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Fri Sep-16-11 10:44 PM
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| 30. Can you have a discussion without making things personal? Because I don't have time for this. |
| -BLOODY RACISM is the hallmark of new Libya as their forces relentlessly obliterate all opposition |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 08:07 PM |
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The NATO-backed rebels are essentially committing genocide against blacks in Libya |
Cali_Democrat |
Sep-16-11 08:12 PM |
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A spokesperson in Britain for NATO was asked about it yesterday |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-16-11 08:28 PM |
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Very true: NATO can only act if one of its members is attacked |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:44 AM |
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Lalalalalalalalalalalala can't hear you lalalalalalalalalalalalala. nt |
kelly1mm |
Sep-16-11 08:37 PM |
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And if anyone doubts who's going to be in charge in Libya, there is this: |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-16-11 08:41 PM |
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Excellent points, Sabrina. n/t |
chill_wind |
Sep-17-11 09:46 AM |
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Too much wild celebration going on. even here. |
Zax2me |
Sep-16-11 08:47 PM |
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What distrubs is the wild shooting-up of each city they seek to "liberate" from the mad clutches |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 09:36 PM |
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According to some, this destruction is good. How can that make any sense? |
sad sally |
Sep-16-11 10:50 PM |
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The rebels liberated Libya! It's what the people wanted! It's all good. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Sep-16-11 08:51 PM |
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So who else isn't surprised by this? Did we really expect any less from NATO? |
white_wolf |
Sep-16-11 08:57 PM |
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Did Lenin write an essay on transfer of power under communism from one leader to the next? |
Boojatta |
Sep-16-11 09:42 PM |
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Lenin wrote a lot. For his views on government. I suggest the April Thesis. |
white_wolf |
Sep-16-11 10:01 PM |
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China has written some books on this. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 09:27 AM |
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Do you think the caricature in the OP is an accurate portrayal of the rebels? |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:37 PM |
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Hardly Islamaphobie. Though I do have NATOphobie. |
white_wolf |
Sep-16-11 10:56 PM |
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So you do not believe the caricature in the OP? |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:59 PM |
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So you're tarring this poster as a hater of Islam |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:54 AM |
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No, it is a fact. Calling "bloody racism" the "hallmark" of the revolution... |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:02 AM |
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I don't know what that has to do with me as I never posted in that thread you linked. |
white_wolf |
Sep-17-11 12:39 PM |
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Don't worry. Some posters go after anyone that contradicts the propaganda line |
Distant Observer |
Sep-18-11 01:06 PM |
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k&r |
Liberal_in_LA |
Sep-16-11 08:58 PM |
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confused about this |
riverwalker |
Sep-16-11 09:45 PM |
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It's mostly made up nonsense and fearmongering. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 09:54 PM |
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You have been denying facts since the killings and rapes in Benghazi in the beginning |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:05 PM |
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That is patently false, I have not denied one report. I merely do not believe it is systematic. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:16 PM |
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How many people do you know in the region? Do you know anything outside of western propaganda? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:32 PM |
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Tell that to the thousands dead and the 10's of thousands who are fleeing the rebel onslaught |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 05:49 AM |
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If you're claiming "thousands of dead" you really need a link |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 05:54 AM |
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Link added, but who knows how many. My calls to friends suggests many deaths in every city that has |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 06:15 AM |
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None of the mass graves have yet to have black African's. All of them appear to be anti-Gaddafi. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:30 AM |
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This is a blatant falsehood. And you should know better. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 07:52 AM |
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Provide one credible source. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:53 AM |
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"Credible?" By that do you mean Anti-Gaddafi source whose goal is to scrub any counter evidence? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 08:49 AM |
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The raping of black women and the rounding up of black people |
EFerrari |
Sep-16-11 10:09 PM |
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Every event known is in the Libyan Revolution thread, as far back as March. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:18 PM |
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You meen events acknowledged even by Western media - most have not been reported |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:27 PM |
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That is false, the events are reported. Most of your reports are as much as a... |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:30 PM |
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Do you ever ask why the few civilian deaths from Nato bombs are of rebels and their supporters |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:40 PM |
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Can you have a discussion without making things personal? Because I don't have time for this. |
joshcryer |
Sep-16-11 10:44 PM |
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Might be time to save the Syrians, or the Bahraini, or the Congolese. The Libyans are now "FREE" |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:48 PM |
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Have you never resorted to personal slurs to support your cause? |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:40 AM |
