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185. Of course we know that everyone in prison is guilty.
Then again, we also know that prisoners do better when they have visits and contact with family and friends. Most will get out of prison someday so it's in our best interests if they succeed when they do get out because maybe they will live near you. Wouldn't that be special and ironic.

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  -We are a screwed up people... Arizona is gonna start charging people $25 to visit friends/relatives kpete  Sep-05-11 09:15 AM   #0 
  - It's just $25  digitaln3rd   Sep-05-11 09:17 AM   #1 
  - It's a fee on visitors, not the inmates.  Hosnon   Sep-05-11 09:20 AM   #4 
  - And the visitors are going to visit who?  digitaln3rd   Sep-05-11 10:22 AM   #37 
     - So, you are okay with punishing the families for the criminal's behavior?  GoCubsGo   Sep-05-11 10:24 AM   #38 
     - I highly doubt $25 is "punishing" families but..  digitaln3rd   Sep-05-11 11:17 AM   #44 
     - Don't count on my vote for you as Humanitarian of the Year  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 11:32 AM   #48 
     - he probally also cheers on prison rape n/t  RedRocco   Sep-05-11 08:59 PM   #128 
     - On what basis are you judging the families as "enabling the criminals"?  suffragette   Sep-05-11 11:33 AM   #49 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-11 12:42 PM   #71 
     - Let's just say my cousin  Mendocino   Sep-05-11 01:03 PM   #77 
     - "A bribe to the state," indeed. It's mob rule in every way.  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:17 PM   #120 
     - Of course they do. More than 10% of Arizona prisoners are contracted out to for-profit  DrunkenBoat   Sep-05-11 01:18 PM   #79 
     - Thankyou. You get it.  Gemini Cat   Sep-05-11 04:11 PM   #113 
     - OMG.  yardwork   Sep-05-11 02:34 PM   #93 
     - To paraphrase Gene Kelly in "Inherit the Wind":  SusanaMontana41   Sep-06-11 10:56 AM   #180 
     - wtf? NO it supposidly for background checks on INNOCENT AMERICANS  Drew Richards   Sep-05-11 03:39 PM   #106 
     - $25 is a hardship for any family who is underwater on their mortgage --  emcguffie   Sep-05-11 08:52 PM   #126 
     - Exactly - the guy that died from a tooth infection lacked $27 for medicine  csziggy   Sep-05-11 09:01 PM   #129 
     - the families are enabling the criminals?  fishwax   Sep-05-11 10:05 PM   #134 
     - Boy, talk about broad-brushing and insensitivity...you win the prize. nt  raccoon   Sep-06-11 08:09 AM   #158 
     - You really should quit while you're ahead.  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-06-11 08:18 AM   #161 
     - Why do you want to further cut contact with the community...  Ferret Annica   Sep-06-11 09:24 AM   #167 
     - Your posts are absolutely stunning in their insensitivity and  COLGATE4   Sep-06-11 09:39 AM   #173 
     - Welcome to my ignore list  COLGATE4   Sep-06-11 09:42 AM   #174 
     - problem is these people are poor  booley   Sep-06-11 03:20 PM   #183 
     - Number 1, You don't sound like a Democrat! #2  Auntie Bush   Sep-05-11 12:07 PM   #66 
     - America has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners  Hippo_Tron   Sep-05-11 11:43 AM   #56 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-11 11:54 AM   #61 
     - Forgive me for not coddling criminals.  digitaln3rd   Sep-05-11 12:49 PM   #74 
        - I'll simply repeat what Hippo Tron said  tkmorris   Sep-05-11 04:16 PM   #117 
        - It may be that you are extraordinarily poorly informed.  emcguffie   Sep-05-11 08:54 PM   #127 
        - A lot of those "criminals" are just people who got caught with a small  tblue37   Sep-06-11 02:01 AM   #144 
        - Because not charging a fee is  ohheckyeah   Sep-06-11 02:06 AM   #145 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 02:07 AM   #147 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 07:06 AM   #153 
