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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:10 AM
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22. no, he wasn't "massively rich". when he left office he had a net worth between
$1-$2 million. i know local businessmen who have such a net worth, & it's a nice house with some acreage & a small business.
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  -After reading a lot of Al Gore's missives today Dreamer Tatum  Aug-30-11 01:15 AM   #0 
  - The inconsistancies of the messenger  The Traveler   Aug-30-11 01:19 AM   #1 
  - What about when the messenger makes MILLIONS off his message?  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-30-11 01:21 AM   #2 
     - That does not invalidate the message  The Traveler   Aug-30-11 02:08 AM   #7 
     - I often say that Al Gore is an extreme optimist, but I think what  Blue Meany   Aug-30-11 07:54 AM   #99 
     - "Al Gore is completely full of shit" - god, you should talk  Bluebear   Aug-30-11 02:49 AM   #10 
     - Al Gore was already massively rich, he merely jumped on the offset bandwagon...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:00 AM   #17 
        - no, he wasn't "massively rich". when he left office he had a net worth between  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:10 AM   #22 
           - I consider Al Gores wealth massive before he created GIM.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:19 AM   #32 
              - well, if you consider a $1 mill net worth "massive" i think you don't get out much.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:24 AM   #37 
                 - I don't know any "local businessmen" with that kind of dough.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:28 AM   #42 
                    - do you know what net worth means?  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:26 AM   #67 
  - And how do you know he does not reuse, or recycle?  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-30-11 01:29 AM   #3 
  - I'm sure he recycles TONS AND TONS of trash every week.  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-30-11 01:30 AM   #4 
     - I see... you assume  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-30-11 01:36 AM   #5 
     - he has three houses & the energy bill at just ONE is multiples higher than an average family's.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 02:55 AM   #11 
        - Irrelevant. Al Gore offsets every drop of carbon his lifestyle produces.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 03:58 AM   #16 
        - and what does it mean to "offset," why don't you explain it. does it mean al gore is magically using  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:03 AM   #18 
           - Energy is not a cause of climate change, pollutants are. Al Gore has zero pollutants...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:10 AM   #21 
              - he has zero pollutants? how do you figure?  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:11 AM   #23 
                 - You seem to think that all energy pollutes, which is ignorant and simplisitic.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:15 AM   #27 
                    - you keep asserting that while studiously refusing to explain the details.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:18 AM   #31 
                       - 1 kilowatt hour of dirty electricity produces about a pound of CO2.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:22 AM   #35 
                          - how does investing in a tree planting business reduce al gore's massive energy use and  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:26 AM   #39 
                             - How does Al Gore's energy use have any relevance here?  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:28 AM   #41 
                                - it doesn't? gee, the thread is about gore & you're talking about his energy use  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:33 AM   #44 
                                   - His energy use exists, but it exists without contributing pollutants to the planet.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:36 AM   #47 
                                      - yes, i notice how well you explained how his offsets magically make his pollution disappear.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:38 AM   #49 
                                         - The Clean Development Mechanism is scientifically validated.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:41 AM   #51 
                                            - if it's scientifically validated, you should be able to explain how it works & link me to that  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:47 AM   #52 
                                               - It negates the pollutants in the energy used to heat it. Still conflating energy use and pollution.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:50 AM   #54 
                                               - please explain how it "negates" that pollution. the pollution was produced in the production &  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:58 AM   #55 
                                               - It was removed from the atmopshere by a CDM process.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 05:04 AM   #57 
                                               - The paper (the summary) says: 72% of the (planned) projects in the CER  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 05:44 AM   #59 
                                               - All energy use does not produce climate change pollution.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:20 AM   #64 
                                               - "You appear to want to pollute to your hearts content". i think you have confused me with al gore.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:31 AM   #69 
                                               - Al Gore offsets all his pollution, you don't.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:34 AM   #71 
        - Sounds like you got your nose way up his butt  SpiralHawk   Aug-30-11 04:16 AM   #29 
           - +1, it's a right wing talking point and any search for this winds up on Freeperville...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:23 AM   #36 
           - i am the furthest thing you could imagine from a fox-bot. and i think accusing me of being that  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 05:02 AM   #56 
              - No, I believe you're the one having trouble, conflating energy use with pollution.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 05:05 AM   #58 
                 - i have nowhere conflated the two. that's your straw man.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 05:45 AM   #60 
                    - Hey, we're in agreement, but you are taking Al Gore's behavior and expanding it planet-wide.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:22 AM   #65 
     - We're all allowed to create massive amounts of waste, capitalism thrives on it.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 03:58 AM   #15 
        - no, the difference is that al gore uses way more energy than any working class stiff  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:05 AM   #19 
           - You don't create massive amounts of waste? Well, good for you.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:12 AM   #24 
              - i really am not interested in your light bill. most americans don't create  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:15 AM   #26 