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Not usually. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:52 AM |
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hahahahahahahahahahhaha! |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:09 AM |
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I stick to facts, I cannot say the same for others. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:13 AM |
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When repeatedly shown the FACTS of the UN Participation Act, you repeatedly dodged and denied |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 11:27 AM |
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Qaddafi was NOT a xenophopic racist; the rebels, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with this |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:04 AM |
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"Qaddafi, for all his many faults, seems to be rather color blind." |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:10 AM |
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There is a wide rage of cultures and skin colors in Libya including non-arab and non-Euro Libyans |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:11 PM |
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k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-16-11 09:49 PM |
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Half of them wanted to kill Qaddafi because they thought he was Jewish. nt |
Bonobo |
Sep-16-11 09:52 PM |
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I've seen no reports of "kill the Jews" graffiti following the rebels |
EFerrari |
Sep-16-11 10:18 PM |
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But there were reports of "Gaddafi - Secret Jew" graffiti in Benghazi and such at the beginning |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 10:29 PM |
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Mission Accomplished |
inwiththenew |
Sep-16-11 10:00 PM |
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K&R |
EFerrari |
Sep-16-11 10:07 PM |
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The Libya VICTORY could be Obama's bloody African legacy if he looses 2012 |
Distant Observer |
Sep-16-11 11:21 PM |
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Why was there so little DU protest at the beginning of this mess? |
mainer |
Sep-17-11 06:56 AM |
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Arab Spring... |
blindpig |
Sep-17-11 07:08 AM |
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Huh? DU was vehemently against aiding the rebellion from the start. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:13 AM |
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You forgot... |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 07:18 AM |
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Oh, who could forget? |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:24 AM |
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I think... |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 07:33 AM |
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Indeed. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:54 AM |
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As usual, you provide a special perspective that others have not appreciated |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 07:25 AM |
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Did you not read what I wrote? DU was against aiding them, overwhelmingly. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 07:28 AM |
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Indeed. |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-17-11 08:00 AM |
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Bullshit. Prove it. The overwhelming view here was that Obama was right and we should wage war |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:25 AM |
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Sure. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:34 AM |
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This actually shows us both to be a bit off-base, and shows a rather even split. |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 12:42 PM |
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What a ridiculous crock of shit |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:20 AM |
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No, that's false. Go back. My journal is a full history. |
joshcryer |
Sep-17-11 08:24 AM |
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Well said. As in Libya, majority opinion was overwhelmed by minority rhetorical vehemence |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 11:02 AM |
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Right the fuck on. |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-17-11 02:21 PM |
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Bingo. nt. |
polly7 |
Sep-17-11 02:25 PM |
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Go back and look: there was considerable dissent |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:14 AM |
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Oh there was. And they were hurled at and labeled "Ghadafi-lovers" |
chill_wind |
Sep-17-11 10:36 AM |
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I think initially when Libyans first started protesting |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 12:22 PM |
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Excellent post |
malaise |
Sep-17-11 08:07 AM |
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Problem is, 99% of the racism is probably coming from just the jihadis...... |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 08:08 AM |
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Why do you say "Gadaffy hated blacks"? |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 08:15 AM |
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Because truth does not matter in the propaganda war. Statement is a total falsehood. But who cares? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 08:34 AM |
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Human Rights Watch has reports of gaddafis treatment of black Africans |
Cerridwen |
Sep-17-11 10:55 AM |
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I tried, but gave up trying to find evidence there that Gadaffy hates blacks. |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 03:23 PM |
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I haven't a clue who gaddafi *hates*. his record appears to indicate he'll |
Cerridwen |
Sep-17-11 03:29 PM |
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Any actual facts? Or just the usual selective propaganda against tyrants we don't control |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 06:39 PM |
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Do try to keep up. My post just above the one you chose has HRW info. |
Cerridwen |
Sep-17-11 06:46 PM |
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Thanks for the info. n/t |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 03:27 PM |
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You sound like a Republican. |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 03:34 PM |
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Libya and Africa: Pogrom |
BOG PERSON |
Sep-17-11 01:20 PM |
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Gangs attacked black Africans; security forces intervened. How does this show Gaddafy hates blacks? |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 04:20 PM |
