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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 05:32 PM
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95. I remember seeng this live on the day it happened and on a
couple of the replays later that day. Since 9/11/01 I've only see photos of the "jumpers" on right wing sites, usually as part of their ghoulish "celebration", sorry, I mean memorial of that day. I've never seen any photos or clips on any progressive or reasonable sites. In fact on Sunday my wife and I were discussing this aspect of 9/11. No one who writes about the events that day seems to ever mention this even or those people.

I have no idea what I'd do under similar circumstances or why people jumped ir of they were forced out of windows due to the blast. But I'm glad people other than right wing propagandists have written about this aspect of 9/11.
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  -This is a rare article on the "jumpers" of 911: Warning for those who might be offended hlthe2b  Sep-12-11 05:22 PM   #0 
  - I think they were very courageous, in a situation most of us can hardly even imagine.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-12-11 05:43 PM   #1 
  - Same here.  demosincebirth   Sep-12-11 05:56 PM   #7 
  - ++++1  spanone   Sep-12-11 06:56 PM   #22 
  - i agree. nt  seabeyond   Sep-13-11 08:40 AM   #44 
  - Given a choice between slowly burning to death or dying quickly from falling impact...  LAGC   Sep-12-11 05:44 PM   #2 
  - I would not have wanted to endure those ten seconds  lapislzi   Sep-13-11 11:02 AM   #66 
  - Anyone trapped on the upper floors who did NOT jump is irrational.  dmallind   Sep-12-11 05:45 PM   #3 
  - That's a little harsh. They were in an irrational situation.  Bucky   Sep-12-11 06:17 PM   #10 
  - Not really judging - irrationality in extremis is hardly a personality flaw  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:38 AM   #55 
  - Easy for you to decide, typing on your computer in comfort 10 years after the event.  Nye Bevan   Sep-12-11 07:02 PM   #23 
  - No it's easy any time. I'm a damn sight closer to that situation than you would guess. nt  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:34 AM   #54 
  - I think every human has the right to determine their own  MadMaddie   Sep-12-11 08:40 PM   #28 
  - there was a story about an able bodied man who sat with someone  roguevalley   Sep-12-11 08:54 PM   #30 
  - Surely. I do irrational things all the time. We all do.  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:41 AM   #56 
  - Really? You're going to play armchair QB over this one?  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 12:38 PM   #70 
  - I can understand why that term is not used  Generic Other   Sep-12-11 05:48 PM   #4 
  - This is poignant, not offensive.  murielm99   Sep-12-11 05:48 PM   #5 
  - I thought of that too.  Withywindle   Sep-13-11 12:24 AM   #36 
  - I think they jumped in the hope they would find a better situation.  Alameda   Sep-13-11 12:18 PM   #68 
  - I had a hard time finishing the Nation's article  demosincebirth   Sep-12-11 05:53 PM   #6 
  - I can't even begin. nt  The Midway Rebel   Sep-12-11 06:03 PM   #8 
  - Thank you for the description  jberryhill   Sep-12-11 06:08 PM   #9 
  - Oh god, I am just destroyed by this article and picture!  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-12-11 06:18 PM   #11 
  - Very sensitively written, still a difficult read.  dixiegrrrrl   Sep-12-11 06:21 PM   #12 
  - I think a copy should be sent to every member and supporter of PNAC with a note  peacetalksforall   Sep-12-11 06:22 PM   #13 
  - +1  Octafish   Sep-13-11 08:40 AM   #45 
  - kick for later reading  Lil Missy   Sep-12-11 06:25 PM   #14 
  - Thank you.  emilyg   Sep-12-11 06:27 PM   #15 
  - Of course the last line of the article is the best... (small sob)  riderinthestorm   Sep-12-11 06:28 PM   #16 
  - I never for a second considered it  GKirk   Sep-12-11 06:29 PM   #17 
  - Neither did I. Every jumper was murdered by the terrorists, the same as  Common Sense Party   Sep-13-11 05:07 PM   #94 
