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Sat Sep-10-11 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
| -Obama: Gut Social Security Now, Don't Wait Till The Election |
stockholmer |
Sep-10-11 05:07 AM |
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Insightful commentary. |
Mimosa |
Sep-10-11 05:15 AM |
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Not one penny is removed from the Social Security trust fund. The general fund reimburses the |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 05:45 AM |
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Until the general fund has no money left for it |
durablend |
Sep-10-11 06:04 AM |
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The general fund cannot run out of money. The US can borrow, and that is exactly what the |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 06:17 AM |
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Yes, and costs to the general fund can be used to say that Social Security is not paying for itself. |
Pholus |
Sep-10-11 06:55 AM |
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THAT is the the point of it, plus weakening of the notion |
hansberrym |
Sep-10-11 08:22 AM |
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Bravo to the plan... |
Pholus |
Sep-10-11 04:39 PM |
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Try thinking TWO steps ahead. |
woo me with science |
Sep-10-11 06:09 AM |
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so all that means is another $240 billion Increase in the deficit over just the next 12 months that |
stockholmer |
Sep-10-11 06:13 AM |
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Yes, the entire point of Keynesian stimulus is to INCREASE the deficit. |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 06:21 AM |
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Thirty years of tax cuts and what do we have to show for it? |
Fumesucker |
Sep-10-11 06:30 AM |
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There is a large difference between marginal tax rate cuts for the rich, and tax cuts for |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 02:30 PM |
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When the payroll tax cuts come back to take a huge chunk out of our ass... |
Fumesucker |
Sep-10-11 04:30 PM |
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You articulating it is going to backfire without any evidence does not mean it will backfire. n/t |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 07:52 PM |
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So at what point are the payroll taxes going to be raised again? |
Fumesucker |
Sep-10-11 08:10 PM |
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Crickets |
Bluebear |
Sep-11-11 03:37 AM |
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When the economy gains enough traction that the Fed can resume its normal process of setting |
BzaDem |
Sep-11-11 04:00 AM |
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But raising the payroll taxes again is going to be a political act.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-11-11 05:50 AM |
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MIC -- which should include the intelligence networks/CIA -- and NO Medicare 4 All -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 09:04 PM |
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Sep-10-11 06:54 AM |
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Where is the stimulus and where does the hit get offset |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-10-11 07:23 AM |
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Obama said the offsets would include closing corporate tax loopholes in the future. |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 03:26 PM |
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In an ideal world you'd have a targeted refundable credit or better direct hiring |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-11-11 02:42 PM |
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Bad for citizens/nation but good for banksters -- cost an additional half a percent to borrow |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 07:51 PM |
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Let me get this straight: the $2.6 trillion borrowed from SS so far can't be paid back |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-10-11 06:37 AM |
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Thats the way I see it too |
madokie |
Sep-10-11 09:43 AM |
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No, you do not have it right. Both the 2.6 trillion borrowed from SS and the new money owed to the |
BzaDem |
Sep-10-11 03:28 PM |
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But Obama, the Republicans, and many Democrats are trying to change the statute |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-10-11 05:55 PM |
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We need to unite on Social Security -- hire a 100 or 200 Erin Brockovich's .... and let's find |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 07:59 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Sep-11-11 04:42 PM |
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Well, what's the tab-- $1 BILLION every day in interest? How many nations do we owe ... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 08:06 PM |
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You're right, they don't take pennies from the trust fund, they take billions. Clinton |
Exilednight |
Sep-10-11 06:54 AM |
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sure -- let's comingle funds to blur the protections that SS always had |
Donnachaidh |
Sep-10-11 07:43 AM |
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Exactly ... SS was never intended to run a surplus ... which was carried in General Budget ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 08:09 PM |
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Lenders, including China, can say NO. |
Mimosa |
Sep-10-11 09:46 AM |
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Right - and assets in the trust fund have no value |
Yo_Mama |
Sep-10-11 12:36 PM |
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Think it's further proof that the mission is to destroy Social Security not to get re-elected ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 05:49 AM |
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That is crystal clear. And probably the reason we got stuck with Obama in the first place. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-10-11 02:51 PM |
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They don't want to destroy it. They just want it in the hands of the Free Marketz! |
leftstreet |
Sep-10-11 02:54 PM |
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They want to destroy it as far as any benefit to citizens is concerned ..... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 07:47 PM |
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Sep-10-11 06:11 AM |
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This is foolishness! |
mfcorey1 |
Sep-10-11 06:11 AM |
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Spam |
Bluebear |
Sep-10-11 06:17 AM |
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Sep-10-11 06:45 AM |
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LOL hart/edwards '12!!1!! |
dionysus |
Sep-10-11 11:07 AM |
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Who is actually running this country? |
B Calm |
Sep-10-11 06:57 AM |
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... |
woo me with science |
Sep-10-11 07:02 AM |
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Best government global corporations can buy. . . |
B Calm |
Sep-10-11 07:37 AM |
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"Congress is under the control of the oil and coal industries" .... Al Gore/Rolling Stone |
defendandprotect |
Sep-10-11 09:03 PM |
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"Congress is controlled by oil and coal industries" --- We need to wake up fast--!!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-12-11 01:13 AM |
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k&r (nt) |
enough |
Sep-10-11 07:27 AM |
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I'm going to go into business ...picking up dead old people in the streets. |
L0oniX |
Sep-10-11 07:50 AM |
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Nonsense article. |
JoePhilly |
Sep-10-11 07:54 AM |
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nonsense back at you, if you honestly believe that most job loss is due to GOP governors cutting |
stockholmer |
Sep-10-11 08:12 AM |
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Ok .... and then .... |
JoePhilly |
Sep-10-11 08:17 AM |
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the stimulus (in the form it took) was a bust, the inflation it created actually made things worse |
stockholmer |
Sep-10-11 08:39 AM |
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Best damn Democracy money can buy |
Autumn |
Sep-10-11 08:19 AM |
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Unrec. |
MineralMan |
Sep-10-11 09:40 AM |
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Recommend. nt |
TBF |
Sep-10-11 10:03 AM |
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total garbage...don't waste time reading Obama hate nonsense |
adhd_what_huh |
Sep-10-11 11:04 AM |
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Thanks for kicking |
Bluebear |
Sep-10-11 02:54 PM |
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Only Nixon could go to China..... |
blindpig |
Sep-10-11 11:11 AM |
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It is incredible, and it didn't happen. |
elleng |
Sep-10-11 03:37 PM |
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Unrec. n/t |
Tx4obama |
Sep-11-11 03:56 AM |
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Social Security is in NO danger of being weakened by a payroll tax holiday. |
Tx4obama |
Sep-11-11 03:59 AM |
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No as in zero? Wishful thinking, when do you think it will be politically plausible |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-12-11 01:57 AM |
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.. |
mdmc |
Sep-11-11 06:10 AM |
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