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| 29. Bookmarked to read later. Rec. |
| -This is a rare article on the "jumpers" of 911: Warning for those who might be offended |
hlthe2b |
Sep-12-11 05:22 PM |
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I think they were very courageous, in a situation most of us can hardly even imagine. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Sep-12-11 05:43 PM |
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Same here. |
demosincebirth |
Sep-12-11 05:56 PM |
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++++1 |
spanone |
Sep-12-11 06:56 PM |
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i agree. nt |
seabeyond |
Sep-13-11 08:40 AM |
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Given a choice between slowly burning to death or dying quickly from falling impact... |
LAGC |
Sep-12-11 05:44 PM |
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I would not have wanted to endure those ten seconds |
lapislzi |
Sep-13-11 11:02 AM |
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Anyone trapped on the upper floors who did NOT jump is irrational. |
dmallind |
Sep-12-11 05:45 PM |
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That's a little harsh. They were in an irrational situation. |
Bucky |
Sep-12-11 06:17 PM |
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Not really judging - irrationality in extremis is hardly a personality flaw |
dmallind |
Sep-13-11 09:38 AM |
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Easy for you to decide, typing on your computer in comfort 10 years after the event. |
Nye Bevan |
Sep-12-11 07:02 PM |
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No it's easy any time. I'm a damn sight closer to that situation than you would guess. nt |
dmallind |
Sep-13-11 09:34 AM |
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I think every human has the right to determine their own |
MadMaddie |
Sep-12-11 08:40 PM |
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there was a story about an able bodied man who sat with someone |
roguevalley |
Sep-12-11 08:54 PM |
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Surely. I do irrational things all the time. We all do. |
dmallind |
Sep-13-11 09:41 AM |
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Really? You're going to play armchair QB over this one? |
LynneSin |
Sep-13-11 12:38 PM |
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I can understand why that term is not used |
Generic Other |
Sep-12-11 05:48 PM |
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This is poignant, not offensive. |
murielm99 |
Sep-12-11 05:48 PM |
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I thought of that too. |
Withywindle |
Sep-13-11 12:24 AM |
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I think they jumped in the hope they would find a better situation. |
Alameda |
Sep-13-11 12:18 PM |
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I had a hard time finishing the Nation's article |
demosincebirth |
Sep-12-11 05:53 PM |
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I can't even begin. nt |
The Midway Rebel |
Sep-12-11 06:03 PM |
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Thank you for the description |
jberryhill |
Sep-12-11 06:08 PM |
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Oh god, I am just destroyed by this article and picture! |
GreenPartyVoter |
Sep-12-11 06:18 PM |
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Very sensitively written, still a difficult read. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Sep-12-11 06:21 PM |
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I think a copy should be sent to every member and supporter of PNAC with a note |
peacetalksforall |
Sep-12-11 06:22 PM |
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+1 |
Octafish |
Sep-13-11 08:40 AM |
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kick for later reading |
Lil Missy |
Sep-12-11 06:25 PM |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
Sep-12-11 06:27 PM |
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Of course the last line of the article is the best... (small sob) |
riderinthestorm |
Sep-12-11 06:28 PM |
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I never for a second considered it |
GKirk |
Sep-12-11 06:29 PM |
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Neither did I. Every jumper was murdered by the terrorists, the same as |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-13-11 05:07 PM |
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Sure death no matter whether you stay or jump |
Raine |
Sep-12-11 06:33 PM |
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the image of the jumpers... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Sep-12-11 06:47 PM |
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Whether they stayed on the building or jumped, I wouldn't second guess them. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-12-11 06:49 PM |
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I don't think they had a choice. I think it was instinctive to jump - |
lynne |
Sep-12-11 06:51 PM |
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The article is very well done and I'm glad you posted it. |
scarletwoman |
Sep-12-11 07:08 PM |
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Thank you for posting this. |
REACTIVATED IN CT |
Sep-12-11 07:08 PM |
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There's also an excellent documentary on "the Falling Man" |