  - Sure death no matter whether you stay or jump  Raine   Sep-12-11 06:33 PM   #18 
  - the image of the jumpers...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-12-11 06:47 PM   #19 
  - Whether they stayed on the building or jumped, I wouldn't second guess them.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-12-11 06:49 PM   #20 
  - I don't think they had a choice. I think it was instinctive to jump -  lynne   Sep-12-11 06:51 PM   #21 
  - The article is very well done and I'm glad you posted it.  scarletwoman   Sep-12-11 07:08 PM   #24 
  - Thank you for posting this.  REACTIVATED IN CT   Sep-12-11 07:08 PM   #25 
  - There's also an excellent documentary on "the Falling Man"  deutsey   Sep-13-11 10:15 AM   #63 
  - They didn't have a choice of dying. They only had the choice how they were going to die.  no_hypocrisy   Sep-12-11 07:23 PM   #26 
  - +1 n/t  ChazII   Sep-13-11 11:26 PM   #102 
  - powerful and gut wrenching story  FirstLight   Sep-12-11 07:25 PM   #27 
  - Bookmarked to read later. Rec.  tammywammy   Sep-12-11 08:44 PM   #29 
  - How can anyone know?  treestar   Sep-12-11 09:00 PM   #31 
  - Some even attempted to use table cloths .....  1620rock   Sep-12-11 11:52 PM   #33 
     - Also the guy waving the suit jacket  treestar   Sep-13-11 05:41 PM   #96 
  - K&R  amborin   Sep-12-11 11:41 PM   #32 
  - K&R  Jamastiene   Sep-13-11 12:14 AM   #34 
  - I can't imagine the horror of the choice  Broderick   Sep-13-11 12:17 AM   #35 
  - I'm sorry to seem hard-hearted, but jumping was wrong, because of the danger to others  Jim Lane   Sep-13-11 02:49 AM   #37 
  - it wasn't 100 percent choice, you know if you touch something burning hot  JI7   Sep-13-11 02:57 AM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-11 08:10 AM   #41 
  - "they had a moral obligation to consider the danger to others"?  marions ghost   Sep-13-11 08:34 AM   #42 
  - People do make rapid calculations like this in clutch situations...  jberryhill   Sep-13-11 03:36 PM   #84 
     - some do some don't  marions ghost   Sep-14-11 02:19 PM   #112 
        - I'm always surprised at the attribution of opinions and motives that goes on here  jberryhill   Sep-14-11 04:36 PM   #115 
           - "moral math"  marions ghost   Sep-15-11 08:44 AM   #116 
  - i would not be surprised if that consideration did not enter their mind.  seabeyond   Sep-13-11 08:45 AM   #47 
  - Certainly, they had time to consider the ramifications of their  JanMichael   Sep-13-11 09:09 AM   #49 
  - Let's see you 100 stories up in a burning office with no escape.  Connie_Corleone   Sep-13-11 09:13 AM   #50 
  - +100  Myrina   Sep-13-11 04:27 PM   #92 
  - your post is epic fail.  Javaman   Sep-13-11 09:19 AM   #52 
  - Self-delete. If I'm going to object to judgment, I shouldn't do it judgmentally.  GliderGuider   Sep-13-11 09:52 AM   #59 
  - One might have assumed there was also falling debris  jberryhill   Sep-13-11 10:04 AM   #61 
  - It's so much easier to bash me when you ignore what I actually wrote.  Jim Lane   Sep-13-11 02:36 PM   #77 
     - You have an odd definition of "bashing"  jberryhill   Sep-13-11 03:02 PM   #78 
     - I agree that YOU weren't bashing me.  Jim Lane   Sep-13-11 04:51 PM   #93 
     - "If so, it was a failing on their part"  Pithlet   Sep-13-11 03:39 PM   #85 
  - I think that's the last thing these people were thinking about when it happened  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 03:03 PM   #79 
  - Intense heat, smoke and advancing flames behind you  Abq_Sarah   Sep-13-11 04:06 PM   #88 
  - I really don't think they ever considered the possibility they would land on someone.  Capitalocracy   Sep-14-11 02:27 PM   #113 
  - All of the deaths were tragic, but  Are_grits_groceries   Sep-13-11 04:22 AM   #39 
  - Me too.  Javaman   Sep-13-11 09:24 AM   #53 
     - So sorry your loss, Javaman. I had two friends killed that day, one  FailureToCommunicate   Sep-13-11 10:58 AM   #65 
  - Whether they jumped, fell, or stayed in the bldg, they were all murdered...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-13-11 08:04 AM   #40 
  - right  marions ghost   Sep-13-11 08:38 AM   #43 
  - That was a tough read..  disillusioned73   Sep-13-11 08:41 AM   #46 
