| 167. Why do you want to further cut contact with the community... |
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... These men and women will have to rejoin when their prison term is up?
Better to get cannabis users and all others out who should not be there then to hold people hostage to a bogus fee to visit their loved ones when they have not done anything illegal. BTW, were you the class snitch and a teacher's pet in high school?
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| -We are a screwed up people... Arizona is gonna start charging people $25 to visit friends/relatives |
kpete |
Sep-05-11 09:15 AM |
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It's just $25 |
digitaln3rd |
Sep-05-11 09:17 AM |
#1 |
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It's a fee on visitors, not the inmates. |
Hosnon |
Sep-05-11 09:20 AM |
#4 |
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And the visitors are going to visit who? |
digitaln3rd |
Sep-05-11 10:22 AM |
#37 |
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So, you are okay with punishing the families for the criminal's behavior? |
GoCubsGo |
Sep-05-11 10:24 AM |
#38 |
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I highly doubt $25 is "punishing" families but.. |
digitaln3rd |
Sep-05-11 11:17 AM |
#44 |
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Don't count on my vote for you as Humanitarian of the Year |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 11:32 AM |
#48 |
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he probally also cheers on prison rape n/t |
RedRocco |
Sep-05-11 08:59 PM |
#128 |
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On what basis are you judging the families as "enabling the criminals"? |
suffragette |
Sep-05-11 11:33 AM |
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Sep-05-11 12:42 PM |
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Let's just say my cousin |
Mendocino |
Sep-05-11 01:03 PM |
#77 |
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"A bribe to the state," indeed. It's mob rule in every way. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:17 PM |
#120 |
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Of course they do. More than 10% of Arizona prisoners are contracted out to for-profit |
DrunkenBoat |
Sep-05-11 01:18 PM |
#79 |
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Thankyou. You get it. |
Gemini Cat |
Sep-05-11 04:11 PM |
#113 |
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OMG. |
yardwork |
Sep-05-11 02:34 PM |
#93 |
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To paraphrase Gene Kelly in "Inherit the Wind": |
SusanaMontana41 |
Sep-06-11 10:56 AM |
#180 |
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wtf? NO it supposidly for background checks on INNOCENT AMERICANS |
Drew Richards |
Sep-05-11 03:39 PM |
#106 |
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$25 is a hardship for any family who is underwater on their mortgage -- |
emcguffie |
Sep-05-11 08:52 PM |
#126 |
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Exactly - the guy that died from a tooth infection lacked $27 for medicine |
csziggy |
Sep-05-11 09:01 PM |
#129 |
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the families are enabling the criminals? |
fishwax |
Sep-05-11 10:05 PM |
#134 |
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Boy, talk about broad-brushing and insensitivity...you win the prize. nt |
raccoon |
Sep-06-11 08:09 AM |
#158 |
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You really should quit while you're ahead. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-06-11 08:18 AM |
#161 |
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Why do you want to further cut contact with the community... |
Ferret Annica |
Sep-06-11 09:24 AM |
#167 |
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Your posts are absolutely stunning in their insensitivity and |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-06-11 09:39 AM |
#173 |
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Welcome to my ignore list |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-06-11 09:42 AM |
#174 |
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problem is these people are poor |
booley |
Sep-06-11 03:20 PM |
#183 |
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Number 1, You don't sound like a Democrat! #2 |
Auntie Bush |
Sep-05-11 12:07 PM |
#66 |
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America has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners |
Hippo_Tron |
Sep-05-11 11:43 AM |
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Sep-05-11 11:54 AM |
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Forgive me for not coddling criminals. |
digitaln3rd |
Sep-05-11 12:49 PM |
#74 |
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I'll simply repeat what Hippo Tron said |
tkmorris |
Sep-05-11 04:16 PM |
#117 |
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It may be that you are extraordinarily poorly informed. |
emcguffie |
Sep-05-11 08:54 PM |
#127 |
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A lot of those "criminals" are just people who got caught with a small |
tblue37 |
Sep-06-11 02:01 AM |
#144 |
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Because not charging a fee is |
ohheckyeah |
Sep-06-11 02:06 AM |
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Sep-06-11 07:06 AM |
#153 |
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And we really SHOULD charge the prisoner's kids who want to come see their dad |
AllyCat |
Sep-06-11 09:35 AM |
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Sep-05-11 11:55 AM |
