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Tue Aug-30-11 04:18 AM
Response to Reply #27 |
| 31. you keep asserting that while studiously refusing to explain the details. |
| -After reading a lot of Al Gore's missives today |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-30-11 01:15 AM |
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The inconsistancies of the messenger |
The Traveler |
Aug-30-11 01:19 AM |
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What about when the messenger makes MILLIONS off his message? |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-30-11 01:21 AM |
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That does not invalidate the message |
The Traveler |
Aug-30-11 02:08 AM |
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I often say that Al Gore is an extreme optimist, but I think what |
Blue Meany |
Aug-30-11 07:54 AM |
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"Al Gore is completely full of shit" - god, you should talk |
Bluebear |
Aug-30-11 02:49 AM |
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Al Gore was already massively rich, he merely jumped on the offset bandwagon... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:00 AM |
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no, he wasn't "massively rich". when he left office he had a net worth between |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:10 AM |
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I consider Al Gores wealth massive before he created GIM. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:19 AM |
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well, if you consider a $1 mill net worth "massive" i think you don't get out much. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:24 AM |
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I don't know any "local businessmen" with that kind of dough. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:28 AM |
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do you know what net worth means? |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:26 AM |
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And how do you know he does not reuse, or recycle? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-30-11 01:29 AM |
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I'm sure he recycles TONS AND TONS of trash every week. |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-30-11 01:30 AM |
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I see... you assume |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-30-11 01:36 AM |
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he has three houses & the energy bill at just ONE is multiples higher than an average family's. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 02:55 AM |
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Irrelevant. Al Gore offsets every drop of carbon his lifestyle produces. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 03:58 AM |
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and what does it mean to "offset," why don't you explain it. does it mean al gore is magically using |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:03 AM |
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Energy is not a cause of climate change, pollutants are. Al Gore has zero pollutants... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:10 AM |
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he has zero pollutants? how do you figure? |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:11 AM |
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You seem to think that all energy pollutes, which is ignorant and simplisitic. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:15 AM |
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you keep asserting that while studiously refusing to explain the details. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:18 AM |
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1 kilowatt hour of dirty electricity produces about a pound of CO2. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:22 AM |
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how does investing in a tree planting business reduce al gore's massive energy use and |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:26 AM |
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How does Al Gore's energy use have any relevance here? |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:28 AM |
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it doesn't? gee, the thread is about gore & you're talking about his energy use |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:33 AM |
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His energy use exists, but it exists without contributing pollutants to the planet. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:36 AM |
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yes, i notice how well you explained how his offsets magically make his pollution disappear. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:38 AM |
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The Clean Development Mechanism is scientifically validated. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:41 AM |
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if it's scientifically validated, you should be able to explain how it works & link me to that |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:47 AM |
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It negates the pollutants in the energy used to heat it. Still conflating energy use and pollution. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:50 AM |
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please explain how it "negates" that pollution. the pollution was produced in the production & |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:58 AM |
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It was removed from the atmopshere by a CDM process. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 05:04 AM |
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The paper (the summary) says: 72% of the (planned) projects in the CER |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 05:44 AM |
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All energy use does not produce climate change pollution. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:20 AM |
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"You appear to want to pollute to your hearts content". i think you have confused me with al gore. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:31 AM |
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Al Gore offsets all his pollution, you don't. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:34 AM |
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Sounds like you got your nose way up his butt |
SpiralHawk |
Aug-30-11 04:16 AM |
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+1, it's a right wing talking point and any search for this winds up on Freeperville... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:23 AM |
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i am the furthest thing you could imagine from a fox-bot. and i think accusing me of being that |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 05:02 AM |
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No, I believe you're the one having trouble, conflating energy use with pollution. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 05:05 AM |
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i have nowhere conflated the two. that's your straw man. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 05:45 AM |
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Hey, we're in agreement, but you are taking Al Gore's behavior and expanding it planet-wide. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:22 AM |
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We're all allowed to create massive amounts of waste, capitalism thrives on it. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 03:58 AM |
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no, the difference is that al gore uses way more energy than any working class stiff |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:05 AM |
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You don't create massive amounts of waste? Well, good for you. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:12 AM |
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i really am not interested in your light bill. most americans don't create |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:15 AM |
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Al Gore's wealth is relevant on a class perspective, but not on a pollution perspective. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:16 AM |
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now you move on to the personal attack, since you can't explain your claim |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:19 AM |
