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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:40 PM
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64. "the working poor are unable to join unions...
they apparently do not have marketable skills."

A "marketable skill" is not a prerequisite to join my union. No one gave me a test to see if I qualified, and I doubt if the SEIU tests your ability to clean an office before you can join.

"You apparently are coming up with another way for working people to pull themselves up by their own tell them to unionize."

Yes, I recommend it to anyone who isn't a member of a union, because it is only through solidarity and collective bargaining that you can help yourself to better wages and working conditions.

Do you think most owners and managers will willingly part with an extra nickel out of the largesse of their heart?

(I also happen to support strong government social programs to make life more equitable in this country.)

"Either way, the onus is on me and people like me, rather than being on those ver well paid "leaders" to do something to help me."

Every working person in this country has benefitted from labor unions, whether they are members or not.

You want someone fighting for you, find like-minded people, set some by-laws, and elect a leader who knows something about labor/management relations.

You have fallen for the oldest trick in the book-divide and conquer.

Keep attacking people working collectively to make their lives better. This will not lift you up, but it will tear them down, and while that is something that might make you feel better, it won't do a damn thing for your economic security.

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  -I stand with labor. Robb  Sep-09-11 10:43 AM   #0 
  - The problem is is that they're yet again buying stuff peddled by someone who says one thing and does  FLAprogressive   Sep-09-11 10:46 AM   #1 
  - yes, we get it, that mean 'ol lyin; obama again.  dionysus   Sep-09-11 10:47 AM   #2 
  - If Obama passes anything of the sort... it'll be a friggin' miracle.  LooseWilly   Sep-10-11 03:41 AM   #56 
     - obama  demoblemocratic   Sep-11-11 04:45 PM   #69 
  - Yawn. Nt  DevonRex   Sep-09-11 10:52 AM   #4 
  - Too bad replies can't be unrec'd. n/t  Avalux   Sep-09-11 11:26 AM   #9 
  - As do I. BTW  DevonRex   Sep-09-11 10:52 AM   #3 
  - flattery will get you nowhere, you know.  mopinko   Sep-09-11 11:24 AM   #5 
  - Heh heh.  DevonRex   Sep-09-11 11:41 AM   #11 
  - Oh, noes! Cooties! LOL.  Rhiannon12866   Sep-09-11 01:39 PM   #16 
     - Nah.  DevonRex   Sep-09-11 06:20 PM   #34 
     - Well, that makes one out of 175,040!!!  Rhiannon12866   Sep-10-11 03:18 AM   #55 
     - Speaking of Cooties...  NYC_SKP   Sep-09-11 09:06 PM   #46 
        - I'm not naming names, but I think a certain person filled it with green tea...  Rhiannon12866   Sep-10-11 03:14 AM   #54 
  - Kick  pinto   Sep-09-11 11:25 AM   #6 
  - K&R...nt  SidDithers   Sep-09-11 11:25 AM   #7 
  - So do I. nt  sufrommich   Sep-09-11 11:25 AM   #8 
  - conditionally  Claudia Jones   Sep-09-11 11:28 AM   #10 
  - I don't see how you can imply that when it's pretty much quotes and their sources. n/t  LoZoccolo   Sep-09-11 12:16 PM   #13 
     - yes you do  Claudia Jones   Sep-09-11 12:27 PM   #15 
        - Not really, because I saw this about two weeks ago.  LoZoccolo   Sep-09-11 02:27 PM   #18 
           - More stood with Labor before Labor stood with the jobs bill.  Robb   Sep-09-11 04:45 PM   #19 
           - so clever  Claudia Jones   Sep-09-11 04:59 PM   #22 
              - Thank you Claudia  tgal   Sep-09-11 05:00 PM   #23 
              - Democrats are just lucky, I suppose.  Robb   Sep-09-11 05:05 PM   #25 
              - We have a traditional alliance founded on mutual self-interest  Generic Other   Sep-09-11 05:27 PM   #32 
              - You are able to read people's minds?! Don't state something as a fact unless it is.  FarLeftFist   Sep-09-11 06:54 PM   #36 
                 - read people's minds?  Claudia Jones   Sep-09-11 07:06 PM   #40 
                    - Then how can you state as fact that people only support Labor b/c they support Dems?  FarLeftFist   Sep-09-11 07:50 PM   #41 