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How ironic. Obama putting genocidal power behind the notoriously racist Benghazi militants |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 04:44 PM |
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Here's a little quote from the 'Green Book': |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-17-11 03:26 PM |
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This is akin to a religious argument when talking about "real rebels" |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 08:33 AM |
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Stop, you're messing with the "Liberation" narrative. |
marmar |
Sep-17-11 08:51 AM |
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time to pay attention.. K&R |
G_j |
Sep-17-11 10:53 AM |
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Here is Human Rights Watch |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 11:39 AM |
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It's the bloody Western sponsored civil war that has been negative. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 12:21 PM |
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How did you feel about the Iraq adventure? Was that positive |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 12:30 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 12:53 PM |
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You didn't answer the question. So I'll phrase differently |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:01 PM |
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Um, |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 01:09 PM |
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Here are some obvious, glaring similarities. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:21 PM |
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Um |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 01:55 PM |
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Um, anyone who doesn't know what Qadaffi was threatening |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 02:18 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 02:23 PM |
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They didn't invade Iraq either, they liberated it, remember? |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 02:34 PM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
Sep-17-11 04:59 PM |
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I supported the Libyan protestors, BEFORE NATO got involved. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 07:11 PM |
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The extent to which you have internalized the practice of doublethink terrifies and astonishes me.nt |
sudopod |
Sep-18-11 10:30 PM |
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The extent to which you have internalized the practice of doublethink terrifies and astonishes me.nt |
sudopod |
Sep-18-11 10:30 PM |
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Would Iraq have been better off with Saddam? |
sudopod |
Sep-18-11 10:29 PM |
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There is no negative spin needed if you happen to be black in Libya. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-17-11 12:44 PM |
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More details in Amnesty International 112-page report (September 13) |
chill_wind |
Sep-17-11 12:32 PM |
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Even if you would 'pray' daily for any gaddafi to return to power: won't happen. |
Amonester |
Sep-17-11 12:57 PM |
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And we 'loved Saddam' too. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:07 PM |
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That's not what my 'won't happen' means. |
Amonester |
Sep-17-11 01:19 PM |
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'Dream on' and 'pray daily' |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 01:55 PM |
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I realize all you have in your philosophical toolbox is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-11 05:31 AM |
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Well I don't know about you, but I was told I wanted to have Saddam's babies! |
polly7 |
Sep-19-11 05:42 AM |
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What is the bizzare Western fixation on Gaddafi. How much hatred and blood over this obsession. |
Distant Observer |
Sep-17-11 01:41 PM |
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OIL! |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-17-11 02:20 PM |
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R2P: Right to Petroleum |
PurityOfEssence |
Sep-17-11 07:24 PM |
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It has proven to be a highly effective propaganda strategy. |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-17-11 04:34 PM |
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So if you obect to lynchings, you're a Gaddafi lover? Really? n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-17-11 01:47 PM |
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How does raising awareness of Racist Genocide equate to... |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 04:47 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-17-11 02:31 PM |
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BBC Report just re-confirmed systematic rape and murder of blacks by NTC forces in Tripoli |
Distant Observer |
Sep-18-11 10:16 PM |
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It's a Bad Time to be a Black man in Libya |
polly7 |
Sep-19-11 01:13 AM |
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and I would guess, even worse to be a Black woman... |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 05:16 PM |
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How "humanitarian" of NATO... |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 02:26 AM |
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I'm betting you're Serbian, "distant observer" aren't you? |
Whats_Happening |
Sep-19-11 03:08 AM |
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Kosovo - Libya ?? Thank goodness you could connect them with the word |
polly7 |
Sep-19-11 05:34 AM |
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So sometimes PNAC plans are good, and othertimes they're bad... |
court jester |
Sep-19-11 08:57 AM |
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thanks for that reminder of more NATO "freedom fighting"...nt. |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 03:29 PM |
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BBC: Libya conflict: Black African migrants caught in backlash |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-11 05:27 AM |
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Amnesty: Libyan rebels may be guilty of war crimes |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-11 06:39 AM |
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NO NO NO! We couldn't be supproting groups that routinely murder, rape, torture and lie. Could we? |
Distant Observer |
Sep-19-11 08:21 AM |
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Black genocide in Libya - why the silence? |
countryjake |
Sep-19-11 03:06 PM |
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Whether it is Georgia or Libya: Bad time to be a black man |
Distant Observer |
Sep-21-11 05:10 PM |
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Prisons grow as rebels pursue their enemies and questions arise about the missing |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-11 04:06 PM |
#137 |
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