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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 11:02 AM
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66. I would not have wanted to endure those ten seconds
Before terminal velocity. I imagine they felt like ten lifetimes. But, unless I could be reasonably sure of being overcome and totally unconscious unto death from the smoke, I would probably have chosen to jump. Under extreme duress, with panic all around, that determination was probably impossible to make. I surely would not wish to burn.

This was a tough read, probably the toughest read since "Hiroshima."
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  -This is a rare article on the "jumpers" of 911: Warning for those who might be offended hlthe2b  Sep-12-11 05:22 PM   #0 
  - I think they were very courageous, in a situation most of us can hardly even imagine.  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-12-11 05:43 PM   #1 
  - Same here.  demosincebirth   Sep-12-11 05:56 PM   #7 
  - ++++1  spanone   Sep-12-11 06:56 PM   #22 
  - i agree. nt  seabeyond   Sep-13-11 08:40 AM   #44 
  - Given a choice between slowly burning to death or dying quickly from falling impact...  LAGC   Sep-12-11 05:44 PM   #2 
  - I would not have wanted to endure those ten seconds  lapislzi   Sep-13-11 11:02 AM   #66 
  - Anyone trapped on the upper floors who did NOT jump is irrational.  dmallind   Sep-12-11 05:45 PM   #3 
  - That's a little harsh. They were in an irrational situation.  Bucky   Sep-12-11 06:17 PM   #10 
  - Not really judging - irrationality in extremis is hardly a personality flaw  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:38 AM   #55 
  - Easy for you to decide, typing on your computer in comfort 10 years after the event.  Nye Bevan   Sep-12-11 07:02 PM   #23 
  - No it's easy any time. I'm a damn sight closer to that situation than you would guess. nt  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:34 AM   #54 
  - I think every human has the right to determine their own  MadMaddie   Sep-12-11 08:40 PM   #28 
  - there was a story about an able bodied man who sat with someone  roguevalley   Sep-12-11 08:54 PM   #30 
  - Surely. I do irrational things all the time. We all do.  dmallind   Sep-13-11 09:41 AM   #56 
  - Really? You're going to play armchair QB over this one?  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 12:38 PM   #70 
  - I can understand why that term is not used  Generic Other   Sep-12-11 05:48 PM   #4 
  - This is poignant, not offensive.  murielm99   Sep-12-11 05:48 PM   #5 
  - I thought of that too.  Withywindle   Sep-13-11 12:24 AM   #36 
  - I think they jumped in the hope they would find a better situation.  Alameda   Sep-13-11 12:18 PM   #68 
  - I had a hard time finishing the Nation's article  demosincebirth   Sep-12-11 05:53 PM   #6 
  - I can't even begin. nt  The Midway Rebel   Sep-12-11 06:03 PM   #8 
  - Thank you for the description  jberryhill   Sep-12-11 06:08 PM   #9 
  - Oh god, I am just destroyed by this article and picture!  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-12-11 06:18 PM   #11 
  - Very sensitively written, still a difficult read.  dixiegrrrrl   Sep-12-11 06:21 PM   #12 
  - I think a copy should be sent to every member and supporter of PNAC with a note  peacetalksforall   Sep-12-11 06:22 PM   #13 
  - +1  Octafish   Sep-13-11 08:40 AM   #45 
  - kick for later reading  Lil Missy   Sep-12-11 06:25 PM   #14 
  - Thank you.  emilyg   Sep-12-11 06:27 PM   #15 
  - Of course the last line of the article is the best... (small sob)  riderinthestorm   Sep-12-11 06:28 PM   #16 
  - I never for a second considered it  GKirk   Sep-12-11 06:29 PM   #17 
  - Neither did I. Every jumper was murdered by the terrorists, the same as  Common Sense Party   Sep-13-11 05:07 PM   #94 
  - Sure death no matter whether you stay or jump  Raine   Sep-12-11 06:33 PM   #18 
  - the image of the jumpers...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-12-11 06:47 PM   #19 
