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Response to Reply #101
120. Quite few here have stood up for Women. They did so by saying, Yes, they oppose the veil in its form
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 03:57 PM by nomb
Break the chain - give this generation of women sunlight, and give the men who would like to support liberalism in women's rights the excuse, and State backing, to do so.

The laws in Europe are a tool for breaking the chain of repression of Chattel held in bondage.

It's equivalent in many ways to Affirmative Action - it seeks to leap ahead by forcing a pro-active break with the cultural millstones that hold a class of human beings back.

We could wait for white men to grant True equality of opportunity to those who are not white - just as we could wait for Islamic men to free women.

Or we can break the chains of repression. I say break the chains.

What say you?

The veil is a tool for repression, death, acid in the face, beatings are used to enforce conformity

The French and other nations are quite right in forcing it.

We in the USA on the other hand have a different and equally correct cultural heritage. The French nation is founded as much on eliminating church influence from political influence as ours is founded on absolute separation.

I would oppose the French laws here - but I strongly support them in France, and I will always oppose the Islamic actual forced submission and subjugation of women through clothing.
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  -Do Headscarves bother you? leftyladyfrommo  Aug-31-11 10:56 AM   #0 
  - only if they clash with the outfit... n/t  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-31-11 10:57 AM   #1 
  - LOL!!!  amandabeech   Aug-31-11 03:19 PM   #117 
  - Really? Even if safety is a factor? nt  DURHAM D   Aug-31-11 10:57 AM   #2 
  - What sort of safety?  pipi_k   Aug-31-11 11:07 AM   #22 
  - This thread is a follow on to prior article.  DURHAM D   Aug-31-11 11:19 AM   #29 
  - That has no meaning  pipi_k   Aug-31-11 11:44 AM   #36 
     - I have no desire to look for it either.  DURHAM D   Aug-31-11 11:56 AM   #47 
        - Ummmm....  pipi_k   Aug-31-11 11:59 AM   #50 
           - Ask the OP -  DURHAM D   Aug-31-11 12:19 PM   #69 
  - The fact you can get overheated ...  MicaelS   Aug-31-11 11:44 AM   #37 
     - Really? Because I seem to remember..  a la izquierda   Aug-31-11 11:54 AM   #43 
     - Ever hear of the wind blowing?  MicaelS   Aug-31-11 12:04 PM   #54 
     - Exactly, and OTOH...  pipi_k   Aug-31-11 12:11 PM   #64 
        - I had heat exhaustion this summer.  a la izquierda   Aug-31-11 02:48 PM   #112 
     - Didn't know if you knew this, but...  pipi_k   Aug-31-11 12:08 PM   #58 
  - Properly tied, a scarf can be for controlling such, additionally  Lionessa   Aug-31-11 12:38 PM   #81 
  - Safety is a factor for my underwear on Taco Tuesdays.  Lucian   Aug-31-11 04:34 PM   #140 
  - Yeah, those Nuns creep me out...  FSogol   Aug-31-11 10:57 AM   #3 
  - Headscarves don't bother you?...Then nuns shouldn't either...It's been decades since they've  whathehell   Aug-31-11 11:09 AM   #23 
     - I was joking. Many condemn headscarfs worn by Muslims, but don't mind them worn by nuns.  FSogol   Aug-31-11 12:08 PM   #57 
        - Gotcha...But there actually is a difference, in that nuns are part of a  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:06 PM   #86 
  - Not if its self choosen. n/t  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 10:58 AM   #4 
  - I really don't know anybody threatened by them.  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 11:02 AM   #14 
  - Yep, that's the clincher!  hamsterjill   Aug-31-11 11:07 AM   #21 
  - exactly.  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 01:34 PM   #94 
  - +1000  fishbulb703   Aug-31-11 03:10 PM   #115 
