PurityOfEssence
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Sat Sep-17-11 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 86. This actually shows us both to be a bit off-base, and shows a rather even split. |
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General Discussion is a much more hostile forum to the President, though, so it would be interesting to see polls from General Discussion Presidency.
We both engaged in a bit of hyperbole, and my assertion that DU was overwhelmingly for it takes a hit here, but these polls truly contradict your claim that "DU was against aiding them, overwhelmingly", and still shows DU skewing for the war.
Poll 1: March 18th: 23 for war, 20 against
Poll 2: March 20: 30 for war, 40 against
Poll 3: This was done on March 2nd, well before the hysterical claims of a Benghazi massacre had been used to gin up war fever, so I do not feel that this should be included.
Poll 4: March 20th: 150 for war, 155 against, 6 "other" pretty much dead even
Poll 5: March 20th: 128 for war, 171 against
Poll 6: This was in late August, so is not representative. It is decidedly against, though, so it runs contrary to my assertion that DU is still for it.
Poll 7: Inapplicable; it posits what kind of government will emerge.
Poll 8: March 22: The only poll that directly addresses your point of whether DU is for or against. These people seem to be a bit wiser than either of us, with 47% saying that DU is Divided, 18% saying that DU supports the war and 0% saying that DU is against it. This should be considered as for the war.
Poll 9: This inapplicable; it's about the duration of the war.
Poll 10: March 18th: 38 for war, 21 against and 3 undecided. That's 61% for, 34% against.
So let's recap:
You clip and post 10 polls, of which only 7 are applicable to addressing the assertion of whether DU is for or against the war. Three of them show DU for the war, three of them show it to be against it and one is a dead heat (#4) with a large sampling, so it should be considered effectively a tie; some of the "other" voters in that poll stated that in some circumstances they could be for action.
My assertion of DU being overwhelmingly for the war does not hold up when seeing these, but your contrary one doesn't either. Using a poll from March 2nd is far too premature; none of the hysteria about black mercenaries and "genocide" had been brought up yet
Do you really expect people to not read what you post? These are all from General Discussion, too, which is not as friendly a forum to the President as General Discussion Presidency.
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| -BLOODY RACISM is the hallmark of new Libya as their forces relentlessly obliterate all opposition |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 08:07 PM |
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The NATO-backed rebels are essentially committing genocide against blacks in Libya |
Cali_Democrat |
Sep-16-11 08:12 PM |
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A spokesperson in Britain for NATO was asked about it yesterday |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-16-11 08:28 PM |
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Very true: NATO can only act if one of its members is attacked |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:44 AM |
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Lalalalalalalalalalalala can't hear you lalalalalalalalalalalalala. nt |
kelly1mm |
Sep-16-11 08:37 PM |
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And if anyone doubts who's going to be in charge in Libya, there is this: |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-16-11 08:41 PM |
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Excellent points, Sabrina. n/t |
chill_wind |
Sep-17-11 09:46 AM |
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Too much wild celebration going on. even here. |
Zax2me |
Sep-16-11 08:47 PM |
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What distrubs is the wild shooting-up of each city they seek to "liberate" from the mad clutches |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 09:36 PM |
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According to some, this destruction is good. How can that make any sense? |
sad sally |
Sep-16-11 10:50 PM |
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The rebels liberated Libya! It's what the people wanted! It's all good. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Sep-16-11 08:51 PM |
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So who else isn't surprised by this? Did we really expect any less from NATO? |
white_wolf |
Sep-16-11 08:57 PM |
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Did Lenin write an essay on transfer of power under communism from one leader to the next? |
Boojatta |
Sep-16-11 09:42 PM |
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Lenin wrote a lot. For his views on government. I suggest the April Thesis. |
white_wolf |
Sep-16-11 10:01 PM |
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China has written some books on this. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 09:27 AM |
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Do you think the caricature in the OP is an accurate portrayal of the rebels? |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:37 PM |
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Hardly Islamaphobie. Though I do have NATOphobie. |
white_wolf |
Sep-16-11 10:56 PM |
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So you do not believe the caricature in the OP? |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:59 PM |
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So you're tarring this poster as a hater of Islam |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:54 AM |
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No, it is a fact. Calling "bloody racism" the "hallmark" of the revolution... |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:02 AM |
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I don't know what that has to do with me as I never posted in that thread you linked. |
white_wolf |
Sep-17-11 12:39 PM |
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Don't worry. Some posters go after anyone that contradicts the propaganda line |
Distant Observer |
Sep-18-11 01:06 PM |
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k&r |
Liberal_in_LA |
Sep-16-11 08:58 PM |
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confused about this |
riverwalker |
Sep-16-11 09:45 PM |
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It's mostly made up nonsense and fearmongering. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 09:54 PM |
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You have been denying facts since the killings and rapes in Benghazi in the beginning |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:05 PM |
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That is patently false, I have not denied one report. I merely do not believe it is systematic. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:16 PM |
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How many people do you know in the region? Do you know anything outside of western propaganda? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:32 PM |
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Tell that to the thousands dead and the 10's of thousands who are fleeing the rebel onslaught |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 05:49 AM |
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If you're claiming "thousands of dead" you really need a link |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 05:54 AM |
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Link added, but who knows how many. My calls to friends suggests many deaths in every city that has |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 06:15 AM |
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None of the mass graves have yet to have black African's. All of them appear to be anti-Gaddafi. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:30 AM |
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This is a blatant falsehood. And you should know better. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 07:52 AM |
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Provide one credible source. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:53 AM |
