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Maine_Nurse Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:04 AM
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27. I'll grant you that...
Yeah, he shot a politician so it has political impact I suppose. And I do not disagree that there are a lot of the right that probably need meds as bad or worse than some of my patients (although there are plenty of the left that probably do too, just for different types of reasons).

But this guy is just plain unbalanced somehow. Aside from the fact that I can't diagnose, I haven't met and interviewed the person, but his behaviors, the timing of onset, and progressively worsening signs do imply a specific type of illness. IF that is the case, a raindrop could have urged him to kill. Really. And from some of his writings, it looks like he never intended to survive. Sometimes people can't just commit suicide themselves no matter how much they want to die. So they find what, to their warped thinking, is an acceptable way to get someone else to kill them. As for why he shot others, he might have gotten into a type of frenzy (4 shots to a 9-year old plays to that a bit) or he just wanted to keep doing something horrible until someone killed him.

By the way, thank you for being reasonable and providing explanation. Much appreciated.
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  -How to deflect the argument that the left jumped to conclusions in AZ. progressivebydesign  Jan-12-11 10:18 PM   #0 
  - Yes, they did create the focus on themselves and have nowhere  mmonk   Jan-12-11 10:20 PM   #1 
  - The police do have many 'persons of interest' and discuss things with many...  JustFiveMoreMinutes   Jan-12-11 10:22 PM   #2 
  - You'd have to be blind not to see the connections or willfully so.  Jefferson23   Jan-12-11 10:30 PM   #3 
  - +1  HuckleB   Jan-12-11 11:16 PM   #11 
  - For me, it would take more than blindness to make me not see it.  Jamastiene   Jan-13-11 10:56 AM   #53 
     - Yes, I agree, we can't afford as a nation to ignore this behavior any longer  Jefferson23   Jan-13-11 11:26 AM   #55 
  - after seeing people carrying guns to town hall meetings...  RainDog   Jan-12-11 10:35 PM   #4 
  - Umm...  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:12 PM   #9 
  - so democrats were at tea bagger rallies?  RainDog   Jan-12-11 11:20 PM   #13 
     - Ok, I think  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:29 PM   # 
        - Why do you need a gun at a town hall meeting? n/t  Jamastiene   Jan-13-11 11:10 PM   #79 
           - I carry most everywhere...  Maine_Nurse   Jan-14-11 03:37 PM   #81 
  - Loughner was hardly apolitcal, attending Giffords 2007 event and  jvanm   Jan-13-11 03:54 PM   #62 
  - I can help, if I may  WilliamPitt   Jan-12-11 10:45 PM   #5 
  - Yeah, but...  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:06 PM   #6 
  - couldn't disagree more. n/t  spanone   Jan-12-11 11:09 PM   #8 
  - couldn't care less  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:22 PM   #14 
     - Thank you.  emilyg   Jan-12-11 11:54 PM   #25 
     - Wrong.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 12:13 AM   #31 
     - Wrong?  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 12:37 AM   #36 
        - I've done that repeatedly.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 10:12 AM   #47 
        - I'll try...  Pedalpower   Jan-13-11 02:57 PM   #61 
     - Thank you. n/t  Catherina   Jan-13-11 04:22 AM   #39 
     - ^ I agree, Maine_Nurse ^  Mimosa   Jan-13-11 04:12 PM   #65 
  - I've never tried to run someone off the highway because of their  mmonk   Jan-12-11 11:16 PM   #10 
  - "If you see a Subaru with an Obama bumper sticker, stop the driver"  WorseBeforeBetter   Jan-13-11 06:03 PM   #71 
  - Thanks for the pure BS.  HuckleB   Jan-12-11 11:17 PM   #12 
  - Only one side is bringing guns to rallies & talking about "2d Amendment remedies."  DirkGently   Jan-12-11 11:27 PM   #15 
  - I agree with some of that  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:35 PM   #18 
  - Drew Westen , psychologist and neuroscientist:  Jefferson23   Jan-12-11 11:29 PM   #17 
  - +1  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 12:14 AM   #32 
  - Very well stated.  Jamastiene   Jan-13-11 11:08 PM   #78 
  - Rhetoric has consequences.  Le Taz Hot   Jan-13-11 05:38 AM   #45 
  - We are forgetting our manors.  lfairban   Jan-13-11 01:55 PM   #60 
  - the language of the right has been in the spotlight for some time  spanone   Jan-12-11 11:08 PM   #7 
