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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:20 AM
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146. Tail Wagging the Dog
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 11:22 AM by Roy Rolling
I think this is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Progressives have an honest and visceral belief system of fairness, equality, and effectiveness. Candidates that will carry out policies that advance those beliefs will get our support. We are not hero-worshippers that will support a candidate just because they have the Democratic-brand burned in their skin.

Typically, Democrats supported a progressive versus reactionary agenda. If they stray, they lose support. In an election between a bad choice and a worse choice we will support the bad choice. But a non-progressive and reactionary Democrat will not get the support of progressives , in general, unless the opponent is bat-shit crazy.

And that is the good news for Obama---he will win IN SPITE of his policies, not because of his policies.
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  -The anti Obama sentiment from the HONEST left is Obama's own fault, in my view Stinky The Clown  Sep-02-11 02:13 PM   #0 
  - Obama is not a king that I need to bow down to and respect for fear of my life  LonePirate   Sep-02-11 02:15 PM   #1 
  - The anti Obama sentiment is the greatest friend the GOP could ever have.  Kurmudgeon   Sep-03-11 07:08 AM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-03-11 08:38 AM   #92 
  - No, I think the death count from George and Dick's decisions carries some weight.  Kurmudgeon   Sep-03-11 09:32 AM   #111 
     - My biggest argument with Party leadership is that it is LEADING to right wing rule  Go2Peace   Sep-03-11 09:54 AM   #116 
        - +1000  Armstead   Sep-03-11 01:09 PM   #176 
        - Whether we cave to Repubs or elect Repubs, either way they win.  tblue   Sep-03-11 02:20 PM   #198 
  - No. The greatest friend the GOP has is enabling "Democrats"  Jakes Progress   Sep-03-11 09:04 AM   #99 
  - I agree with this. As the country moves hard right, enablers aren't helping our cause.  yardwork   Sep-03-11 09:11 AM   #102 
  - And it's not "the country" moving right--it's the Establishment  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-03-11 09:15 AM   #106 
  - Very good point. The people don't agree with this, but too many will vote for it anyway.  yardwork   Sep-03-11 09:32 AM   # 
  - Well said. Especially this:  CrispyQ   Sep-03-11 09:59 AM   #119 
  - 2010 MidTerm had consequences, let's hope everyone remembers next time.  Kurmudgeon   Sep-03-11 09:33 AM   #113 
  - Yes, Leadership lost the initiative by not providing a clear alternative  Go2Peace   Sep-03-11 09:57 AM   #118 
  - The Party primaried North Carolina's best chance to elect a Democratic senator  yardwork   Sep-03-11 10:48 AM   #133 
  - Blanche Lincoln.  Jackpine Radical   Sep-03-11 11:01 AM   #137 
  - Yes. All over the country this happened.  yardwork   Sep-03-11 01:58 PM   #193 
  - I could have lived with the primary  dsc   Sep-03-11 04:11 PM   #207 
     - Yes, the runoff was when I parted company with the Democrats. I may vote Democratic  yardwork   Sep-03-11 05:51 PM   #212 
  - the odd thing about that  Claudia Jones   Sep-03-11 10:50 AM   #136 
  - yes, 2010 has consequences  newspeak   Sep-03-11 11:50 AM   #152 
  - Yes, we need to rid the party of the Koch-Democrats. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:30 PM   #161 
  - yeah, the Dems sure screwed that one up  mitchtv   Sep-03-11 01:16 PM   #181 
  - The administration is who needs to remember...or finally learn.  Jakes Progress   Sep-03-11 05:04 PM   #210 
  - +100000000000000000000000!  FirstLight   Sep-03-11 11:38 AM   #150 