                       - easy  Claudia Jones   Sep-09-11 07:54 PM   #43 
                          - So you think people only support Labor b/c they support Dems?!  FarLeftFist   Sep-09-11 09:06 PM   #47 
                             - some, yes  Claudia Jones   Sep-09-11 10:04 PM   #48 
                                - I'm interested in your profiling techniques.  FarLeftFist   Sep-10-11 02:42 PM   #65 
                                   - that is interesting  Claudia Jones   Sep-11-11 04:36 PM   #68 
                                   - You have never (not once) seen an anti-labor post here? Yikes, that  coalition_unwilling   Sep-11-11 04:50 PM   #70 
           - A lot of HUGE K&R'ing in that thread...  Bobbie Jo   Sep-09-11 05:57 PM   #33 
              - It's so very, very innnnnteresting, isn't it?  Number23   Sep-09-11 06:26 PM   #35 
                 - Quite.  Bobbie Jo   Sep-09-11 08:02 PM   #44 
  - k&r  HappyMe   Sep-09-11 12:11 PM   #12 
  - K&R!  LoZoccolo   Sep-09-11 12:17 PM   #14 
  - I stand firmly with labor. No exceptions. Let's hope the chess game plays out well. n/t  AverageJoe90   Sep-09-11 01:41 PM   #17 
  - Same here.  Rex   Sep-09-11 04:46 PM   #20 
  - I can understand why they are all singing this song....  Little Star   Sep-09-11 04:56 PM   #21 
  - Perhaps they're playing the Obama game on O. Talk a lot but do nothing.  Divernan   Sep-09-11 08:14 PM   #45 
  - I actually wish they'd send Obama a message. Either strongly support Unionized labor in your jobs  MessiahRp   Sep-10-11 01:32 AM   #52 
  - You mean you stand with the union leadership, don't you? That doesn't necessarily translate the  DrunkenBoat   Sep-09-11 05:04 PM   #24 
  - Ah, yes, the "union aristocracy" gambit.  Robb   Sep-09-11 05:06 PM   #26 
     - Not a gambit at all, though I don't expect you to acknowledge the fact.  DrunkenBoat   Sep-09-11 05:10 PM   #30 
     - Yeah, surely the reason membership has dropped is because of the leadership. Riiiiiiiight.  FarLeftFist   Sep-09-11 06:59 PM   #38 
        - I said one of the *main* reasons, not the only reason. But yeah, collusionary leadership *is*  DrunkenBoat   Sep-09-11 07:53 PM   #42 
     - Labor stands with Democrats as it has since FDR's day  Generic Other   Sep-09-11 05:17 PM   #31 
  - labor is totally under the thumb of the democratic party for the foreseeable future  BOG PERSON   Sep-09-11 05:07 PM   #27 
  - I'm in  Omaha Steve   Sep-09-11 05:07 PM   #28 
  - I wish I could be a labor lawyer.  Initech   Sep-09-11 05:10 PM   #29 
  - great quotes. Thanks.  cally   Sep-09-11 06:58 PM   #37 
  - Here's another post with more links  Number23   Sep-09-11 07:02 PM   #39 
  - It's easy to stand with labor when labor is doing what you want them to do.  Lyric   Sep-09-11 10:10 PM   #49 
  - Good, as we all ought to. I trust you also oppose the proposed FTAs.  Union Scribe   Sep-09-11 10:19 PM   #50 
  - I stand with labor too, whether or not they praise Obama.  Maven   Sep-09-11 11:01 PM   #51 
  - I stand with the working poor, of which I am a card carrying member  hfojvt   Sep-10-11 02:12 AM   #53 
  - The members of the unions who voted them into leadership positions with those salaries...  MilesColtrane   Sep-10-11 08:25 AM   #58 
  - the working poor are unable to join unions  hfojvt   Sep-10-11 11:05 AM   #62 
     - "the working poor are unable to join unions...  MilesColtrane   Sep-10-11 12:40 PM   #64 
  - "Union fat cats." Straight from the playbook.  Robb   Sep-10-11 08:33 AM   #60 
     - yeah, sure  hfojvt   Sep-10-11 10:56 AM   #61 
  - No you don't. You stand with those who are pledging loyalty to the Democratic property... you don't  LooseWilly   Sep-10-11 03:49 AM   #57 
  - Pretty tough words.  Robb   Sep-10-11 08:31 AM   #59 
  - Uh. Where would you stand it they dissed the president's plan?  Jakes Progress   Sep-10-11 11:07 AM   #63 
  - Precisely where I stood before.  Robb   Sep-10-11 07:11 PM   #66 
     - That's good. Let's see how it swings.  Jakes Progress   Sep-11-11 04:03 PM   #67 
  - ..  mdmc   Sep-15-11 06:45 AM   #71 

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