19 
  - I can't figure out why he returned the Paul Ryan gift.  Vinca   Sep-19-11 08:25 AM   #20 
  - there wasn't much complaining about health insurance reform act  alc   Sep-19-11 08:51 AM   #21 
  - what term was it clinton did welfare reform and nafta? did anyone vote him second term? nt  seabeyond   Sep-19-11 10:01 AM   #24 
  - Good point. Both signed his first term.  AtomicKitten   Sep-19-11 05:13 PM   #56 
     - yup. i remember that. thanks for the confirmation  seabeyond   Sep-19-11 06:37 PM   #61 
  - He is talking about waste and fraud, not benefits  Motown_Johnny   Sep-19-11 10:05 AM   #26 
  - You must be joking.  EFerrari   Sep-19-11 10:09 AM   #27 
  - In fact, the Super Congress has language that prohibits cuts to beneficiaries too. n/t  Sheepshank   Sep-19-11 10:11 AM   #28 
  - Nope. Only in the case of the trigger. Cuts to providers are cuts to beneficiaries anways.  jtown1123   Sep-19-11 10:25 AM   #37 
  - Oh please.  woo me with science   Sep-19-11 10:13 AM   #29 
  - You read the OP and then ran someplace else with the central point  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 10:40 AM   #40 
  - Obama Deficit Plan Delivers Bold Clash Of Visions  ProSense   Sep-19-11 10:19 AM   #32 
  - Congratulations you TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 10:24 AM   #36 
     - No,  ProSense   Sep-19-11 10:27 AM   #38 
        - I always laugh at you.  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 11:13 AM   #42 
           - Hmmm?  ProSense   Sep-19-11 11:25 AM   #45 
           - No, you're twisting what was said. Nice try, though.  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 11:44 AM   #47 
              - Hmmm?  ProSense   Sep-19-11 11:59 AM   #50 
                 - "Does that hurt?"  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 12:27 PM   #52 
           - Hmmm?  Bluebear   Sep-20-11 12:44 AM   #81 
  - Did you just catch the "out" in his live speech a minute ago? He just  bullwinkle428   Sep-19-11 10:19 AM   #33 
  - He wants to cut it. He came into his Presidency planning to cut it. Just like Republicans,  woo me with science   Sep-19-11 10:22 AM   #34 
  - It's not even subtle. He is saying outright that Medicare is on the chopping block.  woo me with science   Sep-19-11 10:30 AM   #39 
     - wow, thank you very much for the recap.  inna   Sep-20-11 01:05 AM   #83 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-11 11:16 AM   #44 
  - It doesn't matter what the 'cuts' are because  zalinda   Sep-19-11 11:27 AM   #46 
  - Very true  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 11:46 AM   #48 
  - Now  ProSense   Sep-19-11 12:01 PM   #51 
  - K&R.  William769   Sep-19-11 11:47 AM   #49 
  - Man, some people really don't want to hear this FACT  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 04:14 PM   #53 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Sep-19-11 04:30 PM   #54 
  - K&R nt  Raine   Sep-19-11 05:48 PM   #59 
  - knr nt  slipslidingaway   Sep-19-11 05:58 PM   #60 
  - Just for the record . . . .  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 07:00 PM   #62 
  - I know. GD will rec ANYTHING  Number23   Sep-19-11 07:11 PM   #63 
     - haha  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 09:19 PM   #68 
     - do an experiment and post anything  inna   Sep-20-11 12:55 AM   #82 
        - You comb through GD just LOOKING for something to get up in arms about, don't you?  Number23   Sep-20-11 02:38 AM   #85 
           - ?  inna   Sep-21-11 05:21 AM   #88 
  - Just in the nick of time to be refuted by what he said today.  cliffordu   Sep-19-11 07:12 PM   #64 
  - What did he say today that changes the crux of the OP?  Stinky The Clown   Sep-19-11 09:18 PM   #67 
     - Except the part where you claim he cut medicare.  cliffordu   Sep-20-11 01:10 AM   #84 
  - I really liked how you framed your argument.  Major Hogwash   Sep-19-11 09:40 PM   #69 
  - I'm with you. These hokus-pokus big packages that mix and match  sad sally   Sep-19-11 09:58 PM   #70 
  - kr  inna   Sep-19-11 10:10 PM   #72 
  - Believe it or not, articulating facts that you are uncomfortake with is not "spinning."  BzaDem   Sep-19-11 10:14 PM   #73 
  - "if we had single payer, the cuts providers would be facing would be orders of magnitude higher."  inna   Sep-19-11 10:29 PM   #75 
     - That is 100% false. Doctors get paid much less in single payer countries than they do in America.  BzaDem   Sep-19-11 10:48 PM   #76 
        - "by FAR the biggest effect on healthcare costs come from providers" - absolutely false,  inna   Sep-19-11 10:53 PM   #77 
           - Insurance company profit and overhead makes up FOUR PERCENT of national healthcare expenditures.  BzaDem   Sep-19-11 10:55 PM   #78 
  - K&R  latebloomer   Sep-19-11 10:22 PM   #74 
  - Why not? n/t  Cerridwen   Sep-19-11 10:58 PM   #79 
  - He hasn't done a damn thing to medicare and I would bet you $100 that benefits  Maraya1969   Sep-20-11 12:37 AM   #80 
     - Lol  Bluebear   Sep-20-11 03:28 AM   #86 
 

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