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I'm sorry if the words "wholly inadequate critique" offends your sensiblities. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:29 AM |
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i'm sorry that you can't defend your bullshit position except by contentless attack verbiage. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:33 AM |
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I'm not the one conflating energy use with pollution output. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:39 AM |
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neither am i. so you must be the one spewing bullshit. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 05:54 AM |
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Posts #23, #39, #44, #49, #52, and #55 to name a few. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:28 AM |
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your contention is that investment in pollution reduction equipment somewhere on the planet |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:34 AM |
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It doesn't matter where or who or why the CO2 is emitted, just that it is sequestered. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:39 AM |
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i comprehend the "idea". i simply think it's a con. al gore is not carbon neutral |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:41 AM |
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Haha, neither GE or the US Military claim to be carbon neutral. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:47 AM |
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i didn't say they claimed it. i said if they did it, they would still be the biggest polluters on |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:55 AM |
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Nope, if they did that the CO2 that they put into the atmosphere would be removed. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:59 AM |
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So why not write an op saying you disagree with carbon off-sets |
me b zola |
Aug-30-11 01:49 AM |
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Offsets are crap because they're not mandated. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 03:56 AM |
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The poster seems more interested in smears against Gore than discussing policy |
me b zola |
Aug-30-11 04:19 AM |
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Just sayin', I can critique offsets while also defending Al Gore for being 100% carbon neutral. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:47 AM |
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An unusual target |
MilesColtrane |
Aug-30-11 02:45 AM |
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Wildly odd OP to see at a Democratic site. Pathetic. Al Gore has never been any Democrat's enemy. nt |
Judi Lynn |
Aug-30-11 03:00 AM |
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But not surprising which 2 are assailing Gore here |
Bluebear |
Aug-30-11 04:25 AM |
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Noticed that. n/t |
myrna minx |
Aug-30-11 07:23 AM |
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Issue appears resolved... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 07:31 AM |
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knr |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 02:47 AM |
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Until you're offsetting all of your waste you have no credible critique of Al Gore. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 03:54 AM |
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explain offsets, does it mean that al gore magically uses less energy or creates |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:09 AM |
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Yes, he creates less waste than someone who is not offsetting. He can use 1000000x more energy... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:14 AM |
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you keep using this word "offset" without defining it or giving examples. you |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:17 AM |
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Al Gore is not a Luddite, he does not believe that all should reduce energy consmuption actively. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:27 AM |
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no, he believes he should use as much as he likes and then zap it with his offset raygun. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 04:36 AM |
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You can offset right now and it's very affordable, around $20 a month per person. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 04:38 AM |
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if it's $20 a month per person for anyone, then offsets are bullshit. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 05:57 AM |
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You're the reason CO2 continues to rise. If everyone offset there wouldn't be a problem. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:34 AM |
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he actually DOES pollute. on the level of a small city-state. |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:47 AM |
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Removing the same amount of CO2 that he produces from the atmopshere negates that fact. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:48 AM |
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no, it doesn't. sorry that's so hard for you to understand. investing in |
indurancevile |
Aug-30-11 06:52 AM |
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If that wind plant fits a CDM standard (which I'm not sure if it qualifies), yes, it would. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:56 AM |
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....."on the level of a small city state"......... |
madrchsod |
Aug-30-11 07:00 AM |
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Probably Oak Hill, AL? |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 07:03 AM |
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The message is correct even if Al isn't |
FLPanhandle |
Aug-30-11 05:57 AM |
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Offsets do take carbon out of the air, Krugman talks about it: |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:37 AM |
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I didn't say a cap and trade system wouldn't. |
FLPanhandle |
Aug-30-11 07:06 AM |
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Oh and I'm in complete agreement, Hansen is right, but yeah. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 07:12 AM |
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I don't get into bashing Al Gore. |
FLPanhandle |
Aug-30-11 07:35 AM |
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This is a fucked up OP |
lunatica |
Aug-30-11 06:25 AM |
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Look at this way: if Al Gore wanted to make a name for himself politically, being an environmentalis |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-30-11 06:37 AM |
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Tsk, Al Gore made money making a company to petition rich people and corporations... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 06:40 AM |
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Tsk! In *your* eyes, it makes him a bad person, not in mine. Sorry to disappoint you! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-30-11 07:02 AM |
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Apparently you haven't seen my dozens of posts in this thread defending him. |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 07:04 AM |
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Why buy into a lot of RW smears on Gore? The building you are comparing |
FSogol |
Aug-30-11 07:17 AM |
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Even if it was a house... |
joshcryer |
Aug-30-11 07:26 AM |
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LOL |
FLPanhandle |
Aug-30-11 08:20 AM |
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Why are these fucking trolls allowed to exist here at DU??? |
Gman |
Aug-30-11 07:22 AM |
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Because this place is half of what it use to be.... |
trumad |
Aug-30-11 07:37 AM |
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Yeh, who let all these flies in here? |
peace frog |
Aug-30-11 07:54 AM |
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Good question. Is FR still dead? |
Greybnk48 |
Aug-30-11 08:03 AM |
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Ah, yes. Al Gore the environmental hypocrite. |
Skinner |
Aug-30-11 08:34 AM |
#102 |
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