        - And we really SHOULD charge the prisoner's kids who want to come see their dad  AllyCat   Sep-06-11 09:35 AM   #169 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-11 11:55 AM   #63 
     - See post # 66. It was meant for you...not post #38  Auntie Bush   Sep-05-11 12:26 PM   #67 
     - So why don't you join them if you think it's such a cushy existence? Look, Ma; No rent!  WinkyDink   Sep-05-11 12:43 PM   #73 
     - Again, it's a fee on the visitors, not the inmates.  Hosnon   Sep-05-11 01:20 PM   #80 
     - Do you REALLY think that everyone in prison is a 'petty thug'?  MH1   Sep-05-11 02:07 PM   #87 
     - Its a jail not a fucking zoo  eilen   Sep-05-11 08:30 PM   #123 
     - tool  snooper2   Sep-06-11 08:40 AM   #164 
     - Your antecedents are all confused. Try again.  truth2power   Sep-06-11 09:00 AM   #165 
  - The visitors are paying the $25 not the inmate, did  doc03   Sep-05-11 09:23 AM   #5 
  - +1 and these so-called Christians always forget  K8-EEE   Sep-05-11 11:14 AM   #43 
     - They aren't 'Christians' in any meaningful sense of the term. (OK,  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 02:57 PM   #99 
        - I believe it was Chaplain Tappman who was an Anabaptist in Catch 22,  enuegii   Sep-05-11 09:29 PM   #132 
           - Oy vey, my memory goes rusty with age.Of course it's  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 10:21 PM   #135 
  - -1 n/t  FSogol   Sep-05-11 09:24 AM   #6 
  - really?  xchrom   Sep-05-11 09:33 AM   #10 
  - O M G...if I say what I should, I will probably get tossed, so just OMG  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-05-11 09:33 AM   #11 
  - No, we hold our tongues  Cirque du So-What   Sep-05-11 09:44 AM   #20 
  - Same here. At a bare minimum, where is our Martin Luther King, Jr.?  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 09:59 AM   #28 
  - I'm sitting here OMGing for the same reason!  City Lights   Sep-05-11 11:49 AM   #60 
  - +1 You and me both.  Gemini Cat   Sep-05-11 04:17 PM   #119 
  - In The Grapes of Wrath, some characters were 'Okies'...  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 04:25 PM   #121 
  - oh, you know, brother.  Bluebear   Sep-05-11 09:35 AM   #16 
  - "Just $25" = no access when you don't have a dollar in your pocket nt  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 09:38 AM   #18 
  - That's $25 *per person*  LastLiberal in PalmSprings   Sep-06-11 12:10 AM   #138 
  - Welcome to DU..  Fumesucker   Sep-05-11 09:38 AM   #19 
  - I hope he doesn't ...  ebayfool   Sep-05-11 12:42 PM   #72 
  - Reading comprehension is a must. Try it some time.  TalkingDog   Sep-05-11 09:49 AM   #21 
  - My my my. nt  SusanaMontana41   Sep-05-11 09:56 AM   #25 
  - -1  Sherman A1   Sep-05-11 10:03 AM   #31 
  - Right out of the box from a RW think tank.  grahamhgreen   Sep-05-11 10:10 AM   #33 
  - Are people who haven't committed crimes exempt from the fee?  FormerDittoHead   Sep-05-11 11:28 AM   #47 
  - What an idiotic statement.  Lucian   Sep-05-11 11:38 AM   #52 
  - ...such empathy...  roody   Sep-05-11 11:39 AM   #54 
  - We need to start harvesting live prisoner organs to pay back society for their indiscretions.  WingDinger   Sep-05-11 11:47 AM   #59 
  - And after their generous 'organ donation,' we can use them to make Soylent Green!1!!  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 11:55 AM   #62 
     - Their bones can make fertilizer,  Mendocino   Sep-05-11 01:47 PM   #86 
     - HAHA, nice.  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:06 PM   #111 
  - gross  H2O Man   Sep-05-11 11:55 AM   #64 
  - Maybe, you know, if people pay their taxes to help build these  sabrina 1   Sep-05-11 12:31 PM   #68 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-11 12:58 PM   #76 