     - Thanks!!! :) n/t  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 03:11 PM   #116 
     - I think it should be a total choice.  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 05:28 PM   #162 
  - Berets are the true villains!  ret5hd   Aug-31-11 10:59 AM   #5 
  - C'est vrai, mon ami!  immoderate   Aug-31-11 12:46 PM   #83 
  - Why don't men wear them? Koran demands "modesty" from BOTH sexes  Romulox   Aug-31-11 10:59 AM   #6 
  - And you know those outfits have to be sweltering in summer  leftyladyfrommo   Aug-31-11 11:02 AM   #12 
  - What a crying shame to travel 4000 miles and bring THAT part of home with them...  Romulox   Aug-31-11 11:05 AM   #19 
  - I've seen Catholic nuns covered from head to toe to prove their devotion to God  NNN0LHI   Aug-31-11 11:30 AM   #31 
     - Fail.  Bunny   Aug-31-11 11:45 AM   #39 
     - What happens if a nun is caught breaking her vow of celibacy?  NNN0LHI   Aug-31-11 11:50 AM   #42 
        - I have no idea. How is that relevant to the discussion?  Bunny   Aug-31-11 11:55 AM   #45 
        - What happens?....No big whoop, if that's what you're expecting  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:41 PM   #95 
        - Maybe so, but at least she would be beaten or killed. n/t  Fla Dem   Aug-31-11 04:13 PM   #134 
           - You're not responding to me, are you?  whathehell   Aug-31-11 05:18 PM   #159 
              - No, responding to NNN0LHI and "would" s/h/b " wouldn't.". (n/t)  Fla Dem   Aug-31-11 09:34 PM   #181 
                 - Ok. n/t  whathehell   Sep-01-11 01:12 AM   #184 
     - Find me a nun  leftynyc   Aug-31-11 12:07 PM   #56 
     - If you want to compare goofy religous clothing traditions between Christianity and Islam  snooper2   Aug-31-11 12:09 PM   #63 
     - That link is one hundred percent bullshit...and the "Catholics" you're showing look like Mormons  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:46 PM   #100 
        - It's not my fault you don't like pastels  snooper2   Aug-31-11 02:27 PM   #107 
           - I don't like lies, either.  whathehell   Aug-31-11 02:39 PM   #110 
              - what's a lie? Some Christians don't dress very modestly?  snooper2   Aug-31-11 03:00 PM   #113 
                 - Awwww...."Some christians don't dress very "modestly"?...Neither do some Jews or Buddhists...Duh.  whathehell   Aug-31-11 04:04 PM   #127 
                    - you aren't following the conversation very well, I said yes, Muslims follow their bible  snooper2   Aug-31-11 04:31 PM   #137 
                       - Is that what this is?...a "conversation"?  whathehell   Aug-31-11 04:38 PM   #142 
                          - moved  snooper2   Aug-31-11 04:42 PM   #144 
                             - You're not much for subtlety, are you, LOL?...Sorry if that phrase isn't in your bible,  whathehell   Aug-31-11 05:00 PM   #152 
     - In some cultures, head covering are required of ALL lay-women, from the time they hit puberty.  Romulox   Aug-31-11 12:28 PM   #72 
     - I have used that argument  polmaven   Aug-31-11 12:48 PM   #84 
     - Um, No. Very few nuns do the "head to toe" deal anymore, and even when they did  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:30 PM   #93 
        - My mother wouldn't enter a Catholic church without a veil covering over her face in the early 1960's  NNN0LHI   Aug-31-11 01:43 PM   #97 
           - Well, then I guess  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:50 PM   #103 
           - When I said none of the women did above I meant ...  NNN0LHI   Aug-31-11 01:54 PM   #104 
              - I've never seen or heard of it....I don't know who this group was,  whathehell   Aug-31-11 02:01 PM   #106 
           - Very voluntary...The "veil" is actually a hat with a veil...They are in an out of style. n/t  whathehell   Sep-01-11 07:41 AM   #194 
  - Actually, they aren't that sweltering -  haele   Aug-31-11 11:43 AM   #34 