  - Agree. Rid the party of the Koch-Democrats. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:34 PM   #164 
  - Sad but true  Mosaic   Sep-03-11 11:03 AM   #138 
  - actually it isn't. letting him know public opinion is patriotic  roguevalley   Sep-03-11 12:05 PM   #157 
  - Wrong, the greatest friend of the REpublians are the Koch-Democrats that enable Pres Obama's move  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:31 PM   #162 
  - Ah yes, another "we must support Obama because otherwise the world is gonna end!!!" type.  StreetKnowledge   Sep-03-11 12:48 PM   #169 
  - Okay. And what will be his campaign theme & slogan?  tblue   Sep-03-11 02:31 PM   #201 
  - There are two slogans.  Jakes Progress   Sep-03-11 05:09 PM   #211 
  - NO, Obama's pro GOP POLICY MAKING is the GOP's Best Friend.  LaydeeBug   Sep-03-11 08:53 PM   #214 
  - times infinity, LonePirate  roguevalley   Sep-03-11 12:04 PM   #156 
  - Pretty much perfectly states where I'm at.  Mojambo   Sep-02-11 02:17 PM   #2 
  - Agreed!  joshdawg   Sep-03-11 09:12 AM   #104 
     - A lot of that going around.  Jackpine Radical   Sep-03-11 11:04 AM   #141 
  - I'm starting to think of Obama the way I felt about George Bush. I'm  monmouth   Sep-02-11 02:22 PM   #3 
  - Me, too. When I look at him I see someone who wants to hurt me - like Bush.  Peregrine Took   Sep-02-11 03:38 PM   #10 
  - As someone who doesn't care what I think and feel.  tblue   Sep-03-11 02:34 PM   #202 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-02-11 04:31 PM   #17 
  - Thank you..n/t  monmouth   Sep-02-11 04:39 PM   #19 
  - I feel the same way  MissDeeds   Sep-02-11 05:23 PM   #40 
  - Yep. Obama's a major disappointment. Big words - no action. (Unless that was the original plan)..  cyberpj   Sep-03-11 08:43 AM   #94 
  - I disagree  OswegoAtheist   Sep-02-11 05:39 PM   #41 
  - Thaks, OAtheist! The O=W analogy is just wrong.  FredStembottom   Sep-03-11 12:06 AM   #43 
  - Agree, one hit us with a stick 10 times while the other, only 2 times. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:35 PM   #165 
  - He has a poor understanding of business  SixthSense   Sep-03-11 01:25 AM   #44 
     - There is no such thing as "supply and demand". It's a complete myth. I'm not arguing  Exilednight   Sep-03-11 05:56 AM   #64 
  - very well said  justabob   Sep-03-11 01:55 AM   #46 
  - Same here.  Shining Jack   Sep-03-11 03:49 AM   #50 
  - "Words words words, I'm so sick of words  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-03-11 09:17 AM   #109 
  - Yup. Well said.  bayareamike   Sep-02-11 02:23 PM   #4 
  - I'm still ticked at him (and Axelrod) for calling the Clintons 'racist.'  Rageneau   Sep-02-11 02:25 PM   #5 
  - LOL...still remember Hillary touting how she was the choice of "hard working people...WHITE people".  TwilightGardener   Sep-02-11 02:27 PM   #6 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-02-11 05:20 PM   #39 
  - Why does what you call the "honest" Left persist in being dishonest?  johnaries   Sep-02-11 02:34 PM   #7 
  - Mrs. Clinton?  Rex   Sep-02-11 02:40 PM   #9 
  - If you think that article makes it sound like he supported single-payer  NewJeffCT   Sep-03-11 08:43 AM   #95 
     - Try as you might, you failed the objective.  Rex   Sep-03-11 12:14 PM   #159 
        - you were the one quoting Obama  NewJeffCT   Sep-03-11 01:11 PM   #177 
           - But that wasn't my point.  Rex   Sep-03-11 01:17 PM   #184 
              - Yes, Clinton might have done a better job  NewJeffCT   Sep-03-11 01:29 PM   #187 
  - It doesn't matter  Proud Public Servant   Sep-02-11 03:57 PM   #12 
  - Bingo.  ihavenobias   Sep-02-11 04:31 PM   #18 
  - +1  davidwparker   Sep-03-11 04:48 AM   #57 
  - Yes, you'd think someone who'd been to law school would know more about  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-03-11 09:22 AM   #110 