  - Whether they stayed on the building or jumped, I wouldn't second guess them.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-12-11 06:49 PM   #20 
  - I don't think they had a choice. I think it was instinctive to jump -  lynne   Sep-12-11 06:51 PM   #21 
  - The article is very well done and I'm glad you posted it.  scarletwoman   Sep-12-11 07:08 PM   #24 
  - Thank you for posting this.  REACTIVATED IN CT   Sep-12-11 07:08 PM   #25 
  - There's also an excellent documentary on "the Falling Man"  deutsey   Sep-13-11 10:15 AM   #63 
  - They didn't have a choice of dying. They only had the choice how they were going to die.  no_hypocrisy   Sep-12-11 07:23 PM   #26 
  - +1 n/t  ChazII   Sep-13-11 11:26 PM   #102 
  - powerful and gut wrenching story  FirstLight   Sep-12-11 07:25 PM   #27 
  - Bookmarked to read later. Rec.  tammywammy   Sep-12-11 08:44 PM   #29 
  - How can anyone know?  treestar   Sep-12-11 09:00 PM   #31 
  - Some even attempted to use table cloths .....  1620rock   Sep-12-11 11:52 PM   #33 
     - Also the guy waving the suit jacket  treestar   Sep-13-11 05:41 PM   #96 
  - K&R  amborin   Sep-12-11 11:41 PM   #32 
  - K&R  Jamastiene   Sep-13-11 12:14 AM   #34 
  - I can't imagine the horror of the choice  Broderick   Sep-13-11 12:17 AM   #35 
  - I'm sorry to seem hard-hearted, but jumping was wrong, because of the danger to others  Jim Lane   Sep-13-11 02:49 AM   #37 
  - it wasn't 100 percent choice, you know if you touch something burning hot  JI7   Sep-13-11 02:57 AM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-11 08:10 AM   #41 
  - "they had a moral obligation to consider the danger to others"?  marions ghost   Sep-13-11 08:34 AM   #42 
  - People do make rapid calculations like this in clutch situations...  jberryhill   Sep-13-11 03:36 PM   #84 
     - some do some don't  marions ghost   Sep-14-11 02:19 PM   #112 
        - I'm always surprised at the attribution of opinions and motives that goes on here  jberryhill   Sep-14-11 04:36 PM   #115 
           - "moral math"  marions ghost   Sep-15-11 08:44 AM   #116 
  - i would not be surprised if that consideration did not enter their mind.  seabeyond   Sep-13-11 08:45 AM   #47 
  - Certainly, they had time to consider the ramifications of their  JanMichael   Sep-13-11 09:09 AM   #49 
  - Let's see you 100 stories up in a burning office with no escape.  Connie_Corleone   Sep-13-11 09:13 AM   #50 
  - +100  Myrina   Sep-13-11 04:27 PM   #92 
  - your post is epic fail.  Javaman   Sep-13-11 09:19 AM   #52 
  - Self-delete. If I'm going to object to judgment, I shouldn't do it judgmentally.  GliderGuider   Sep-13-11 09:52 AM   #59 
  - One might have assumed there was also falling debris  jberryhill   Sep-13-11 10:04 AM   #61 
  - It's so much easier to bash me when you ignore what I actually wrote.  Jim Lane   Sep-13-11 02:36 PM   #77 
     - You have an odd definition of "bashing"  jberryhill   Sep-13-11 03:02 PM   #78 
     - I agree that YOU weren't bashing me.  Jim Lane   Sep-13-11 04:51 PM   #93 
     - "If so, it was a failing on their part"  Pithlet   Sep-13-11 03:39 PM   #85 
  - I think that's the last thing these people were thinking about when it happened  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 03:03 PM   #79 
  - Intense heat, smoke and advancing flames behind you  Abq_Sarah   Sep-13-11 04:06 PM   #88 
  - I really don't think they ever considered the possibility they would land on someone.  Capitalocracy   Sep-14-11 02:27 PM   #113 
  - All of the deaths were tragic, but  Are_grits_groceries   Sep-13-11 04:22 AM   #39 
  - Me too.  Javaman   Sep-13-11 09:24 AM   #53 
     - So sorry your loss, Javaman. I had two friends killed that day, one  FailureToCommunicate   Sep-13-11 10:58 AM   #65 
  - Whether they jumped, fell, or stayed in the bldg, they were all murdered...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-13-11 08:04 AM   #40 
  - right  marions ghost   Sep-13-11 08:38 AM   #43 
  - That was a tough read..  disillusioned73   Sep-13-11 08:41 AM   #46 