  - The sins of the father....ring a bell anyone?  rustydog   Sep-05-11 01:14 PM   #78 
  - Please back away from the broad brush, thanks. n/t  PavePusher   Sep-05-11 10:03 PM   #133 
  - Not sure about Arizonans as a whole, but the state legislature is full  coalition_unwilling   Sep-06-11 02:15 AM   #148 
  - The fee is for the people who want to visit them,  Jamastiene   Sep-05-11 02:47 PM   #97 
  - This includes people AWAITING TRIAL. In other words, not yet found guilty. In other words, INNOCENT  AlienGirl   Sep-05-11 03:31 PM   #105 
  - I drove 150 miles to visit my brother in jail (he did some stupid stuff).  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:06 PM   #110 
  - you're a good bro', jc  Skittles   Sep-06-11 02:06 AM   #146 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-11 04:17 PM   #118 
  - dumbest post in years  spanone   Sep-05-11 09:02 PM   #130 
  - Crazy Sheriff Joe, is that you?  Brigid   Sep-06-11 12:57 AM   #141 
  - it is fucking SICKENING  Skittles   Sep-06-11 01:58 AM   #143 
  - An even easier solution  Bragi   Sep-06-11 07:34 AM   #156 
  - Obviously you and Arizona law makers can NOT be Christians.  fasttense   Sep-06-11 08:33 AM   #163 
  - Maybe they are, you know, not guilty! nt  DocMac   Sep-06-11 09:12 AM   #166 
  - So, I'm reading your idiotic repsonses and your pathetic view of the world...  joeybee12   Sep-06-11 10:47 AM   #179 
  - so you are 100% sure that every person in those prisons is 100% guilty?  CreekDog   Sep-06-11 11:01 AM   #181 
  - This has got to be one of the more ignorant, flame-bait posts ever.  Matariki   Sep-06-11 03:56 PM   #184 
  - Of course we know that everyone in prison is guilty.  elocs   Sep-07-11 08:32 AM   #185 
  - You're paying to be registered and monitored by the government in order  no_hypocrisy   Sep-05-11 09:17 AM   #2 
  - I would bet the vast majority of the families that have  doc03   Sep-05-11 09:20 AM   #3 
  - Bingo! A fee = fewer family visits  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 09:26 AM   #8 
  - And Less Monitoring of Conditions, As a Result  NashVegas   Sep-05-11 10:22 AM   #36 
  - Less visitors and then eventually no visitors  MadMaddie   Sep-05-11 08:50 PM   #125 
  - There is a constitutional right to vote. Is there a constitutional right to visit prisoners?  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-07-11 08:35 AM   #186 
  - And have warrants maybe?  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-05-11 09:34 AM   #15 
  - I'd guess it's more likely a ploy to identify gang affiliates.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-05-11 10:10 AM   #34 
     - They can do that by requiring ID/  Incitatus   Sep-05-11 10:27 AM   #39 
     - In my experience they write down the ID, and do the checks later.  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:15 PM   #116 
     - They're not adding any checks to the screening they already do  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 10:29 AM   #41 
        - Instead of taxing the fucking rich to pay for the prison industrial complex  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 03:05 PM   #100 
           - "Round up the usual suspects"  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 03:13 PM   #103 
  - Exactly.  Jamastiene   Sep-05-11 02:44 PM   #96 
  - As someone said down thread, it's a "poor tax." Best way to put it.  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:13 PM   #115 
  - Are their prisons under private contract? EOM  Frustratedlady   Sep-05-11 09:24 AM   #7 
  - I'm pretty sure that the prison in Florence  blueamy66   Sep-05-11 09:34 AM   #14 
  - my first thought.  mopinko   Sep-05-11 10:02 AM   #30 
  - What a bunch of horseshit.  blueamy66   Sep-05-11 09:32 AM   #9 
  - Sounds like "for profit" prisons.  Vinca   Sep-05-11 09:33 AM   #12 