  - Or, failing that, you'd think he might have been to a flea market or yard sale  QC   Sep-04-11 10:59 PM   #222 
  - not true.  tomp   Sep-03-11 10:07 AM   #121 
  - Single-payer wasn't even on the table with Dems. I don't know how  johnaries   Sep-02-11 06:03 PM   #42 
     - The point that everybody is making is that  dgibby   Sep-03-11 08:23 AM   #86 
     - THAT'S the problem  Armstead   Sep-03-11 01:16 PM   #182 
  - "He has given us near-Universal healthcare." NO HE HASN'T  TransitJohn   Sep-02-11 05:09 PM   #28 
  - +1  Shining Jack   Sep-03-11 03:56 AM   #51 
  - +2  davidwparker   Sep-03-11 04:49 AM   #58 
  - Well said!  dgibby   Sep-03-11 08:24 AM   #88 
  - Thank you.  yardwork   Sep-03-11 09:14 AM   #105 
  - Let's get a few things straight.  Exilednight   Sep-03-11 06:05 AM   #65 
  - Well if you're gonna be picky! No, you are 100% right.  tblue   Sep-03-11 04:45 PM   #208 
  - ALL of these responses IGNORED congress as if it doesn't exist, FUDrs, bashers and baggers do this 2  uponit7771   Sep-03-11 06:34 AM   #68 
  - You're talking as if everyone is condeming him for not getting single payer. That's wrong.  Stinky The Clown   Sep-03-11 03:10 PM   #205 
  - Truth is, many demands on this president are wholly unreasonable...  jefferson_dem   Sep-03-11 07:42 AM   #76 
  - Critics of the President  Enthusiast   Sep-03-11 09:51 AM   #115 
  - Don't be naive  Mosaic   Sep-03-11 11:18 AM   #145 
     - Me, naive?  Enthusiast   Sep-03-11 03:01 PM   #204 
  - everything is  Claudia Jones   Sep-03-11 11:15 AM   #143 
  - It's the president and his putrid posse of political incompetents...  John Agar   Sep-03-11 01:52 PM   #189 
  - "who could have done better?" Obama could have done better.  russspeakeasy   Sep-03-11 07:47 AM   #78 
  - Easy grader!  John Agar   Sep-03-11 01:54 PM   #191 
  - "He has given us near-Universal healthcare."  CrispyQ   Sep-03-11 10:10 AM   #123 
  - If we have "near-universal health care," as you claim, how come  Bette Noir   Sep-03-11 10:28 AM   #128 
  - Do you want the list? He wont prosecute war criminals allowing them to come back and do it all  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:36 PM   #166 
  - Well said, Stinky!!  hifiguy   Sep-02-11 02:40 PM   #8 
  - K&R. After the 2008 election, I never dreamed I'd have to  alsame   Sep-02-11 03:43 PM   #11 
  - It was last December, and the renewal of the Bush Tax Cuts that did it for me  ThomWV   Sep-02-11 04:18 PM   #13 
  - You know what else he did deliberately, knowing full well  dgibby   Sep-03-11 08:47 AM   #97 
  - Willingness to entertain raising the Medicare age to 67 did it for me.  dawg   Sep-02-11 04:25 PM   #14 
  - agree. I have to wonder who is gonna GOTV for him. He's pissed off union friends, progressives,  mod mom   Sep-02-11 04:25 PM   #15 
  - I will. Environmentalists like his many other actions and a large majority of liberals support him.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 04:58 PM   #22 
  - Rich Trumpka's unions are repubican? Really?  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:06 PM   #26 
  - Who said that? You're making a strawman argument.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 05:10 PM   #29 
  - Is there some purpose to you being here in my thread?  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:13 PM   #31 
     - LOL  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 05:15 PM   #33 
     - I think we all know the answer to that.  yardwork   Sep-03-11 10:49 AM   #134 
  - I see you are trying to have a discussion with "ignored". I gave up on those guys. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:33 PM   #163 
  - "Environmentalists like his many other actions and a large majority of liberals support him."  Shining Jack   Sep-03-11 04:00 AM   #52 