deutsey |
Sep-13-11 10:15 AM |
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They didn't have a choice of dying. They only had the choice how they were going to die. |
no_hypocrisy |
Sep-12-11 07:23 PM |
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+1 n/t |
ChazII |
Sep-13-11 11:26 PM |
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powerful and gut wrenching story |
FirstLight |
Sep-12-11 07:25 PM |
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Bookmarked to read later. Rec. |
tammywammy |
Sep-12-11 08:44 PM |
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How can anyone know? |
treestar |
Sep-12-11 09:00 PM |
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Some even attempted to use table cloths ..... |
1620rock |
Sep-12-11 11:52 PM |
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Also the guy waving the suit jacket |
treestar |
Sep-13-11 05:41 PM |
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K&R |
amborin |
Sep-12-11 11:41 PM |
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K&R |
Jamastiene |
Sep-13-11 12:14 AM |
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I can't imagine the horror of the choice |
Broderick |
Sep-13-11 12:17 AM |
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I'm sorry to seem hard-hearted, but jumping was wrong, because of the danger to others |
Jim Lane |
Sep-13-11 02:49 AM |
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it wasn't 100 percent choice, you know if you touch something burning hot |
JI7 |
Sep-13-11 02:57 AM |
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Name removed |
Sep-13-11 08:10 AM |
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"they had a moral obligation to consider the danger to others"? |
marions ghost |
Sep-13-11 08:34 AM |
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People do make rapid calculations like this in clutch situations... |
jberryhill |
Sep-13-11 03:36 PM |
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some do some don't |
marions ghost |
Sep-14-11 02:19 PM |
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I'm always surprised at the attribution of opinions and motives that goes on here |
jberryhill |
Sep-14-11 04:36 PM |
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"moral math" |
marions ghost |
Sep-15-11 08:44 AM |
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i would not be surprised if that consideration did not enter their mind. |
seabeyond |
Sep-13-11 08:45 AM |
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Certainly, they had time to consider the ramifications of their |
JanMichael |
Sep-13-11 09:09 AM |
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Let's see you 100 stories up in a burning office with no escape. |
Connie_Corleone |
Sep-13-11 09:13 AM |
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+100 |
Myrina |
Sep-13-11 04:27 PM |
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your post is epic fail. |
Javaman |
Sep-13-11 09:19 AM |
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Self-delete. If I'm going to object to judgment, I shouldn't do it judgmentally. |
GliderGuider |
Sep-13-11 09:52 AM |
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One might have assumed there was also falling debris |
jberryhill |
Sep-13-11 10:04 AM |
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It's so much easier to bash me when you ignore what I actually wrote. |
Jim Lane |
Sep-13-11 02:36 PM |
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You have an odd definition of "bashing" |
jberryhill |
Sep-13-11 03:02 PM |
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I agree that YOU weren't bashing me. |
Jim Lane |
Sep-13-11 04:51 PM |
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"If so, it was a failing on their part" |
Pithlet |
Sep-13-11 03:39 PM |
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I think that's the last thing these people were thinking about when it happened |
LynneSin |
Sep-13-11 03:03 PM |
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Intense heat, smoke and advancing flames behind you |
Abq_Sarah |
Sep-13-11 04:06 PM |
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I really don't think they ever considered the possibility they would land on someone. |
Capitalocracy |
Sep-14-11 02:27 PM |
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All of the deaths were tragic, but |
Are_grits_groceries |
Sep-13-11 04:22 AM |
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Me too. |
Javaman |
Sep-13-11 09:24 AM |
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So sorry your loss, Javaman. I had two friends killed that day, one |
FailureToCommunicate |
Sep-13-11 10:58 AM |
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Whether they jumped, fell, or stayed in the bldg, they were all murdered... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-13-11 08:04 AM |
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right |
marions ghost |
Sep-13-11 08:38 AM |
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That was a tough read.. |
disillusioned73 |
Sep-13-11 08:41 AM |
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The medical examiner handled this appropriately for legal reasons imo - |
TBF |
Sep-13-11 09:03 AM |
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In a dire no-win situation, a jump COULD be viewed as non-suicidal, since |
closeupready |
Sep-13-11 09:15 AM |