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"Credible?" By that do you mean Anti-Gaddafi source whose goal is to scrub any counter evidence? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 08:49 AM |
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The raping of black women and the rounding up of black people |
EFerrari |
Sep-16-11 10:09 PM |
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Every event known is in the Libyan Revolution thread, as far back as March. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:18 PM |
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You meen events acknowledged even by Western media - most have not been reported |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:27 PM |
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That is false, the events are reported. Most of your reports are as much as a... |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:30 PM |
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Do you ever ask why the few civilian deaths from Nato bombs are of rebels and their supporters |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:40 PM |
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Can you have a discussion without making things personal? Because I don't have time for this. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:44 PM |
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Might be time to save the Syrians, or the Bahraini, or the Congolese. The Libyans are now "FREE" |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:48 PM |
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Have you never resorted to personal slurs to support your cause? |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:40 AM |
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Not usually. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:52 AM |
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hahahahahahahahahahhaha! |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:09 AM |
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I stick to facts, I cannot say the same for others. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:13 AM |
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When repeatedly shown the FACTS of the UN Participation Act, you repeatedly dodged and denied |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 11:27 AM |
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Qaddafi was NOT a xenophopic racist; the rebels, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with this |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:04 AM |
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"Qaddafi, for all his many faults, seems to be rather color blind." |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:10 AM |
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There is a wide rage of cultures and skin colors in Libya including non-arab and non-Euro Libyans |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:11 PM |
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k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-16-11 09:49 PM |
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Half of them wanted to kill Qaddafi because they thought he was Jewish. nt |
Bonobo |
Sep-16-11 09:52 PM |
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I've seen no reports of "kill the Jews" graffiti following the rebels |
EFerrari |
Sep-16-11 10:18 PM |
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But there were reports of "Gaddafi - Secret Jew" graffiti in Benghazi and such at the beginning |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:29 PM |
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Mission Accomplished |
inwiththenew |
Sep-16-11 10:00 PM |
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K&R |
EFerrari |
Sep-16-11 10:07 PM |
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The Libya VICTORY could be Obama's bloody African legacy if he looses 2012 |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 11:21 PM |
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Why was there so little DU protest at the beginning of this mess? |
mainer |
Sep-17-11 06:56 AM |
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Arab Spring... |
blindpig |
Sep-17-11 07:08 AM |
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Huh? DU was vehemently against aiding the rebellion from the start. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:13 AM |
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You forgot... |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 07:18 AM |
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Oh, who could forget? |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:24 AM |
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I think... |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 07:33 AM |
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Indeed. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:54 AM |
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As usual, you provide a special perspective that others have not appreciated |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 07:25 AM |
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Did you not read what I wrote? DU was against aiding them, overwhelmingly. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:28 AM |
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Indeed. |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 08:00 AM |
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Bullshit. Prove it. The overwhelming view here was that Obama was right and we should wage war |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:25 AM |
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Sure. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:34 AM |
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This actually shows us both to be a bit off-base, and shows a rather even split. |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 12:42 PM |
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What a ridiculous crock of shit |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:20 AM |
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No, that's false. Go back. My journal is a full history. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:24 AM |
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Well said. As in Libya, majority opinion was overwhelmed by minority rhetorical vehemence |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 11:02 AM |
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Right the fuck on. |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-17-11 02:21 PM |
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Bingo. nt. |
polly7 |
Sep-17-11 02:25 PM |
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Go back and look: there was considerable dissent |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:14 AM |
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Oh there was. And they were hurled at and labeled "Ghadafi-lovers" |
chill_wind |
Sep-17-11 10:36 AM |
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I think initially when Libyans first started protesting |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 12:22 PM |
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Excellent post |
malaise |
Sep-17-11 08:07 AM |
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Problem is, 99% of the racism is probably coming from just the jihadis...... |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 08:08 AM |
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Why do you say "Gadaffy hated blacks"? |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 08:15 AM |
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Because truth does not matter in the propaganda war. Statement is a total falsehood. But who cares? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 08:34 AM |
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Human Rights Watch has reports of gaddafis treatment of black Africans |
Cerridwen |
Sep-17-11 10:55 AM |
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I tried, but gave up trying to find evidence there that Gadaffy hates blacks. |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 03:23 PM |
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I haven't a clue who gaddafi *hates*. his record appears to indicate he'll |
Cerridwen |
Sep-17-11 03:29 PM |
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Any actual facts? Or just the usual selective propaganda against tyrants we don't control |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 06:39 PM |