  - Got a link to a single genuine environmentalist who likes Obama's actions?  yardwork   Sep-03-11 09:15 AM   #107 
  - Environmentalists like his many other actions  RetroLounge   Sep-03-11 10:17 AM   #126 
     - They're really loving being locked up in DC right now.  Fuddnik   Sep-03-11 12:12 PM   #158 
  - But the problem for the nation as a democracy is that the Highest Office  truedelphi   Sep-02-11 05:19 PM   #38 
  - Excellent post, thank you n/t  MadHound   Sep-02-11 04:26 PM   #16 
  - Cuomo accepted $$ from the Koch Bros. then lowered taxes on the rich while slashing school budgets.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 04:47 PM   #20 
  - You demonstrated how hell bent you are to post without comprehending  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:01 PM   #23 
     - Those are facts about his kid. Mario Cuomo did a lousy job of imparting Democratic values.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 05:06 PM   #25 
        - I've seen calmer cornered rats  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:14 PM   #32 
           - I've read better content in comic strips.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 05:18 PM   #37 
  - "Cuomo Vows Offensive Against Labor Unions" (NYT, 10/25/10)  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 04:51 PM   #21 
  - Wow, quotes and all. Real Internet cites. Too bad you GOT THE WRONG CUOMO  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:04 PM   #24 
     - What's pathetic is the lousy job Mario did of raising his Koch-approved kid with Democratic values.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 05:07 PM   #27 
     - Good Lord. Bitter much?  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:11 PM   #30 
     - It's a fact. Mario made pretty speeches, tho.  ClarkUSA   Sep-02-11 05:16 PM   #34 
        - "Mario made pretty speeches, tho."  Shining Jack   Sep-03-11 04:04 AM   #53 
        - Cuomo has a 76% approval rating....does Obama?  girl_interrupted   Sep-03-11 05:03 AM   #59 
     - By the way. I am done speaking to you in this thread.  Stinky The Clown   Sep-02-11 05:16 PM   #35 
     - Mario -- Now that's a fighter.  tblue   Sep-03-11 02:28 PM   #199 
  - The first doubts crept in when Guantanamo promises were changed.  sad sally   Sep-02-11 05:17 PM   #36 
  - I don't trust Obama, either; too many untruths:  blkmusclmachine   Sep-03-11 01:35 AM   #45 
  - K&R  Cali_Democrat   Sep-03-11 02:42 AM   #47 
  - I agree on all counts. Doubtful that the Republicans will fall into a split  alp227   Sep-03-11 02:48 AM   #48 
  - k*r No shit!  autorank   Sep-03-11 03:41 AM   #49 
  - K&R  Shining Jack   Sep-03-11 04:07 AM   #54 
  - Obama actually made back room deals with Big Pharma and private H/C industry ....  defendandprotect   Sep-03-11 04:24 AM   #55 
  - Per Obama, he requested that the Professional Left  davidwparker   Sep-03-11 04:24 AM   #56 
  - Constructive criticism is good  loyalsister   Sep-03-11 11:16 AM   #144 
  - I think a lot of it depends on who are Democrats and who are real Democrats.  Major Hogwash   Sep-03-11 05:12 AM   #60 
  - Regardless of which side of this family feud one might be on ...  markpkessinger   Sep-03-11 05:19 AM   #61 
  - K&R Stinky.. Progressives wanted better health care  girl_interrupted   Sep-03-11 05:22 AM   #62 
  - K&R.  hay rick   Sep-03-11 05:38 AM   #63 
  - So, you would throw a few million Americans out of work into a bad job market.  Festivito   Sep-03-11 06:30 AM   #66 
  - *****ANOTHER FALSE BS MEME****** Most of the "disapointment" in Obama has ignored crazy congress...  uponit7771   Sep-03-11 06:33 AM   #67 
  - *****YOU DON'T GET IT***** The "key words" were...  Stinky The Clown   Sep-03-11 07:33 AM   #74 
  - In mixed martial arts, he would be disqualified for  russspeakeasy   Sep-03-11 07:55 AM   #80 
