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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 02:02 PM
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42. The memory of Pearl Harbor was also subsumed into a much larger memory matrix of WWII
Granted, that has happened to some degree with 9/11 and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but those are very small conflicts compared to WWII (at least from the American POV). From 1941-1945, the entire nation was mobilized for war and a large percentage of the adult population either served in the military or in sectors of the economy re-jiggered for the war effort. It was 'total war' and thus has defined the memory of those years. 9/11 changed a lot of things, but it has not led to total war.

Also, the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan (especially Iraq), weren't entirely about the legacy of 9/11 either. The US had already waged war against Saddam once and the leftover tensions meant that another conflict there was never out of the question - sanctions and on and off bombing continued all the way until the second Iraq war in 2003. The 2003 war was probably as much the sequel to 1991 as it was a direct consequence of 9/11.

On a related note, there's the issue of victims. A good percentage of Americans lost in the 'war on terror' (or whatever you want to call it) died on 9/11, including most of the civilian victims. Pearl Harbor, on the other hand, represented a small percentage of military dead from 1941-1945.

Other posters have already pointed out other differences having to do with television and the civilian/military targets and the fact that Pearl Harbor was several generations ago.
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  -Why don't we commemorate Pearl Harbor like we do 9/11? Poiuyt  Sep-11-11 10:29 AM   #0 
  - Its the fear factor  madokie   Sep-11-11 10:29 AM   #1 
  - Sorry to say this but it's not as useful to the politicians as  Autumn   Sep-11-11 10:30 AM   #2 
  - Bingo!  Arkansas Granny   Sep-11-11 10:39 AM   #16 
  - Pearl Harbor was real. 9/11 was in cahoots with Saudis for fun and profit.  RC   Sep-11-11 10:31 AM   #3 
  - One happened on a militarty base 70 years ago,the other in the middle of a city  Swede   Sep-11-11 10:31 AM   #4 
  - +1 n/t  tammywammy   Sep-11-11 10:33 AM   #7 
  - Yes.  emulatorloo   Sep-11-11 10:56 AM   #27 
  - Time. those that were there ae precious few now. I have no doubt this is the last biggie for 9/11.  bettyellen   Sep-11-11 10:31 AM   #5 
  - no money to be made from it. No fear to be racheted up from it.  Donnachaidh   Sep-11-11 10:32 AM   #6 
  - this is the correct answer  Lex   Sep-11-11 10:33 AM   #9 
  - IMO...because Pearl Harbor wasn't really a "shared" event...  Dennis Donovan   Sep-11-11 10:33 AM   #8 
  - oops  MrsBrady   Sep-11-11 10:51 AM   #22 
  - Here's a list of 60th Anniversary events in Hawaii for  MineralMan   Sep-11-11 10:34 AM   #10 
  - I am trying to remember the anniversaries from my youth  Warren Stupidity   Sep-11-11 10:34 AM   #11 
  - You mean with over-the-top, racist and bigoted propaganda films and cartoons?  Hugabear   Sep-11-11 10:35 AM   #12 
  - The Pearl Harbor targets were strictly military.  iamtechus   Sep-11-11 10:37 AM   #13 
  - Fucking bullshit. The target was human beings. Military  rustydog   Sep-11-11 10:41 AM   #17 
  - For that matter, why aren't we commemorating the Oklahoma City bombing?  sarge43   Sep-11-11 10:37 AM   #14 
  - Oh right, we DO.................  Fla Dem   Sep-11-11 10:50 AM   #21 
  - 911 was more recent, hence commands more attention, and hence more profit. Pearl  RKP5637   Sep-11-11 10:37 AM   #15 
  - I wonder if Guiliani is selling memorial t-shirts at ground zero  rustydog   Sep-11-11 10:54 AM   #24 
     - Yeah, probably, or some of his stooges. ... but Giulian sees more profit in his 911 security  RKP5637   Sep-11-11 11:04 AM   #30 
  - video footage. 911 unfolded live on TV so everyone around the country/world  ecstatic   Sep-11-11 10:42 AM   #18 
  - We did commemorate it  customerserviceguy   Sep-11-11 10:43 AM   #19 
  - You mean the day the lives in infamy.  aikoaiko   Sep-11-11 10:43 AM   #20 
  - December 7th is federally recognized as Pearl Harbor Day  MrsBrady   Sep-11-11 10:53 AM   #23 
  - In a way, we do every time we lay a soldier, sailor, Marine to rest  rustydog   Sep-11-11 10:55 AM   #25 
  - It's about exploiting a national tragedy, that aired on live tv, for other means.  Lucian   Sep-11-11 10:56 AM   #26 
  - "We'll return to our special tribute to 9-11 heroes  rustydog   Sep-11-11 11:13 AM   #33 
  - Maybe Pearl Harbor left fewer questions to drown out?  Gidney N Cloyd   Sep-11-11 10:59 AM   #28 
  - Same here I know many are grieving over the 9/11 attacks.  doc03   Sep-11-11 11:00 AM   #29 
  - A comparison of 10th anniversaries, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor:  elocs   Sep-11-11 11:10 AM   #31 
  - The tone of much of this thread (NOT including the OP)  marybourg   Sep-11-11 11:11 AM   #32 
  - Although it's against the rules, can you cite the posts that do this?  Dennis Donovan   Sep-11-11 11:28 AM   #36 
  - which left was that?  Warren Stupidity   Sep-11-11 11:30 AM   #37 
  - Because American civic memory is quite short  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-11-11 11:14 AM   #34 
  - first of all Pearl Harbor happened out of the lifetime of most americans  cali   Sep-11-11 11:23 AM   #35 
  - because it wasn't on TV  Johonny   Sep-11-11 11:31 AM   #38 
  - Time.  FSogol   Sep-11-11 11:42 AM   #39 
  - It was much more clear who attacked Pearl Harbor and why.  Recovered Repug   Sep-11-11 11:52 AM   #40 
  - There's a difference when a military base or naval base is attacked  lunatica   Sep-11-11 12:20 PM   #41 
  - The memory of Pearl Harbor was also subsumed into a much larger memory matrix of WWII  RZM   Sep-11-11 02:02 PM   #42 
  - PH was never nationally commemorated.  WinkyDink   Sep-11-11 02:05 PM   #44 
     - Well there is a federally recognized 'Pearl Harbor Day'  RZM   Sep-11-11 02:07 PM   #45 
  - No money in it.  WinkyDink   Sep-11-11 02:04 PM   #43 
  - There's no money in Pearl Harbor?  RZM   Sep-11-11 02:10 PM   #46 
  - There were public commemorations in most states through the 50s and  Old Troop   Sep-11-11 02:11 PM   #47 
  - So they can repeat the lie until it can no longer be challenged  whatchamacallit   Sep-11-11 02:20 PM   #48 

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