     - I read something years ago about the reason Bedouin  Cleita   Aug-31-11 12:08 PM   #61 
  - Yes, that's what my spouse says...When in London last spring, I saw women in full black chador  whathehell   Aug-31-11 11:07 AM   #20 
  - I've also seen women in belly shirts  formernaderite   Aug-31-11 01:18 PM   #89 
  - Yeah, that's my problem with the religon.  Lucian   Aug-31-11 04:35 PM   #141 
  - I'm not threatened by them, however..  tridim   Aug-31-11 11:00 AM   #7 
  - Tack squad helmets bother me. Headscarves, not so much.  OffWithTheirHeads   Aug-31-11 11:00 AM   #8 
  - If you mean headscarves on Muslim women, no. Not crazy about  LibDemAlways   Aug-31-11 11:01 AM   #9 
  - not at all. BUt berkas really really scare me. When the face is totally covered.  robinlynne   Aug-31-11 11:01 AM   #10 
  - Yes,  whathehell   Aug-31-11 11:11 AM   #26 
     - +1  get the red out   Aug-31-11 11:57 AM   #49 
        - No, I don't associate it  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:10 PM   #87 
  - Like a cancer patients headscarf or a muslim headscarf?  Rockholm   Aug-31-11 11:02 AM   #11 
  - headscarves don't -- but the negative reactions to them DO bother me  Donnachaidh   Aug-31-11 11:02 AM   #13 
  - When my son was in 2nd grade  soleiri   Aug-31-11 12:01 PM   #51 
  - I don't like them, but I'd never say anything to anyone who chose to wear them, and I don't think  whathehell   Aug-31-11 01:58 PM   #105 
     - christians are persecuted -- one word response to that  Donnachaidh   Aug-31-11 04:17 PM   #135 
     - Oh..I see...So cutting off the heads of Christian girls should be "payback" for a medieval war?  whathehell   Aug-31-11 04:29 PM   #136 
        - Whatever Ignored said  whathehell   Sep-01-11 01:26 AM   #186 
           - Especially since Damascus *started* the damn war.  ieoeja   Sep-01-11 12:58 PM   #216 
              - Agreed.  whathehell   Sep-01-11 01:11 PM   #217 
     - Well, some people are victimized in every society, like here, eg  sabrina 1   Aug-31-11 05:34 PM   #167 
        - Stop making sense!!  HappyMe   Sep-01-11 08:39 AM   #198 
  - If I'm going to be honest I'm sayin' yes  K8-EEE   Aug-31-11 11:02 AM   #15 
  - Only if they are on a pirate.  Arctic Dave   Aug-31-11 11:02 AM   #16 
  - To be honest,  whathehell   Aug-31-11 11:03 AM   #17 
  - It has nothing to do with the scarf.  SmileyRose   Aug-31-11 11:05 AM   #18 
  - I have no problem with them  guitar man   Aug-31-11 11:09 AM   #24 
  - When I was a little kid,  Blue_In_AK   Aug-31-11 11:11 AM   #25 
  - No not at all.  Ganja Ninja   Aug-31-11 11:12 AM   #27 
  - Actually, I think they're sexy.  Ian David   Aug-31-11 11:14 AM   #28 
  - Sure you do.  whathehell   Aug-31-11 06:35 PM   #171 
     - I do! If you could check my Twitter feed for while I was on vacation in Niagra Falls, you'd know it.  Ian David   Sep-01-11 06:31 AM   #190 
     - I do too.  pipi_k   Sep-01-11 09:21 AM   #199 
  - Does it matter if it bothers people? No, really, does it?  tblue   Aug-31-11 11:21 AM   #30 
  - nahhh....  pipi_k   Aug-31-11 11:41 AM   #32 
  - Yes they bother me but I am not threatened by them.  pennylane100   Aug-31-11 11:42 AM   #33 
  - I think they're kind-of elegant, actually.  InvisibleTouch   Aug-31-11 11:43 AM   #35 
  - No. With religion, it's live and let live  treestar   Aug-31-11 11:45 AM   #38 
  - dont care an iota. the only thing.... because unusual, i will glance and i want to say  seabeyond   Aug-31-11 11:46 AM   #40 
  - I'm bothered by anything that is intended to keep someone subservient  scheming daemons   Aug-31-11 11:50 AM   #41 
  - Just my thoughts  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-31-11 12:34 PM   #79 
  - No. No more than an Hassidic (Jewish) woman wearing one does.  no_hypocrisy   Aug-31-11 11:54 AM   #44 
  - headscarves? Like on these Christian Hutterites?  provis99   Aug-31-11 11:56 AM   #46 