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See post # 66. It was meant for you...not post #38 |
Auntie Bush |
Sep-05-11 12:26 PM |
#67 |
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So why don't you join them if you think it's such a cushy existence? Look, Ma; No rent! |
WinkyDink |
Sep-05-11 12:43 PM |
#73 |
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Again, it's a fee on the visitors, not the inmates. |
Hosnon |
Sep-05-11 01:20 PM |
#80 |
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Do you REALLY think that everyone in prison is a 'petty thug'? |
MH1 |
Sep-05-11 02:07 PM |
#87 |
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Its a jail not a fucking zoo |
eilen |
Sep-05-11 08:30 PM |
#123 |
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tool |
snooper2 |
Sep-06-11 08:40 AM |
#164 |
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Your antecedents are all confused. Try again. |
truth2power |
Sep-06-11 09:00 AM |
#165 |
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The visitors are paying the $25 not the inmate, did |
doc03 |
Sep-05-11 09:23 AM |
#5 |
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+1 and these so-called Christians always forget |
K8-EEE |
Sep-05-11 11:14 AM |
#43 |
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They aren't 'Christians' in any meaningful sense of the term. (OK, |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 02:57 PM |
#99 |
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I believe it was Chaplain Tappman who was an Anabaptist in Catch 22, |
enuegii |
Sep-05-11 09:29 PM |
#132 |
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Oy vey, my memory goes rusty with age.Of course it's |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 10:21 PM |
#135 |
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-1 n/t |
FSogol |
Sep-05-11 09:24 AM |
#6 |
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really? |
xchrom |
Sep-05-11 09:33 AM |
#10 |
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O M G...if I say what I should, I will probably get tossed, so just OMG |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-05-11 09:33 AM |
#11 |
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No, we hold our tongues |
Cirque du So-What |
Sep-05-11 09:44 AM |
#20 |
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Same here. At a bare minimum, where is our Martin Luther King, Jr.? |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 09:59 AM |
#28 |
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I'm sitting here OMGing for the same reason! |
City Lights |
Sep-05-11 11:49 AM |
#60 |
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+1 You and me both. |
Gemini Cat |
Sep-05-11 04:17 PM |
#119 |
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In The Grapes of Wrath, some characters were 'Okies'... |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 04:25 PM |
#121 |
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oh, you know, brother. |
Bluebear |
Sep-05-11 09:35 AM |
#16 |
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"Just $25" = no access when you don't have a dollar in your pocket nt |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 09:38 AM |
#18 |
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That's $25 *per person* |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings |
Sep-06-11 12:10 AM |
#138 |
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Welcome to DU.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-05-11 09:38 AM |
#19 |
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I hope he doesn't ... |
ebayfool |
Sep-05-11 12:42 PM |
#72 |
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Reading comprehension is a must. Try it some time. |
TalkingDog |
Sep-05-11 09:49 AM |
#21 |
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My my my. nt |
SusanaMontana41 |
Sep-05-11 09:56 AM |
#25 |
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-1 |
Sherman A1 |
Sep-05-11 10:03 AM |
#31 |
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Right out of the box from a RW think tank. |
grahamhgreen |
Sep-05-11 10:10 AM |
#33 |
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Are people who haven't committed crimes exempt from the fee? |
FormerDittoHead |
Sep-05-11 11:28 AM |
#47 |
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What an idiotic statement. |
Lucian |
Sep-05-11 11:38 AM |
#52 |
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...such empathy... |
roody |
Sep-05-11 11:39 AM |
#54 |
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We need to start harvesting live prisoner organs to pay back society for their indiscretions. |
WingDinger |
Sep-05-11 11:47 AM |
#59 |
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And after their generous 'organ donation,' we can use them to make Soylent Green!1!! |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 11:55 AM |
#62 |
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Their bones can make fertilizer, |
Mendocino |
Sep-05-11 01:47 PM |
#86 |
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HAHA, nice. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:06 PM |
#111 |
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gross |
H2O Man |
Sep-05-11 11:55 AM |
#64 |
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Maybe, you know, if people pay their taxes to help build these |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-05-11 12:31 PM |
#68 |
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Sep-05-11 12:58 PM |
#76 |
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The sins of the father....ring a bell anyone? |
rustydog |
Sep-05-11 01:14 PM |
#78 |
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Please back away from the broad brush, thanks. n/t |