  - Exactly!  treestar   Sep-03-11 08:27 AM   #90 
  - Do you work at being disingenuous? Seriously. Do you?  Stinky The Clown   Sep-03-11 08:46 AM   #96 
     - Never even tried?  treestar   Sep-03-11 09:32 AM   #112 
        - Have you?  Fuddnik   Sep-03-11 10:43 AM   #130 
  - BS on your BS  bluestateboomer   Sep-03-11 01:15 PM   #179 
  - K&R nt  muffin1   Sep-03-11 06:36 AM   #69 
  - Kicked and Recommended ! We need Bernie Sanders!!  B Calm   Sep-03-11 06:46 AM   #70 
  - Don't worry.  jefferson_dem   Sep-03-11 07:44 AM   #77 
  - A lot of people will find themselves "too busy" to vote  MoonRiver   Sep-03-11 06:49 AM   #71 
  - He did much more than not even **try**  SHRED   Sep-03-11 06:55 AM   #72 
  - I'm with you 100%.  12AngryBorneoWildmen   Sep-03-11 07:35 AM   #75 
  - Well, I pretty much agree with everything you said.  ladyVet   Sep-03-11 07:49 AM   #79 
  - My vote is important to me.  Fuddnik   Sep-03-11 10:46 AM   #131 
  - Right. Obama's job is to sucker progressives.  immoderate   Sep-03-11 11:26 AM   #147 
  - Well said ladyVet, very well said indeed.  Autumn   Sep-03-11 10:03 PM   #216 
  - I swear his biggest mistake was not prosectuing Bush.  SharksBreath   Sep-03-11 07:56 AM   #81 
  - Bingo. +1  Fearless   Sep-03-11 08:01 AM   #82 
  - K & R, absolutely agree...we got a 3rd term of GW just about.  mother earth   Sep-03-11 08:09 AM   #83 
  - Glad to be your 100th rec!  Logical   Sep-03-11 08:11 AM   #84 
  - Why do you folks keep bring up the peas?  JoePhilly   Sep-03-11 08:12 AM   #85 
  - Hahahaha . . . . that's what you got out of my post? Peas?  Stinky The Clown   Sep-03-11 09:56 AM   #117 
     - Just casting more asparagus!  Fuddnik   Sep-03-11 10:47 AM   #132 
  - K&R. Agree completely. nt  NorthCarolina   Sep-03-11 08:23 AM   #87 
  - No, it's the disappointed person's fault  treestar   Sep-03-11 08:26 AM   #89 
  - Not in a major depression?  Bette Noir   Sep-03-11 11:04 AM   #140 
  - He's turning into Joe Lieberman. What a waste.  Metta   Sep-03-11 08:33 AM   #91 
  - My thoughts too. . .eom  B Calm   Sep-03-11 09:09 AM   #101 
     - Pity. nt  Metta   Sep-03-11 12:01 PM   #154 
  - "Bipartisanbullshitship"  BiggJawn   Sep-03-11 08:39 AM   #93 
  - Well, Bayh and Vilsack were on his final list for VP.  Fuddnik   Sep-03-11 10:49 AM   #135 
     - Oh, that's right, they were.  BiggJawn   Sep-03-11 09:56 PM   #215 
  - Of course. No one "owes" him a damn thing; he isn't a king. nt  ProgressIn2008   Sep-03-11 08:56 AM   #98 
  - K&R  Jakes Progress   Sep-03-11 09:06 AM   #100 
  - What set me on the path to mistrust were his Cabinet and WH staff appointments:  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-03-11 09:12 AM   #103 
  - Yep. He made his priorities and his policies clear right from the get-go.  yardwork   Sep-03-11 09:16 AM   #108 
  - His policies and priorities were made abundantly clear **during the campaign**!!  QC   Sep-03-11 11:31 AM   #149 
     - The only reason I voted for him was because he didn't have Sarah Palin as a running mate  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-03-11 01:54 PM   #190 
        - That's basically what happened to a lot of us.  QC   Sep-03-11 02:00 PM   #194 
  - Having radical RWer Rick Warren  NewJeffCT   Sep-03-11 01:25 PM   #185 
     - That was a major FU... and it's been downhill since.  WorseBeforeBetter   Sep-03-11 02:19 PM   #197 
  - He was one man campaigning, and a different one governing.  Bette Noir   Sep-03-11 09:51 AM   #114 
  - That's About The Size Of It... K & R !!!  WillyT   Sep-03-11 10:06 AM   #120 
  - one glaringly bad policy choice after another places Obama center-right or right on so many issues;  amborin   Sep-03-11 10:08 AM   #122 
  - fwiw not too many people ACTUALLY wanted john kerry  mopinko   Sep-03-11 10:12 AM   #124 