  - I think they are pretty stupid and misogynistic  snooper2   Aug-31-11 11:57 AM   #48 
  - Almost as misogynistic and stupid as 10 year old girl wearing hiphuggers that read  LanternWaste   Aug-31-11 12:08 PM   #62 
     - nope, that's misogynistic to a point as well, but it's apples and oranges  snooper2   Aug-31-11 12:24 PM   #70 
  - It's not up to me. It's up to the man to decide and enforce, or his family and neighbors.  nomb   Aug-31-11 12:02 PM   #52 
  - They didn't bother Isadora Duncan one bit.  saras   Aug-31-11 12:04 PM   #53 
  - Except for the one that strangled her?  whathehell   Aug-31-11 04:08 PM   #129 
  - No it doesn't, and I agree with you. If that's what a woman  Cleita   Aug-31-11 12:06 PM   #55 
  - Women have no say in the matter. But feel free to trot one out that claims she speaks for Islam.  nomb   Aug-31-11 12:08 PM   #59 
     - In maybe the country of their origin. But you  Cleita   Aug-31-11 12:14 PM   #66 
        - Stories like the one you refer to are near-common lede's to family honor killing stories in Europe.  nomb   Aug-31-11 12:17 PM   #67 
           - Sometimes they do but mostly they don't so don't  Cleita   Aug-31-11 01:26 PM   #91 
              - Yes, I was only referring to deaths. Not the beatings, disfigurations, or those who ran away and hid  nomb   Aug-31-11 03:40 PM   #118 
                 - Those are still not the norm. Most families love their  Cleita   Aug-31-11 04:56 PM   #150 
                    - The UK has 17,000 "honour" related violent incidents a year according to the Police Stats.  nomb   Aug-31-11 05:02 PM   #154 
                       - That is out of 2, 869,000 muslims in England according to Pew. That's  Cleita   Aug-31-11 05:32 PM   #165 
  - Head scarves? They only bother me when  gkhouston   Aug-31-11 12:08 PM   #60 
  - Not as long as they don't cover the entire face  NeedleCast   Aug-31-11 12:11 PM   #65 
  - No, they don't bother me. I've known many muslims in my life,  closeupready   Aug-31-11 12:18 PM   #68 
  - You think a "large portion of DU" is islamophobic because some don't like the headscarf?  whathehell   Aug-31-11 06:47 PM   #175 
  - Don't lie about what I said.  closeupready   Sep-01-11 09:25 AM   #201 
     - "Don't 'lie' about what I said"?....Who's lying?...The thread bears the record of your remarks, Lol.  whathehell   Sep-01-11 12:39 PM   #213 
     - In Post #68 you said "But then I'm not Islamophobic, unlike a large portion of DU"..  whathehell   Sep-01-11 12:45 PM   #215 
  - WTF?!  Zax2me   Sep-01-11 08:09 AM   #195 
     - More real than you are, if you check my profile, newbie.  closeupready   Sep-01-11 09:24 AM   #200 
        - Newbies often make a lot of sense, as in this case, LOL!  whathehell   Sep-01-11 12:31 PM   #211 
  - My Mom Use to Wear One  Baby Bear   Aug-31-11 12:26 PM   #71 
  - If you look at movies from the 50s  Frances   Aug-31-11 12:30 PM   #74 
  - The issue is a distraction  swilton   Aug-31-11 12:29 PM   #73 
  - I feel bad for the ladies dressed head to toe in black on 95 degree days  AngryAmish   Aug-31-11 12:31 PM   #75 
  - Only when I tie 'em too tight  NMDemDist2   Aug-31-11 12:33 PM   #76 
  - Abso-f'ing'-lutely! I hate those things and I think....  Lionessa   Aug-31-11 12:33 PM   #77 
  - Only because in my eyes they demean women.  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-31-11 12:33 PM   #78 
  - All women should be barefoot and pregnant too.  ItNerd4life   Aug-31-11 12:37 PM   #80 
  - Such obviously silly thing to say, it feels kind of unfair to refute it.  closeupready   Aug-31-11 04:03 PM   #126 
  - Well, I never wear them myself, but they can be lovely if carefully  MineralMan   Aug-31-11 12:46 PM   #82 
  - Of course not. I wear a headscarf (actually my lovely Kashmiri pashmina)  kestrel91316   Aug-31-11 01:05 PM   #85 