PavePusher |
Sep-05-11 10:03 PM |
#133 |
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Not sure about Arizonans as a whole, but the state legislature is full |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-06-11 02:15 AM |
#148 |
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The fee is for the people who want to visit them, |
Jamastiene |
Sep-05-11 02:47 PM |
#97 |
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This includes people AWAITING TRIAL. In other words, not yet found guilty. In other words, INNOCENT |
AlienGirl |
Sep-05-11 03:31 PM |
#105 |
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I drove 150 miles to visit my brother in jail (he did some stupid stuff). |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:06 PM |
#110 |
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you're a good bro', jc |
Skittles |
Sep-06-11 02:06 AM |
#146 |
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#118 |
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dumbest post in years |
spanone |
Sep-05-11 09:02 PM |
#130 |
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Crazy Sheriff Joe, is that you? |
Brigid |
Sep-06-11 12:57 AM |
#141 |
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it is fucking SICKENING |
Skittles |
Sep-06-11 01:58 AM |
#143 |
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An even easier solution |
Bragi |
Sep-06-11 07:34 AM |
#156 |
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Obviously you and Arizona law makers can NOT be Christians. |
fasttense |
Sep-06-11 08:33 AM |
#163 |
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Maybe they are, you know, not guilty! nt |
DocMac |
Sep-06-11 09:12 AM |
#166 |
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So, I'm reading your idiotic repsonses and your pathetic view of the world... |
joeybee12 |
Sep-06-11 10:47 AM |
#179 |
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so you are 100% sure that every person in those prisons is 100% guilty? |
CreekDog |
Sep-06-11 11:01 AM |
#181 |
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This has got to be one of the more ignorant, flame-bait posts ever. |
Matariki |
Sep-06-11 03:56 PM |
#184 |
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Of course we know that everyone in prison is guilty. |
elocs |
Sep-07-11 08:32 AM |
#185 |
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You're paying to be registered and monitored by the government in order |
no_hypocrisy |
Sep-05-11 09:17 AM |
#2 |
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I would bet the vast majority of the families that have |
doc03 |
Sep-05-11 09:20 AM |
#3 |
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Bingo! A fee = fewer family visits |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 09:26 AM |
#8 |
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And Less Monitoring of Conditions, As a Result |
NashVegas |
Sep-05-11 10:22 AM |
#36 |
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Less visitors and then eventually no visitors |
MadMaddie |
Sep-05-11 08:50 PM |
#125 |
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There is a constitutional right to vote. Is there a constitutional right to visit prisoners? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Sep-07-11 08:35 AM |
#186 |
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And have warrants maybe? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-05-11 09:34 AM |
#15 |
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I'd guess it's more likely a ploy to identify gang affiliates. |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-05-11 10:10 AM |
#34 |
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They can do that by requiring ID/ |
Incitatus |
Sep-05-11 10:27 AM |
#39 |
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In my experience they write down the ID, and do the checks later. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:15 PM |
#116 |
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They're not adding any checks to the screening they already do |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 10:29 AM |
#41 |
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Instead of taxing the fucking rich to pay for the prison industrial complex |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 03:05 PM |
#100 |
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"Round up the usual suspects" |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 03:13 PM |
#103 |
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Exactly. |
Jamastiene |
Sep-05-11 02:44 PM |
#96 |
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As someone said down thread, it's a "poor tax." Best way to put it. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:13 PM |
#115 |
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Are their prisons under private contract? EOM |
Frustratedlady |
Sep-05-11 09:24 AM |
#7 |
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I'm pretty sure that the prison in Florence |
blueamy66 |
Sep-05-11 09:34 AM |
#14 |
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my first thought. |
mopinko |
Sep-05-11 10:02 AM |
#30 |
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What a bunch of horseshit. |
blueamy66 |
Sep-05-11 09:32 AM |
#9 |
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Sounds like "for profit" prisons. |
Vinca |
Sep-05-11 09:33 AM |
#12 |
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We have become a nation that puts greed over morality. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-05-11 09:33 AM |
#13 |
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Exactly so Odin. |
suffragette |