  - We have become a nation that puts greed over morality.  Odin2005   Sep-05-11 09:33 AM   #13 
  - Exactly so Odin.  suffragette   Sep-05-11 11:34 AM   #50 
  - It's not $25.00 per visit, it's a one time fee. The OP doesn't  sufrommich   Sep-05-11 09:37 AM   #17 
  - Well, to be fair, it says "to visit" not "per visit"  Capitalocracy   Sep-05-11 09:55 AM   #24 
  - Oh, well, that makes things SO much better!  Cirque du So-What   Sep-05-11 09:57 AM   #26 
  - On top of it taking "up to 60 days for the department to approve the applications"  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 10:20 AM   #35 
  - "...The one-time background check fee..." is right out of the OP. It seems clear. nt  Obamanaut   Sep-05-11 12:50 PM   #75 
     - One time $25 fee for each visitor  LastLiberal in PalmSprings   Sep-06-11 12:22 AM   #140 
        - The legislature foolishly overlooked the fact that many of the terrorists will  coalition_unwilling   Sep-06-11 01:55 AM   #142 
        - Of course it would be for *each* visitor. If Visitor A had a background  Obamanaut   Sep-06-11 07:38 AM   #157 
  - Do they really need to background check the visitors?  treestar   Sep-05-11 09:51 AM   #22 
  - Looking for "Wants and Warrants" on the visitors. n/t  monmouth   Sep-05-11 09:58 AM   #27 
  - Wouldn't that be a violation of the 4th ammendment? They can't run you for warrants unless they  Erose999   Sep-06-11 09:35 AM   #170 
     - The whole 4th Amendment quesiton is a moot point, as the  coalition_unwilling   Sep-06-11 02:48 PM   #182 
  - Yep. I've experienced that - any opportunity to find  treestar   Sep-05-11 09:59 AM   #29 
  - Wow. That's cold. nt  Honeycombe8   Sep-05-11 09:52 AM   #23 
  - This is an absolute outrage and the Arizona chapter of the ACLU  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 10:06 AM   #32 
  - They should be happy  LaValle   Sep-05-11 10:28 AM   #40 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-11 10:47 AM   #42 
     - Yes, Honduras is a mess under the governance of the oligarchy  EFerrari   Sep-05-11 11:23 AM   #45 
     - Oh boy, we're better than Honduras!  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-05-11 12:36 PM   #70 
     - I rejoice in their good fortune.  immoderate   Sep-05-11 03:06 PM   #101 
     - I alerted on you. nt  raccoon   Sep-06-11 08:14 AM   #159 
     - Clearly, the Honduran's need a revolution!  DocMac   Sep-06-11 09:49 AM   #176 
  - Why stop there?  bluedigger   Sep-05-11 11:28 AM   #46 
  - They won't stop there. Once republican win this battle and are cheered  bluestate10   Sep-05-11 01:35 PM   #85 
  - +1, it won't stop there is right.  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:07 PM   #112 
  - Put a taxi meter in the patrol car  KurtNYC   Sep-06-11 08:19 AM   #162 
  - how disgusting-- and a perfect "conservative" policy  spooked911   Sep-05-11 11:36 AM   #51 
  - I had to pay a fee for my background checks for a job and a permit.  aikoaiko   Sep-05-11 11:39 AM   #53 
  - There is no background check and the fee goes to repair and maintenance  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 11:44 AM   #57 
  - Are you saying that they simply record that info without looking in a database?  aikoaiko   Sep-05-11 12:35 PM   #69 
  - Then is there an assumption that  Mendocino   Sep-05-11 01:34 PM   #83 
     - No, but the prison has an interest in prisoners not associating with known criminals.  aikoaiko   Sep-05-11 02:20 PM   #90 
        - Keeping all the criminals together in one place keeps them from "associating with known cirminals"  Erose999   Sep-06-11 09:39 AM   #171 
           - True, but the fellow incarcerated convicts are also under the control of prison.  aikoaiko   Sep-06-11 10:40 AM   #178 
  - Back when i studied corrections. Contact with the family had a very nice correlation  dembotoz   Sep-05-11 11:43 AM   #55 