  - Only if the person wearing the head scarf is riding on a motorcycle  WCGreen   Aug-31-11 01:17 PM   #88 
  - ROFLMAO!  CaliforniaPeggy   Aug-31-11 01:49 PM   #102 
  - I've never worn one..  Fumesucker   Aug-31-11 01:19 PM   #90 
  - I like how the Hijab frames the face. Christian women use  alfredo   Aug-31-11 01:26 PM   #92 
  - Please "Face framing" is not the reason Muslim women are wearing a hijab.  whathehell   Aug-31-11 02:36 PM   #109 
     - If you had read the last line, I said it should be her choice.  alfredo   Aug-31-11 03:46 PM   #119 
        - But it's not. And by the way, your photo of a Turkish women omits the fact that her scarf is illegal  nomb   Aug-31-11 03:51 PM   #121 
        - Yeah, but, by the same token, you neglected to mention that Mars is the fourth planet from the sun.  closeupready   Aug-31-11 04:05 PM   #128 
        - The fact her scarf is illegal in the Muslim nation of Turkey is quite relevant.  nomb   Aug-31-11 04:08 PM   #130 
           - Nope.  closeupready   Aug-31-11 04:09 PM   #131 
           - Yes, actually. Turkey has banned the scarf for generations. See here:  nomb   Aug-31-11 04:12 PM   #133 
              - Mars is still the 4th planet from the sun, which is equally relevant.  closeupready   Aug-31-11 06:02 PM   #170 
                 - Poor analogy. It's very relevant. n/t  whathehell   Sep-01-11 01:32 AM   #188 
                    - No, it's really not. The topic, as a reminder, is does it bother you. Subsequently, the threadstar  closeupready   Sep-01-11 08:38 AM   #197 
                       - Yes, it really is and there's no need to remind us of of the thread starter as  whathehell   Sep-01-11 09:29 AM   #202 
                          - Goodbye.  closeupready   Sep-01-11 10:03 AM   #203 
                             - Goodbye!  whathehell   Sep-01-11 12:29 PM   #210 
           - illegal? didn't know that...  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 05:34 PM   #166 
        - They have taken away her choice.  alfredo   Aug-31-11 04:11 PM   #132 
        - I never said they should NOT have the choice...  whathehell   Aug-31-11 04:01 PM   #125 
           - Nuns had the freedom to choose a life where they have  alfredo   Aug-31-11 04:33 PM   #138 
              - What part of "I never said they shouldn't have a choice" do you not understand?  whathehell   Aug-31-11 04:45 PM   #145 
                 - They don't have a choice.  nomb   Aug-31-11 04:48 PM   #147 
                 - I know that  whathehell   Aug-31-11 05:01 PM   #153 
                 - Well, my point is that they can be beautiful, and if a woman  alfredo   Aug-31-11 05:03 PM   #155 
                    - "just like a cowboy hat". Wow. The oppressed women of the world thank you.  nomb   Aug-31-11 05:06 PM   #156 
                    - Every culture has a native costume. Lederhosen, the Fez,  alfredo   Aug-31-11 06:46 PM   #174 
                       - When is the last time you saw a German immigrant wearing lederhosen?  whathehell   Sep-01-11 01:37 AM   #189 
                    - You're entitled to your opinion...We certainly agree  whathehell   Aug-31-11 05:13 PM   #158 
                       - The Hijab and rollerblades was wild enough for me.  alfredo   Aug-31-11 06:47 PM   #176 
                          - That sounds like fun!  whathehell   Aug-31-11 06:48 PM   #177 
                             - there was a look of bliss on her face.  alfredo   Aug-31-11 09:38 PM   #182 
                                - That's good!  whathehell   Sep-01-11 01:10 AM   #183 
                                   - It was a revelation.  alfredo   Sep-01-11 07:26 AM   #193 
  - Not in the least  War Horse   Aug-31-11 01:43 PM   #96 
  - They make my head sweat, just like all other head gear  slackmaster   Aug-31-11 01:44 PM   #98 
  - Just the chaffing.nt  Javaman   Aug-31-11 01:44 PM   #99 
  - Honestly, has anyone said yes???  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 01:49 PM   #101 