                 - Al Gore's wealth is relevant on a class perspective, but not on a pollution perspective.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:16 AM   #28 
                    - now you move on to the personal attack, since you can't explain your claim  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:19 AM   #33 
                       - I'm sorry if the words "wholly inadequate critique" offends your sensiblities.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:29 AM   #43 
                          - i'm sorry that you can't defend your bullshit position except by contentless attack verbiage.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:33 AM   #45 
                             - I'm not the one conflating energy use with pollution output.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:39 AM   #50 
                                - neither am i. so you must be the one spewing bullshit.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 05:54 AM   #61 
                                   - Posts #23, #39, #44, #49, #52, and #55 to name a few.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:28 AM   #68 
                                      - your contention is that investment in pollution reduction equipment somewhere on the planet  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:34 AM   #72 
                                         - It doesn't matter where or who or why the CO2 is emitted, just that it is sequestered.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:39 AM   #75 
                                            - i comprehend the "idea". i simply think it's a con. al gore is not carbon neutral  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:41 AM   #77 
                                               - Haha, neither GE or the US Military claim to be carbon neutral.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:47 AM   #79 
                                                  - i didn't say they claimed it. i said if they did it, they would still be the biggest polluters on  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:55 AM   #82 
                                                     - Nope, if they did that the CO2 that they put into the atmosphere would be removed.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:59 AM   #84 
  - So why not write an op saying you disagree with carbon off-sets  me b zola   Aug-30-11 01:49 AM   #6 
  - Offsets are crap because they're not mandated.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 03:56 AM   #14 
     - The poster seems more interested in smears against Gore than discussing policy  me b zola   Aug-30-11 04:19 AM   #34 
        - Just sayin', I can critique offsets while also defending Al Gore for being 100% carbon neutral.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:47 AM   #53 
  - An unusual target  MilesColtrane   Aug-30-11 02:45 AM   #8 
  - Wildly odd OP to see at a Democratic site. Pathetic. Al Gore has never been any Democrat's enemy. nt  Judi Lynn   Aug-30-11 03:00 AM   #12 
     - But not surprising which 2 are assailing Gore here  Bluebear   Aug-30-11 04:25 AM   #38 
     - Noticed that. n/t  myrna minx   Aug-30-11 07:23 AM   #93 
     - Issue appears resolved...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 07:31 AM   #95 
  - knr  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 02:47 AM   #9 
  - Until you're offsetting all of your waste you have no credible critique of Al Gore.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 03:54 AM   #13 
  - explain offsets, does it mean that al gore magically uses less energy or creates  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:09 AM   #20 
     - Yes, he creates less waste than someone who is not offsetting. He can use 1000000x more energy...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:14 AM   #25 
        - you keep using this word "offset" without defining it or giving examples. you  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:17 AM   #30 
           - Al Gore is not a Luddite, he does not believe that all should reduce energy consmuption actively.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:27 AM   #40 
              - no, he believes he should use as much as he likes and then zap it with his offset raygun.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 04:36 AM   #46 
                 - You can offset right now and it's very affordable, around $20 a month per person.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 04:38 AM   #48 
                    - if it's $20 a month per person for anyone, then offsets are bullshit.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 05:57 AM   #62 
                       - You're the reason CO2 continues to rise. If everyone offset there wouldn't be a problem.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:34 AM   #70 
                          - he actually DOES pollute. on the level of a small city-state.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:47 AM   #78 
                             - Removing the same amount of CO2 that he produces from the atmopshere negates that fact.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:48 AM   #80 
                             - no, it doesn't. sorry that's so hard for you to understand. investing in  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 06:52 AM   #81 
                                - If that wind plant fits a CDM standard (which I'm not sure if it qualifies), yes, it would.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:56 AM   #83 
                             - ....."on the level of a small city state".........  madrchsod   Aug-30-11 07:00 AM   #85 
                                - Probably Oak Hill, AL?  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 07:03 AM   #87 
  - The message is correct even if Al isn't  FLPanhandle   Aug-30-11 05:57 AM   #63 
  - Offsets do take carbon out of the air, Krugman talks about it:  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:37 AM   #73 
     - I didn't say a cap and trade system wouldn't.  FLPanhandle   Aug-30-11 07:06 AM   #89 
        - Oh and I'm in complete agreement, Hansen is right, but yeah.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 07:12 AM   #90 
           - I don't get into bashing Al Gore.  FLPanhandle   Aug-30-11 07:35 AM   #96 
  - This is a fucked up OP  lunatica   Aug-30-11 06:25 AM   #66 
  - Look at this way: if Al Gore wanted to make a name for himself politically, being an environmentalis  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-30-11 06:37 AM   #74 
  - Tsk, Al Gore made money making a company to petition rich people and corporations...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 06:40 AM   #76 
     - Tsk! In *your* eyes, it makes him a bad person, not in mine. Sorry to disappoint you!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-30-11 07:02 AM   #86 
        - Apparently you haven't seen my dozens of posts in this thread defending him.  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 07:04 AM   #88 
  - Why buy into a lot of RW smears on Gore? The building you are comparing  FSogol   Aug-30-11 07:17 AM   #91 
  - Even if it was a house...  joshcryer   Aug-30-11 07:26 AM   #94 
     - LOL  FLPanhandle   Aug-30-11 08:20 AM   #101 
  - Why are these fucking trolls allowed to exist here at DU???  Gman   Aug-30-11 07:22 AM   #92 
  - Because this place is half of what it use to be....  trumad   Aug-30-11 07:37 AM   #97 
  - Yeh, who let all these flies in here?  peace frog   Aug-30-11 07:54 AM   #98 
  - Good question. Is FR still dead?  Greybnk48   Aug-30-11 08:03 AM   #100 
  - Ah, yes. Al Gore the environmental hypocrite.  Skinner   Aug-30-11 08:34 AM   #102 
 

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