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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:46 AM
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11. So much misinformation its hard to know where to start.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 08:46 AM by grantcart
The President specifically doesn't have the authority to close Gitmo and move those defendants on shore if Congress refuses to allocate funding for it.

The much larger issue is the question of trying to use maximum leverage in a governing structure with limited executive power and a legislative system that is not based on one person one vote to make as many unilateral moves as is theoretically possible.

The short sightedness of this is obvious but for the obstinate I will spell it out. If you move expiditiously to try and marginalize the legislative branch on the few areas where you technically don't have to have legislative input you will soon find that you will have eliminated the possibility of getting other things passed that you do need the legislature involved in. The clearest example of this was Bush2 who ran around Congress the first two years and then got nothing passed (except tax breaks which everyone in congress loves voting for) the last 6 years of his Presidency. The fact is Obama gets things passed.

Its remarkable that the system works at all, but that is what the 'brilliant' founding fathers left us with. Unable to eliminate slavery by rational discussion the entire system was set up with a compromise that gave the South the idea that their 'precious institution' would never face elimination by legislative or executive action, and they were right.

So compromise is an inherent part of our system, it is not an option, it is required.

Those of us who have lived in parlimentary democracies where power is not sliced into weak institutions where a minority of the population has a 20:1 political advantage (the smallest 20 states have a population less than the state of California meaning that a voter in Idaho has 20 times the political power of a Californian) realize that all of the myths that we have been taught about our system being the height of 'democracy' are rather silly indeed.
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  - Recced.  Dawgs   Sep-08-11 07:36 AM   #1 
  - K&R.  William769   Sep-08-11 07:43 AM   #2 
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        - Politics ain't bean-bag. It's time we remembered that fact.  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 12:29 PM   #20 
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              - Thanks. I think we agree more than we disagree. At least I hope so.  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 12:54 PM   #28 
  - NO  benddem   Sep-08-11 08:03 AM   #4 
  - Of course he does. IF Obama was the leader of the Democratic party, ...  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 08:26 AM   #7 
  - He certainly had the power NOT to open a new black site in Mogadishu.  EFerrari   Sep-08-11 08:29 AM   #8 
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  - K&R  BeFree   Sep-08-11 08:15 AM   #5 
  - What you said  izquierdista   Sep-08-11 08:16 AM   #6 
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  - So much misinformation its hard to know where to start.  grantcart   Sep-08-11 08:46 AM   #11 
  - Well, you're welcome to start anywhere within the content of my OP, ...  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 09:04 AM   #12 
  - I saw you Long Goodbye, must have missed the Hello Again.  Bluenorthwest   Sep-08-11 09:12 AM   #13 
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  - That's because they know deep down, by his past actions, that he won't nix it.  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-08-11 12:14 PM   #16 
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  - K&R  G_j   Sep-08-11 12:15 PM   #17 
  - It has been explained over and over that a US President  treestar   Sep-08-11 12:17 PM   #18 
  - The President has the power (if only the power of the bully pulpit) to effect change ...  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 12:40 PM   #22 
     - I'm not going to take your word for it  treestar   Sep-08-11 12:51 PM   #26 
        - I've spent 41 years as an active (and activist) Democrat.  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 12:58 PM   #29 
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  - Sorry for the mid morning paranoia. (Didn't mean to distract my own thread.)  Fly by night   Sep-08-11 06:09 PM   #31 
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  - I agree with everything you say. However, to play devil's  truckin   Sep-09-11 09:16 AM   #34 
 

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