  - Nah, recidivism helps their bottom line, right?  MH1   Sep-05-11 02:11 PM   #88 
  - Why not just charge by the weight of the drugs and weapons the visitors bring in?  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-05-11 11:44 AM   #58 
  - Thank you so much for taking Janet. See, really no effect at all.  Safetykitten   Sep-05-11 12:06 PM   #65 
  - Not sure where I see in their Bible about charging to be allowed to visit  Patiod   Sep-05-11 01:26 PM   #81 
  - Sounds like a good model  Morning Dew   Sep-05-11 01:35 PM   #84 
  - Another case where republican dominant governments start by picking on the weakest.  bluestate10   Sep-05-11 01:30 PM   #82 
  - Oh, that oughta do a lot for morale.  KamaAina   Sep-05-11 02:12 PM   #89 
  - If Texas is the "Laboratory for bad government"...  ThoughtCriminal   Sep-05-11 02:20 PM   #91 
  - So you should *pay* to visit a loved one in prison  War Horse   Sep-05-11 02:33 PM   #92 
  - Their first line of thinking is: The state needs money  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 02:40 PM   #94 
     - You are probably right  War Horse   Sep-05-11 02:54 PM   #98 
  - The article states its a "one-time background check fee" for visitors -  lynne   Sep-05-11 02:43 PM   #95 
  - Except they don't do a background check. It's a poor tax.  immoderate   Sep-05-11 03:09 PM   #102 
     - +1000  pinboy3niner   Sep-05-11 03:17 PM   #104 
  - I just want to thank everyone in this thread who is opposed to this.  ZombieHorde   Sep-05-11 03:48 PM   #107 
  - If you want to do a bit more, you can donate to the following  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 03:59 PM   #108 
  - I truly love this thread, reminds me of old school DU.  joshcryer   Sep-05-11 04:13 PM   #114 
  - I cannot believe this will pass Constitutional muster...  rasputin1952   Sep-05-11 04:05 PM   #109 
  - forget rehabilitation  southmost   Sep-05-11 05:31 PM   #122 
  - What did they say? Privatize it, nothing will really change.  MadMaddie   Sep-05-11 08:44 PM   #124 
  - The (R)s are going for what I call "The Full Matthew"!  Motown_Johnny   Sep-05-11 09:14 PM   #131 
  - Excellent citation. The Repukes are still on the Book of Leviticus. They  coalition_unwilling   Sep-05-11 10:33 PM   #136 
  - And here's another one, my personal favorite:  Brigid   Sep-06-11 12:15 AM   #139 
  - This Extortion is ridiculous and unnecessary. There is no reason to burden  Ilsa   Sep-05-11 11:16 PM   #137 
  - So, on top of how unfair this is  ohheckyeah   Sep-06-11 02:19 AM   #149 
  - I call them 'dangerous' men and women, so called because  coalition_unwilling   Sep-06-11 02:23 AM   #150 
     - Dangerous, yes,  ohheckyeah   Sep-06-11 02:44 AM   #152 
        - Insofar as Hannah Arendt used the phrase 'banality of evil' to refer  coalition_unwilling   Sep-06-11 09:49 AM   #175 
  - This is how far into fascism and fascist legal system we are at this point -- !!  defendandprotect   Sep-06-11 02:35 AM   #151 
  - Guess what a prison will have to do to get more visitors in order to increase profits?  Chimichurri   Sep-06-11 07:26 AM   #154 
  - My Question  RobinA   Sep-06-11 07:33 AM   #155 
  - i dont really have a problem with it  rdking647   Sep-06-11 08:17 AM   #160 
  - For the brazillionth time . . .  Brigid   Sep-06-11 09:39 AM   #172 
  - Wish we could assess a fee for people who sound off without even reading the OP first.  dixiegrrrrl   Sep-07-11 09:28 AM   #187 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 09:53 AM   #177 
  - Gov's in on that private for profit prison industrial complex. Surprised she's only charging 25  lonestarnot   Sep-06-11 09:25 AM   #168 
     - If they get away with this, the fee WILL increase.  dixiegrrrrl   Sep-07-11 10:02 AM   #188 
 

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