  - WOW, sounding a lot like this quote:  pasto76   Sep-03-11 10:15 AM   #125 
  - K&R  RetroLounge   Sep-03-11 10:22 AM   #127 
  - Yeah, some even went back for extra swings  Stinky The Clown   Sep-03-11 02:28 PM   #200 
  - I'm anti-Obama and if someone wants to pay me for it...  mike_c   Sep-03-11 10:37 AM   #129 
  - If he's an undercover Republican, it all makes sense.  immoderate   Sep-03-11 11:04 AM   #139 
  - I think he is co opted by the corporatists. We need to stop thinking in terms of D vs R. That's a  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 01:00 PM   #173 
     - Yes. I pre-empt polotical discussions by posing, "Who runs the country?"  immoderate   Sep-03-11 01:13 PM   #178 
        - So who do you think really runs the country? nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 01:16 PM   #183 
  - More purist nonsense. Yawn.  RBInMaine   Sep-03-11 11:08 AM   #142 
  - Tail Wagging the Dog  Roy Rolling   Sep-03-11 11:20 AM   #146 
  - It is all in the toon!  sce56   Sep-03-11 11:28 AM   #148 
  - For me it's the WARS...and the Environment  FirstLight   Sep-03-11 11:47 AM   #151 
  - But it's the DISHONEST left that 's the most entertaining...nt  SidDithers   Sep-03-11 11:52 AM   #153 
  - And you support letting war criminals live among us. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:38 PM   #167 
     - Did you break your ankles jumping to that conclusion?...nt  SidDithers   Sep-03-11 12:46 PM   #168 
        - Easy to conclude.Supporters of politicians that support war criminals, in turn support war criminals  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:57 PM   #171 
           - Indeed. By definition.  John Agar   Sep-03-11 01:57 PM   #192 
              - It's like "Damn Yankees", Obama wanted the Presidency and was willing to trade his soul  rhett o rick   Sep-04-11 11:20 AM   #218 
                 - We are assuming he had a soul (or conscience) to start with.  John Agar   Sep-04-11 01:22 PM   #219 
                    - Agree. Although it really doesnt matter at this point. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-04-11 01:29 PM   #220 
                       - True enough. We are obviously on our own now.  John Agar   Sep-04-11 04:50 PM   #221 
  - I agree  notGaryOldman   Sep-03-11 12:04 PM   #155 
  - One of the best usernames ever...  SidDithers   Sep-03-11 01:02 PM   #174 
  - Compromise is the tool of the fascists  SavWriter   Sep-03-11 12:16 PM   #160 
  - Should be a separate OP. Right on. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-03-11 12:59 PM   #172 
  - He DID indeed campaign on the public option and then DENIED it  chill_wind   Sep-03-11 12:55 PM   #170 
  - Excellent post, chill_wind ~ there is a lot of revisionist history  sabrina 1   Sep-03-11 01:15 PM   #180 
  - yes, dropping the public option pissed me off  NewJeffCT   Sep-03-11 01:26 PM   #186 
  - Amen -- You said it well  Armstead   Sep-03-11 01:06 PM   #175 
  - Where we disagree...  gulliver   Sep-03-11 01:51 PM   #188 
  - I am honest and left. How am I going to blame something on Obama that began in the 1980's?  NNN0LHI   Sep-03-11 02:00 PM   #195 
  - he could have said he wouldn't sign a bill  DesertFlower   Sep-03-11 02:00 PM   #196 
  - He did say it.  chill_wind   Sep-03-11 02:45 PM   #203 
  - Sorry you'll have to suffer through 5 more years of President Obama.  great white snark   Sep-03-11 04:07 PM   #206 
     - If he don't win back his base you can stick a fork into him, he's done. .  B Calm   Sep-03-11 04:58 PM   #209 
     - How is the country improving? We are stagnated at nearly 10% official unemployment and  Exilednight   Sep-03-11 08:46 PM   #213 
        - The top 5% have gained more wealth in the last 30 years than all the  B Calm   Sep-04-11 05:36 AM   #217 

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