Sep-05-11 11:34 AM |
#50 |
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It's not $25.00 per visit, it's a one time fee. The OP doesn't |
sufrommich |
Sep-05-11 09:37 AM |
#17 |
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Well, to be fair, it says "to visit" not "per visit" |
Capitalocracy |
Sep-05-11 09:55 AM |
#24 |
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Oh, well, that makes things SO much better! |
Cirque du So-What |
Sep-05-11 09:57 AM |
#26 |
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On top of it taking "up to 60 days for the department to approve the applications" |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 10:20 AM |
#35 |
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"...The one-time “background check fee”..." is right out of the OP. It seems clear. nt |
Obamanaut |
Sep-05-11 12:50 PM |
#75 |
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One time $25 fee for each visitor |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings |
Sep-06-11 12:22 AM |
#140 |
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The legislature foolishly overlooked the fact that many of the terrorists will |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-06-11 01:55 AM |
#142 |
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Of course it would be for *each* visitor. If Visitor A had a background |
Obamanaut |
Sep-06-11 07:38 AM |
#157 |
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Do they really need to background check the visitors? |
treestar |
Sep-05-11 09:51 AM |
#22 |
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Looking for "Wants and Warrants" on the visitors. n/t |
monmouth |
Sep-05-11 09:58 AM |
#27 |
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Wouldn't that be a violation of the 4th ammendment? They can't run you for warrants unless they |
Erose999 |
Sep-06-11 09:35 AM |
#170 |
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The whole 4th Amendment quesiton is a moot point, as the |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-06-11 02:48 PM |
#182 |
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Yep. I've experienced that - any opportunity to find |
treestar |
Sep-05-11 09:59 AM |
#29 |
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Wow. That's cold. nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-05-11 09:52 AM |
#23 |
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This is an absolute outrage and the Arizona chapter of the ACLU |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 10:06 AM |
#32 |
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They should be happy |
LaValle |
Sep-05-11 10:28 AM |
#40 |
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Sep-05-11 10:47 AM |
#42 |
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Yes, Honduras is a mess under the governance of the oligarchy |
EFerrari |
Sep-05-11 11:23 AM |
#45 |
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Oh boy, we're better than Honduras! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-05-11 12:36 PM |
#70 |
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I rejoice in their good fortune. |
immoderate |
Sep-05-11 03:06 PM |
#101 |
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I alerted on you. nt |
raccoon |
Sep-06-11 08:14 AM |
#159 |
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Clearly, the Honduran's need a revolution! |
DocMac |
Sep-06-11 09:49 AM |
#176 |
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Why stop there? |
bluedigger |
Sep-05-11 11:28 AM |
#46 |
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They won't stop there. Once republican win this battle and are cheered |
bluestate10 |
Sep-05-11 01:35 PM |
#85 |
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+1, it won't stop there is right. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:07 PM |
#112 |
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Put a taxi meter in the patrol car |
KurtNYC |
Sep-06-11 08:19 AM |
#162 |
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how disgusting-- and a perfect "conservative" policy |
spooked911 |
Sep-05-11 11:36 AM |
#51 |
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I had to pay a fee for my background checks for a job and a permit. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-05-11 11:39 AM |
#53 |
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There is no background check and the fee goes to repair and maintenance |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 11:44 AM |
#57 |
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Are you saying that they simply record that info without looking in a database? |
aikoaiko |
Sep-05-11 12:35 PM |
#69 |
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Then is there an assumption that |
Mendocino |
Sep-05-11 01:34 PM |
#83 |
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No, but the prison has an interest in prisoners not associating with known criminals. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-05-11 02:20 PM |
#90 |
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Keeping all the criminals together in one place keeps them from "associating with known cirminals" |
Erose999 |
Sep-06-11 09:39 AM |
#171 |
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True, but the fellow incarcerated convicts are also under the control of prison. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-06-11 10:40 AM |
#178 |
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Back when i studied corrections. Contact with the family had a very nice correlation |
dembotoz |
Sep-05-11 11:43 AM |
#55 |
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Nah, recidivism helps their bottom line, right? |
MH1 |