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Do try to keep up. My post just above the one you chose has HRW info. |
Cerridwen |
Sep-17-11 06:46 PM |
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Thanks for the info. n/t |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 03:27 PM |
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You sound like a Republican. |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 03:34 PM |
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Libya and Africa: Pogrom |
BOG PERSON |
Sep-17-11 01:20 PM |
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Gangs attacked black Africans; security forces intervened. How does this show Gaddafy hates blacks? |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 04:20 PM |
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How ironic. Obama putting genocidal power behind the notoriously racist Benghazi militants |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 04:44 PM |
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Here's a little quote from the 'Green Book': |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 03:26 PM |
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This is akin to a religious argument when talking about "real rebels" |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:33 AM |
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Stop, you're messing with the "Liberation" narrative. |
marmar |
Sep-17-11 08:51 AM |
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time to pay attention.. K&R |
G_j |
Sep-17-11 10:53 AM |
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Here is Human Rights Watch |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 11:39 AM |
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It's the bloody Western sponsored civil war that has been negative. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 12:21 PM |
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How did you feel about the Iraq adventure? Was that positive |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 12:30 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 12:53 PM |
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You didn't answer the question. So I'll phrase differently |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:01 PM |
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Um, |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 01:09 PM |
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Here are some obvious, glaring similarities. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:21 PM |
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Um |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 01:55 PM |
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Um, anyone who doesn't know what Qadaffi was threatening |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 02:18 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 02:23 PM |
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They didn't invade Iraq either, they liberated it, remember? |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 02:34 PM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 04:59 PM |
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I supported the Libyan protestors, BEFORE NATO got involved. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 07:11 PM |
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The extent to which you have internalized the practice of doublethink terrifies and astonishes me.nt |
sudopod |
Sep-18-11 10:30 PM |
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The extent to which you have internalized the practice of doublethink terrifies and astonishes me.nt |
sudopod |
Sep-18-11 10:30 PM |
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Would Iraq have been better off with Saddam? |
sudopod |
Sep-18-11 10:29 PM |
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There is no negative spin needed if you happen to be black in Libya. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-17-11 12:44 PM |
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More details in Amnesty International 112-page report (September 13) |
chill_wind |
Sep-17-11 12:32 PM |
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Even if you would 'pray' daily for any gaddafi to return to power: won't happen. |
Amonester |
Sep-17-11 12:57 PM |
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And we 'loved Saddam' too. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:07 PM |
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That's not what my 'won't happen' means. |
Amonester |
Sep-17-11 01:19 PM |
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'Dream on' and 'pray daily' |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:55 PM |
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I realize all you have in your philosophical toolbox is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-11 05:31 AM |
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Well I don't know about you, but I was told I wanted to have Saddam's babies! |
polly7 |
Sep-19-11 05:42 AM |
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What is the bizzare Western fixation on Gaddafi. How much hatred and blood over this obsession. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 01:41 PM |
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OIL! |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 02:20 PM |
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R2P: Right to Petroleum |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:24 PM |
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It has proven to be a highly effective propaganda strategy. |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 04:34 PM |
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So if you obect to lynchings, you're a Gaddafi lover? Really? n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-17-11 01:47 PM |
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How does raising awareness of Racist Genocide equate to... |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 04:47 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-17-11 02:31 PM |
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BBC Report just re-confirmed systematic rape and murder of blacks by NTC forces in Tripoli |
Distant Observer |
Sep-18-11 10:16 PM |
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It's a Bad Time to be a Black man in Libya |
polly7 |
Sep-19-11 01:13 AM |
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and I would guess, even worse to be a Black woman... |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 05:16 PM |
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How "humanitarian" of NATO... |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 02:26 AM |
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I'm betting you're Serbian, "distant observer" aren't you? |
Whats_Happening |
Sep-19-11 03:08 AM |
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Kosovo - Libya ?? Thank goodness you could connect them with the word |
polly7 |
Sep-19-11 05:34 AM |
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So sometimes PNAC plans are good, and othertimes they're bad... |
court jester |
Sep-19-11 08:57 AM |
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thanks for that reminder of more NATO "freedom fighting"...nt. |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 03:29 PM |
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BBC: Libya conflict: Black African migrants caught in backlash |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-11 05:27 AM |
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Amnesty: Libyan rebels may be guilty of war crimes |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-11 06:39 AM |
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NO NO NO! We couldn't be supproting groups that routinely murder, rape, torture and lie. Could we? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-19-11 08:21 AM |
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Black genocide in Libya - why the silence? |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 03:06 PM |
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Whether it is Georgia or Libya: Bad time to be a black man |
Distant Observer |
Sep-21-11 05:10 PM |
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Prisons grow as rebels pursue their enemies and questions arise about the missing |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-11 04:06 PM |
#137 |