  - The medical examiner handled this appropriately for legal reasons imo -  TBF   Sep-13-11 09:03 AM   #48 
  - In a dire no-win situation, a jump COULD be viewed as non-suicidal, since  closeupready   Sep-13-11 09:15 AM   #51 
  - Given the choice that behind me was absolute death by fire  Horse with no Name   Sep-13-11 03:47 PM   #87 
  - That happened not long ago here in Buenos Aires.  Capitalocracy   Sep-14-11 02:29 PM   #114 
  - I'm shocked that anyone would judge these people or try to put shame on them.  Waiting For Everyman   Sep-13-11 09:47 AM   #57 
  - We humans have a primal fear of fire  Tom Ripley   Sep-13-11 09:49 AM   #58 
  - I'm in awe of people who were brave enough to let themselves go over the edge.  Arugula Latte   Sep-13-11 09:55 AM   #60 
  - Me too. Somehow they were the human center of the event.  GliderGuider   Sep-13-11 02:31 PM   #75 
     - You speak with beautiful eloquence to this.  hlthe2b   Sep-13-11 02:34 PM   #76 
     - Wow, what a beautiful post.  Arugula Latte   Sep-13-11 03:45 PM   #86 
     - "I would choose to fly"  lapislzi   Sep-13-11 04:13 PM   #91 
  - Indeed a difficult read but one that is  ChazII   Sep-13-11 10:08 AM   #62 
  - +1  deutsey   Sep-13-11 10:38 AM   #64 
  - the guy that wrote this article IS a sadist, "toast" "of course they soon fell"  Demonaut   Sep-13-11 11:03 AM   #67 
  - I think the people who fell from the building had such a profound impact on me  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 12:37 PM   #69 
  - Sometimes I imagine myself looking out through one of those holes in the wall.  GliderGuider   Sep-13-11 01:22 PM   #71 
  - I am glad this is being handled with some dignity & respect.  bvar22   Sep-13-11 01:40 PM   #72 
  - I don't ever want to have to make that choice.  Solly Mack   Sep-13-11 01:43 PM   #73 
  - Boy, the topics don't get any tougher than this...  4_TN_TITANS   Sep-13-11 02:17 PM   #74 
  - I wish we wouldn't call these people 'jumpers'. I just think it's the wrong term  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 03:17 PM   #80 
  - the "Fallen"  hlthe2b   Sep-13-11 03:22 PM   #81 
     - I think the uncomfortableness surrounding this topic is due to the photographs  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 03:31 PM   #83 
  - “They were falling into the arms of God, they really were.” The barbaric, medieval kind of God, IMO.  thereismore   Sep-13-11 03:30 PM   #82 
  - Like most of you, I get choked up again, thinking about the Falling Man, and  closeupready   Sep-13-11 04:09 PM   #89 
  - Speechless..... n/t  Inuca   Sep-13-11 04:11 PM   #90 
  - Given the choices they faced . . .  markpkessinger   Sep-13-11 05:48 PM   #97 
  - I remember seeng this live on the day it happened and on a  mulsh   Sep-13-11 05:32 PM   #95 
  - They say at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, women jumped  Curmudgeoness   Sep-13-11 05:50 PM   #98 
  - I suspect that the first few lungs full of acrid smoke and the  Marnie   Sep-13-11 06:06 PM   #99 
  - I suppose it was "suicide" in a technical sense, but . . .  markpkessinger   Sep-13-11 08:17 PM   #100 
  - I keep walking away...and then coming back to this thread. This is heavy on my heart  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-13-11 08:55 PM   #101 
  - Death is certain.  lapislzi   Sep-14-11 10:33 AM   #105 
     - You have failed to see my point.  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-14-11 12:01 PM   #106 
        - Sorry; thought I was expanding  lapislzi   Sep-14-11 12:40 PM   #108 
  - kick  Withywindle   Sep-14-11 01:46 AM   #103 
  - +100  ChazII   Sep-14-11 10:16 AM   #104 
  - These are the people who haunt me too..a couple held hands  adigal   Sep-14-11 12:11 PM   #107 
  - WWI pilots had no parachutes and when planes burned jumped or shot themselves...nt  Evasporque   Sep-14-11 01:18 PM   #109 
  - what do you guy's think of the 9/11 special that was on cbs.  okieinpain   Sep-14-11 01:24 PM   #110 
  - I remember being glued to the live reports that horrible and  liberalhistorian   Sep-14-11 01:30 PM   #111 
 

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