Sep-05-11 02:11 PM |
#88 |
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Why not just charge by the weight of the drugs and weapons the visitors bring in? |
Shagbark Hickory |
Sep-05-11 11:44 AM |
#58 |
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Thank you so much for taking Janet. See, really no effect at all. |
Safetykitten |
Sep-05-11 12:06 PM |
#65 |
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Not sure where I see in their Bible about charging to be allowed to visit |
Patiod |
Sep-05-11 01:26 PM |
#81 |
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Sounds like a good model |
Morning Dew |
Sep-05-11 01:35 PM |
#84 |
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Another case where republican dominant governments start by picking on the weakest. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-05-11 01:30 PM |
#82 |
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Oh, that oughta do a lot for morale. |
KamaAina |
Sep-05-11 02:12 PM |
#89 |
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If Texas is the "Laboratory for bad government"... |
ThoughtCriminal |
Sep-05-11 02:20 PM |
#91 |
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So you should *pay* to visit a loved one in prison |
War Horse |
Sep-05-11 02:33 PM |
#92 |
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Their first line of thinking is: The state needs money |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 02:40 PM |
#94 |
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You are probably right |
War Horse |
Sep-05-11 02:54 PM |
#98 |
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The article states its a "one-time background check fee" for visitors - |
lynne |
Sep-05-11 02:43 PM |
#95 |
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Except they don't do a background check. It's a poor tax. |
immoderate |
Sep-05-11 03:09 PM |
#102 |
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+1000 |
pinboy3niner |
Sep-05-11 03:17 PM |
#104 |
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I just want to thank everyone in this thread who is opposed to this. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-05-11 03:48 PM |
#107 |
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If you want to do a bit more, you can donate to the following |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 03:59 PM |
#108 |
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I truly love this thread, reminds me of old school DU. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-11 04:13 PM |
#114 |
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I cannot believe this will pass Constitutional muster... |
rasputin1952 |
Sep-05-11 04:05 PM |
#109 |
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forget rehabilitation |
southmost |
Sep-05-11 05:31 PM |
#122 |
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What did they say? Privatize it, nothing will really change. |
MadMaddie |
Sep-05-11 08:44 PM |
#124 |
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The (R)s are going for what I call "The Full Matthew"! |
Motown_Johnny |
Sep-05-11 09:14 PM |
#131 |
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Excellent citation. The Repukes are still on the Book of Leviticus. They |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-05-11 10:33 PM |
#136 |
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And here's another one, my personal favorite: |
Brigid |
Sep-06-11 12:15 AM |
#139 |
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This Extortion is ridiculous and unnecessary. There is no reason to burden |
Ilsa |
Sep-05-11 11:16 PM |
#137 |
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So, on top of how unfair this is |
ohheckyeah |
Sep-06-11 02:19 AM |
#149 |
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I call them 'dangerous' men and women, so called because |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-06-11 02:23 AM |
#150 |
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Dangerous, yes, |
ohheckyeah |
Sep-06-11 02:44 AM |
#152 |
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Insofar as Hannah Arendt used the phrase 'banality of evil' to refer |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-06-11 09:49 AM |
#175 |
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This is how far into fascism and fascist legal system we are at this point -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-06-11 02:35 AM |
#151 |
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Guess what a prison will have to do to get more visitors in order to increase profits? |
Chimichurri |
Sep-06-11 07:26 AM |
#154 |
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My Question |
RobinA |
Sep-06-11 07:33 AM |
#155 |
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i dont really have a problem with it |
rdking647 |
Sep-06-11 08:17 AM |
#160 |
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For the brazillionth time . . . |
Brigid |
Sep-06-11 09:39 AM |
#172 |
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Wish we could assess a fee for people who sound off without even reading the OP first. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Sep-07-11 09:28 AM |
#187 |
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Sep-06-11 09:53 AM |
#177 |
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Gov's in on that private for profit prison industrial complex. Surprised she's only charging 25 |
lonestarnot |
Sep-06-11 09:25 AM |
#168 |
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If they get away with this, the fee WILL increase. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Sep-07-11 10:02 AM |
#188 |
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