  - He pointed his gun at a politician. Therefore it was politically motivated.  begin_within   Jan-12-11 11:28 PM   #16 
  - Except that it wasn't  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:37 PM   #19 
  - Except that it was  begin_within   Jan-12-11 11:45 PM   #20 
  - wow  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:52 PM   #23 
  - Wow  Maine_Nurse   Jan-12-11 11:53 PM   #24 
  - Interesting  kwolf68   Jan-12-11 11:56 PM   #26 
     - Ok, sort of  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 12:10 AM   #29 
     - If you read the most current stuff about him, he was a right wing extremist.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 12:16 AM   #33 
        - hard to tell  kwolf68   Jan-13-11 12:24 AM   #34 
        - He was very unhappy with the wars. Friends said he hated Bush for them.  Catherina   Jan-13-11 04:55 AM   #41 
        - He went on about things that only a couple of RW dufuses spread online.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 10:14 AM   #48 
        - Not that hard to tell. That Mother Jones piece..........  socialist_n_TN   Jan-13-11 09:10 PM   #76 
        - Doubtful  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 12:46 AM   #37 
           - Thanks for weighing in Maine_Nurse. I appreciate your contributions.  Catherina   Jan-13-11 05:12 AM   #42 
           - Unfortunately, they show very little understanding of the true complexity of mental health issues.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 11:44 AM   #58 
              - Well...  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 12:32 PM   #59 
                 - And now you show that you're making assumptions you cannot make.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 05:34 PM   #69 
           - Then you have no idea what you're talking about.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 10:15 AM   #49 
              - Really??  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 11:27 AM   #56 
                 - In other words, you think you can generalize from a very minute portion of the mh population.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 11:42 AM   #57 
                 - My ex-boss' mother-in-law once said I was evil because I have brown eyes.  Jamastiene   Jan-13-11 11:26 PM   #80 
     - Yeah I caught that too  Crystal Clarity   Jan-13-11 04:22 PM   #67 
        - Confused?  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 05:26 PM   #68 
  - Well...  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 05:50 PM   #70 
     - You caught me...  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 07:22 PM   #72 
        - If the shoe fits...  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 07:43 PM   #74 
  - It absolutely WAS a political attack  kwolf68   Jan-12-11 11:45 PM   #21 
     - I'll grant you that...  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 12:04 AM   #27 
        - No problem  kwolf68   Jan-13-11 12:09 AM   #28 
           - Absolutely  Maine_Nurse   Jan-13-11 12:35 AM   #35 
           - Not all Conservative are turd-burglers  kwolf68   Jan-13-11 12:56 AM   #38 
           - Well said (though I disagree about right-leaning claptrap).  Catherina   Jan-13-11 05:19 AM   #43 
  - A therefore B? That was Jared Loughner's way of reasoning.  Catherina   Jan-13-11 04:45 AM   #40 
  - and palin was also calling for the "un-american", julian assange  Mr Generic Other   Jan-12-11 11:50 PM   #22 
  - She needs to look at herself and make some serious amends  upi402   Jan-13-11 12:12 AM   #30 
  - horses..not zebras  SoCalDem   Jan-13-11 05:21 AM   #44 
  - So did right after Fort Hood  One_Life_To_Give   Jan-13-11 06:46 AM   #46 
  - By admitting it.  Iggo   Jan-13-11 10:30 AM   #50 
  - Our concerns are not without reason.  Jamastiene   Jan-13-11 10:50 AM   #51 
  - I deflect it by telling those folks to ...............  socialist_n_TN   Jan-13-11 10:56 AM   #52 
  - Wish I could rec your post! NT  raccoon   Jan-13-11 11:02 AM   #54 
  - You mean like Gerald Ford or Ronald Reagan?  Mimosa   Jan-13-11 04:14 PM   #66 
     - A couple of things................  socialist_n_TN   Jan-13-11 09:08 PM   #75 
        - You excluded Sara Jane Moore  lfairban   Jan-13-11 11:04 PM   #77 
  - Great post....  femrap   Jan-13-11 03:59 PM   #63 
  - After the litany of examples of violence and threats you mentioned...  GoCubsGo   Jan-13-11 04:06 PM   #64 
     - Exactly.... it's bogus in my Opinion  fascisthunter   Jan-13-11 07:34 PM   #73 

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