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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 04:39 PM
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48. "You say you'll
change the Constitution,
well, you know
we all wanna change your head."
-- Lennon; Revolution
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  -The constitution should be changed - it makes the US ungovernable johan helge  Sep-11-11 02:41 PM   #0 
  - This has nothing to do with the Constitution  Drale   Sep-11-11 02:45 PM   #1 
  - I know the Constitution is sacred for Americans  johan helge   Sep-11-11 02:56 PM   #3 
  - Which article of the Constitution specifies a two-party system? (nt)  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:08 PM   #7 
  - Take the  johan helge   Sep-11-11 03:24 PM   #16 
  - Neither first past the post, nor single member districts, are in the Constitution  dsc   Sep-11-11 05:34 PM   #59 
  - If we had a Parliamentary system  Yo_Mama   Sep-11-11 06:16 PM   #66 
  - The one that specifies the manner of election of the president and Congress  Spider Jerusalem   Sep-11-11 03:33 PM   #20 
     - The UK has first-past-the-post. And not only does it have 3 viable political parties,  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:38 PM   #22 
        - I think "three viable political parties" is a bit of an overstatement  Spider Jerusalem   Sep-11-11 03:47 PM   #25 
        - It isn't just first-past-the-post. Look at the electoral college. One needs an absolute majority to  BzaDem   Sep-11-11 03:51 PM   #27 
        - But if they had instant runoff the third party would be in charge  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-11 04:02 PM   #34 
  - The wealthy minority have more like 90% of the votes.  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-11 03:11 PM   #10 
  - So the "wealthy minority" wanted Obama to win in 2008? And the Democrats in 2006? (nt)  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:12 PM   #11 
  - They're still getting their legislation passed.  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-11 03:14 PM   #14 
  - Yes,  johan helge   Sep-11-11 03:31 PM   #19 
     - Are internet, newspaper and mailed political ads also forbidden? (nt)  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:34 PM   #21 
        - No, it's forbidden only on TV and  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:13 PM   #37 
           - But surely internet and print ads also cost money?  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 04:15 PM   #38 
              - Personally, I'd be happy to ban them  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:26 PM   #44 
  - "The two-party system it creates..."  court jester   Sep-11-11 04:20 PM   #40 
     - Take the  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:28 PM   #45 
  - My thoughts exactly. nt  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-11 03:10 PM   #8 
  - I don't think it's 100% the media. I think it's mostly due to corps and corruption.  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-11-11 06:14 PM   #65 
  - So in our current politcal climate- whose to rewrite it?  TexasProgresive   Sep-11-11 02:48 PM   #2 
  - Good question  johan helge   Sep-11-11 03:00 PM   #4 
  - Our consitution was written for a loose coastal federation of 4 million people  Odin2005   Sep-11-11 03:05 PM   #5 
  - This assumes that the new one would necessarily be better ...  markpkessinger   Sep-11-11 03:46 PM   #24 
  - I think that particular kettle of fish should remain firmly in the realm of fantasy.  Fumesucker   Sep-11-11 03:53 PM   #28 
  - Checks and balances are important.  LWolf   Sep-11-11 03:06 PM   #6 
  - In (2) does "media" include cable TV, newspapers and internet sites  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:11 PM   #9 
     - I don't know.  LWolf   Sep-11-11 03:15 PM   #15 
        - I think the New York Times should be allowed to endorse the candidate of its choice  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:28 PM   #17 
           - Do you think the media should be subject  LWolf   Sep-11-11 05:09 PM   #56 
  - Careful what you wish for ...  markpkessinger   Sep-11-11 03:12 PM   #12 
  - There are four years between  johan helge   Sep-11-11 03:48 PM   #26 
  - Yes, but our Congressional elections occur every two years ...  markpkessinger   Sep-11-11 03:59 PM   #33 
  - Climate change can have  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:05 PM   #35 
  - The problem is Constitutional, but it has next to nothing to do with the Constitution  ThomWV   Sep-11-11 03:13 PM   #13 
  - You describe why we have disfunctional government when one party controlls both Houses and the  BzaDem   Sep-11-11 03:53 PM   #29 
  - Good point  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:23 PM   #42 
     - Thank you. So much "wasn't always like this but it's hard to convince people without data.  saras   Sep-11-11 06:12 PM   #61 
  - Bush was also prevented from putting Social Security into the stockmarket.  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 03:29 PM   #18 
  - In Norway,  johan helge   Sep-11-11 03:44 PM   #23 
  - The checks and balances are asymmetrical and help one side at the expense of the other.  BzaDem   Sep-11-11 03:57 PM   #32 
     - That's a very important point  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:38 PM   #47 
  - I agree. The bizzare worship so many Americans have for their archaic constitution is foolish.  white_wolf   Sep-11-11 03:55 PM   #30 
  - Like Italy? Which has had 61 governments since 1945?  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 04:12 PM   #36 
  - You pick one bad example. What about all the other countries that have proportional representation.  white_wolf   Sep-11-11 04:22 PM   #41 
     - Should we have a monarch, too? Hello, Belgium, UK, Sweden, .....  WinkyDink   Sep-11-11 04:41 PM   #51 
        - Bill Clinton for first American King!  Nye Bevan   Sep-11-11 04:45 PM   #52 
        - Those kings are all figureheads. While I despise the very concept of Nobilty, those kings  white_wolf   Sep-11-11 04:57 PM   #55 
  - Your last point has zero to do with the Constitution.  WinkyDink   Sep-11-11 04:41 PM   #50 
  - We have a way to change our Constitution  customerserviceguy   Sep-11-11 03:55 PM   #31 
  - If the President could just have the power to do what he wants,  chrisa   Sep-11-11 04:19 PM   #39 
  - Yes it does. n/t  Yo_Mama   Sep-11-11 06:14 PM   #64 
  - vote of no confidence  demoblemocratic   Sep-11-11 04:25 PM   #43 
  - The Constitution was deliberately designed to keep the federal government weak.  Xithras   Sep-11-11 04:37 PM   #46 
  - "You say you'll  H2O Man   Sep-11-11 04:39 PM   #48 
  - Yeah, right! And England should change Magna Carta, too! Attend to your own history, thanks.  WinkyDink   Sep-11-11 04:40 PM   #49 
  - To the extent the Constitution  johan helge   Sep-11-11 04:45 PM   #53 
  - Unrec - go study checks and balances. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Sep-11-11 04:53 PM   #54 
  - Eliminate midterm elections. Elect the President, House, and...  wizstars   Sep-11-11 05:09 PM   #57 
  - Voters are the ones who chose divided government. What are you going to tell them?  tritsofme   Sep-11-11 05:15 PM   #58 
  - Every system  johan helge   Sep-11-11 09:06 PM   #68 
  - Thanks for starting the thread!  sudopod   Sep-11-11 05:38 PM   #60 
  - Thanks!  johan helge   Sep-11-11 09:13 PM   #69 
  - How should it be changed?  treestar   Sep-11-11 06:13 PM   #62 
  - We had the same constitution when we created the Great Society  Yo_Mama   Sep-11-11 06:14 PM   #63 
  - What makes the US ungovernable is a two-party political system.  roamer65   Sep-11-11 06:17 PM   #67 

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