  - Quite few here have stood up for Women. They did so by saying, Yes, they oppose the veil in its form  nomb   Aug-31-11 03:49 PM   #120 
     - Being a westerner...  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 05:31 PM   #164 
  - I have an irrational fear of all "head accessories" ... hats, scarves, earrings, nose rings ...  JoePhilly   Aug-31-11 02:35 PM   #108 
  - No  Marrah_G   Aug-31-11 02:43 PM   #111 
  - Not at all.  AmandaMae   Aug-31-11 03:03 PM   #114 
  - Bottom line is that you don't get to tell adherents of another faith how to observe it any more  Skidmore   Aug-31-11 03:53 PM   #122 
  - No. But, helmets on military guys do.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-31-11 03:54 PM   #123 
  - They can be itchy if you are not used to wearing things on your head,  ZombieHorde   Aug-31-11 03:59 PM   #124 
  - They don't bother me either.  Lucian   Aug-31-11 04:33 PM   #139 
  - I'd look silly in one  dipsydoodle   Aug-31-11 04:40 PM   #143 
  - Only when their wearers get flung to their deaths from the Tilt-a-Whirl.  KamaAina   Aug-31-11 04:48 PM   #146 
  - No, they don't. Not frightened, don't care. nt  BlueIris   Aug-31-11 04:50 PM   #148 
  - If worn freely out of personal conscience it's totally cool  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-31-11 04:54 PM   #149 
  - No. However, when taken a drivers license I don't think you should cover your face.  southernyankeebelle   Aug-31-11 04:58 PM   #151 
  - This got a lot of posts, I figured a simple no would be enough :) n/t  Jmaxfie1   Aug-31-11 05:09 PM   #157 
  - Heck, no! I love a new doo-rag -  lynne   Aug-31-11 05:19 PM   #160 
  - I don't like them in hot weather...  deadinsider   Aug-31-11 05:26 PM   #161 
  - in my neighborhood I'm used to it  stuntcat   Aug-31-11 05:30 PM   #163 
  - leftyladyfrommo  Diclotican   Aug-31-11 05:35 PM   #168 
  - No. I wear them all the time! nt  ecstatic   Aug-31-11 05:55 PM   #169 
  - Hijab .... ? No  etherealtruth   Aug-31-11 06:43 PM   #172 
  - Don't bother me here in the US but i would not like having  Zoigal   Aug-31-11 08:05 PM   #178 
  - Not as much as crocs.  Warren DeMontague   Aug-31-11 06:45 PM   #173 
  - No. They're none of my business.  JVS   Aug-31-11 08:05 PM   #179 
  - I JUST LOVE THIS ONE...  AsahinaKimi   Aug-31-11 08:10 PM   #180 
  - I am not in the least threatened by them, but they bother me  DFW   Sep-01-11 01:20 AM   #185 
  - Wow!! That's incredible. Your wife is doing really tremendous and important work.  riderinthestorm   Sep-01-11 10:51 AM   #205 
     - She says it's a mixed bag  DFW   Sep-01-11 05:23 PM   #218 
  - they start to bother me if the person begins to try to convert me to their religion  StarsInHerHair   Sep-01-11 01:30 AM   #187 
  - No, but silly hats really bother me...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-01-11 06:34 AM   #191 
  - Yes, they bother me. They keep standing right next to me and saying "I'm not touching you!"  EstimatedProphet   Sep-01-11 06:53 AM   #192 
  - No.  LWolf   Sep-01-11 08:33 AM   #196 
  - Only if she's behind the wheel, and then it depends on style  JustABozoOnThisBus   Sep-01-11 10:41 AM   #204 
  - No  bigwillq   Sep-01-11 10:53 AM   #206 
  - No.  riderinthestorm   Sep-01-11 10:59 AM   #207 
  - per safety--do remember isadora dunkin  dembotoz   Sep-01-11 11:24 AM   #208 
  - Only sometimes.  Iggo   Sep-01-11 11:40 AM   #209 
  - Why would scarves bother people?  Dorian Gray   Sep-01-11 12:39 PM   #212 
  - When women remove their headscarves, their hair drives me insane with lust.  Bucky   Sep-01-11 12:40 PM   #214 
  - Yes.  whathehell   Sep-01-11 06:42 PM   #219 
  - No, the religious superstition and oppression behind the scarf kind of bother me and threaten logic  Fuzz   Sep-01-11 07:18 PM   #220 

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