  - The medical examiner handled this appropriately for legal reasons imo -  TBF   Sep-13-11 09:03 AM   #48 
  - In a dire no-win situation, a jump COULD be viewed as non-suicidal, since  closeupready   Sep-13-11 09:15 AM   #51 
  - Given the choice that behind me was absolute death by fire  Horse with no Name   Sep-13-11 03:47 PM   #87 
  - That happened not long ago here in Buenos Aires.  Capitalocracy   Sep-14-11 02:29 PM   #114 
  - I'm shocked that anyone would judge these people or try to put shame on them.  Waiting For Everyman   Sep-13-11 09:47 AM   #57 
  - We humans have a primal fear of fire  Tom Ripley   Sep-13-11 09:49 AM   #58 
  - I'm in awe of people who were brave enough to let themselves go over the edge.  Arugula Latte   Sep-13-11 09:55 AM   #60 
  - Me too. Somehow they were the human center of the event.  GliderGuider   Sep-13-11 02:31 PM   #75 
     - You speak with beautiful eloquence to this.  hlthe2b   Sep-13-11 02:34 PM   #76 
     - Wow, what a beautiful post.  Arugula Latte   Sep-13-11 03:45 PM   #86 
     - "I would choose to fly"  lapislzi   Sep-13-11 04:13 PM   #91 
  - Indeed a difficult read but one that is  ChazII   Sep-13-11 10:08 AM   #62 
  - +1  deutsey   Sep-13-11 10:38 AM   #64 
  - the guy that wrote this article IS a sadist, "toast" "of course they soon fell"  Demonaut   Sep-13-11 11:03 AM   #67 
  - I think the people who fell from the building had such a profound impact on me  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 12:37 PM   #69 
  - Sometimes I imagine myself looking out through one of those holes in the wall.  GliderGuider   Sep-13-11 01:22 PM   #71 
  - I am glad this is being handled with some dignity & respect.  bvar22   Sep-13-11 01:40 PM   #72 
  - I don't ever want to have to make that choice.  Solly Mack   Sep-13-11 01:43 PM   #73 
  - Boy, the topics don't get any tougher than this...  4_TN_TITANS   Sep-13-11 02:17 PM   #74 
  - I wish we wouldn't call these people 'jumpers'. I just think it's the wrong term  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 03:17 PM   #80 
  - the "Fallen"  hlthe2b   Sep-13-11 03:22 PM   #81 
     - I think the uncomfortableness surrounding this topic is due to the photographs  LynneSin   Sep-13-11 03:31 PM   #83 
  - They were falling into the arms of God, they really were. The barbaric, medieval kind of God, IMO.  thereismore   Sep-13-11 03:30 PM   #82 
  - Like most of you, I get choked up again, thinking about the Falling Man, and  closeupready   Sep-13-11 04:09 PM   #89 
  - Speechless..... n/t  Inuca   Sep-13-11 04:11 PM   #90 
  - Given the choices they faced . . .  markpkessinger   Sep-13-11 05:48 PM   #97 
  - I remember seeng this live on the day it happened and on a  mulsh   Sep-13-11 05:32 PM   #95 
  - They say at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, women jumped  Curmudgeoness   Sep-13-11 05:50 PM   #98 
  - I suspect that the first few lungs full of acrid smoke and the  Marnie   Sep-13-11 06:06 PM   #99 
  - I suppose it was "suicide" in a technical sense, but . . .  markpkessinger   Sep-13-11 08:17 PM   #100 
  - I keep walking away...and then coming back to this thread. This is heavy on my heart  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-13-11 08:55 PM   #101 
  - Death is certain.  lapislzi   Sep-14-11 10:33 AM   #105 
     - You have failed to see my point.  ScreamingMeemie   Sep-14-11 12:01 PM   #106 
        - Sorry; thought I was expanding  lapislzi   Sep-14-11 12:40 PM   #108 
  - kick  Withywindle   Sep-14-11 01:46 AM   #103 
  - +100  ChazII   Sep-14-11 10:16 AM   #104 
  - These are the people who haunt me too..a couple held hands  adigal   Sep-14-11 12:11 PM   #107 
  - WWI pilots had no parachutes and when planes burned jumped or shot themselves...nt  Evasporque   Sep-14-11 01:18 PM   #109 
  - what do you guy's think of the 9/11 special that was on cbs.  okieinpain   Sep-14-11 01:24 PM   #110 
  - I remember being glued to the live reports that horrible and  liberalhistorian   Sep-14-11 01:30 PM   #111 

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