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Given the choice that behind me was absolute death by fire |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-13-11 03:47 PM |
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That happened not long ago here in Buenos Aires. |
Capitalocracy |
Sep-14-11 02:29 PM |
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I'm shocked that anyone would judge these people or try to put shame on them. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Sep-13-11 09:47 AM |
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We humans have a primal fear of fire |
Tom Ripley |
Sep-13-11 09:49 AM |
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I'm in awe of people who were brave enough to let themselves go over the edge. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-13-11 09:55 AM |
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Me too. Somehow they were the human center of the event. |
GliderGuider |
Sep-13-11 02:31 PM |
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You speak with beautiful eloquence to this. |
hlthe2b |
Sep-13-11 02:34 PM |
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Wow, what a beautiful post. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-13-11 03:45 PM |
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"I would choose to fly" |
lapislzi |
Sep-13-11 04:13 PM |
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Indeed a difficult read but one that is |
ChazII |
Sep-13-11 10:08 AM |
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+1 |
deutsey |
Sep-13-11 10:38 AM |
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the guy that wrote this article IS a sadist, "toast" "of course they soon fell" |
Demonaut |
Sep-13-11 11:03 AM |
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I think the people who fell from the building had such a profound impact on me |
LynneSin |
Sep-13-11 12:37 PM |
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Sometimes I imagine myself looking out through one of those holes in the wall. |
GliderGuider |
Sep-13-11 01:22 PM |
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I am glad this is being handled with some dignity & respect. |
bvar22 |
Sep-13-11 01:40 PM |
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I don't ever want to have to make that choice. |
Solly Mack |
Sep-13-11 01:43 PM |
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Boy, the topics don't get any tougher than this... |
4_TN_TITANS |
Sep-13-11 02:17 PM |
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I wish we wouldn't call these people 'jumpers'. I just think it's the wrong term |
LynneSin |
Sep-13-11 03:17 PM |
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the "Fallen" |
hlthe2b |
Sep-13-11 03:22 PM |
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I think the uncomfortableness surrounding this topic is due to the photographs |
LynneSin |
Sep-13-11 03:31 PM |
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“They were falling into the arms of God, they really were.” The barbaric, medieval kind of God, IMO. |
thereismore |
Sep-13-11 03:30 PM |
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Like most of you, I get choked up again, thinking about the Falling Man, and |
closeupready |
Sep-13-11 04:09 PM |
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Speechless..... n/t |
Inuca |
Sep-13-11 04:11 PM |
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Given the choices they faced . . . |
markpkessinger |
Sep-13-11 05:48 PM |
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I remember seeng this live on the day it happened and on a |
mulsh |
Sep-13-11 05:32 PM |
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They say at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, women jumped |
Curmudgeoness |
Sep-13-11 05:50 PM |
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I suspect that the first few lungs full of acrid smoke and the |
Marnie |
Sep-13-11 06:06 PM |
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I suppose it was "suicide" in a technical sense, but . . . |
markpkessinger |
Sep-13-11 08:17 PM |
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I keep walking away...and then coming back to this thread. This is heavy on my heart |
ScreamingMeemie |
Sep-13-11 08:55 PM |
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Death is certain. |
lapislzi |
Sep-14-11 10:33 AM |
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You have failed to see my point. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Sep-14-11 12:01 PM |
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Sorry; thought I was expanding |
lapislzi |
Sep-14-11 12:40 PM |
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kick |
Withywindle |
Sep-14-11 01:46 AM |
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+100 |
ChazII |
Sep-14-11 10:16 AM |
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These are the people who haunt me too..a couple held hands |
adigal |
Sep-14-11 12:11 PM |
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WWI pilots had no parachutes and when planes burned jumped or shot themselves...nt |
Evasporque |
Sep-14-11 01:18 PM |
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what do you guy's think of the 9/11 special that was on cbs. |
okieinpain |
Sep-14-11 01:24 PM |
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I remember being glued to the live reports that horrible and |
liberalhistorian |
Sep-14-11 01:30 PM |
#111 |
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