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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:24 PM
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64. You quote Goebbels for a definition of socialism?
Edited on Tue Aug-30-11 04:25 PM by Cleita
That's like quoting George Bush for compassionate conservatism. It's nothing but doublespeak. The Nazis were no more socialist than conservatives are compassionate. It seems you have swallowed the propaganda whole and are the one who shows historical ignorance.
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  -We always joke about the "Hitler (history) Channel," but... YellowRubberDuckie  Aug-29-11 08:23 PM   #0 
  - Yeah, I know what you mean, I grew up during WWII. There are some  RKP5637   Aug-29-11 08:30 PM   #1 
  - Fascism never changes. Only the names change. nt  valerief   Aug-29-11 08:31 PM   #2 
  - To understand the Third Reich, you have to understand the humiliation from the First World War  no_hypocrisy   Aug-29-11 08:33 PM   #3 
  - Yes, to understand the Third Reich,  tabasco   Aug-31-11 05:37 PM   #89 
  - I just finished a history course titled "Nazi Germany" and do not agree  sammytko   Aug-29-11 08:34 PM   #4 
  - I hope that "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"  Cleita   Aug-29-11 08:54 PM   #14 
  - Best WWII book ever.  virgogal   Aug-29-11 09:07 PM   #19 
  - It's not just about WWII but the events leading  Cleita   Aug-29-11 09:27 PM   #21 
     - There also were people in Germany at the beginning  newspeak   Aug-30-11 11:45 AM   #44 
  - I've read it several times many years ago.  pnorman   Aug-29-11 10:45 PM   #24 
  - " . . . industrial fascism." That is the crux of our problem as our leaders scramble to provide jobs  Major Hogwash   Aug-30-11 07:37 AM   #36 
  - It is a very good, thoroughly researched book.  Major Hogwash   Aug-30-11 07:39 AM   #37 
  - Cleita  Diclotican   Aug-31-11 01:05 PM   #85 
     - Do, because he was given access to all the Nazi archives  Cleita   Aug-31-11 05:35 PM   #88 
        - Cleita  Diclotican   Sep-01-11 02:16 PM   #96 
  - the inflation is bad, but we aren't leaving at lunch break...  stuckinarut   Aug-29-11 09:05 PM   #18 
     - that was the aftermath of ww1. 1921-1923.  indurancevile   Aug-30-11 01:03 AM   #32 
        - Right, the inflation that moistened the soil for fascism to  stuckinarut   Aug-30-11 07:39 AM   #38 
  - There's so many parallels between the rise of the tea party and the rise of the Nazis it isn't funny  Initech   Aug-29-11 08:36 PM   #5 
  - Human Smoke.  rug   Aug-29-11 08:39 PM   #6 
  - I get the same feeling  Bragi   Aug-29-11 08:39 PM   #7 
  - The Kershaw book is superb  hifiguy   Aug-30-11 02:06 PM   #52 
  - Americans scoff at any comparisons to the rise or the Third Reich  judgegblue   Aug-29-11 08:39 PM   #8 
  - What's strange is in Hitler's book "Mein Kampf", he  Cleita   Aug-29-11 08:55 PM   #15 
  - A strongly recommended read  The Blue Flower   Aug-29-11 08:45 PM   #9 
  - Also: "In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler's Berlin"  Bragi   Aug-30-11 07:20 AM   #35 
  - No, we're not  alcibiades_mystery   Aug-29-11 08:46 PM   #10 
  - OMG!  dennis4868   Aug-29-11 08:46 PM   #11 
  - Sounds like a bunch of lunatics  sammytko   Aug-29-11 08:50 PM   #13 
     - Yes, those who are benefitting from the fascism rising  Cleita   Aug-29-11 09:01 PM   #17 
  - My grandfather...  dennis4868   Aug-29-11 08:47 PM   #12 
  - What happened was gradual and the worst atrocities  Cleita   Aug-29-11 08:59 PM   #16 
  - The poor and the brown.  hifiguy   Aug-30-11 02:08 PM   #53 
  - Then let's compare what's happening now  OnyxCollie   Aug-30-11 01:48 AM   #33 
  - Yeah, because if these whack job Christians get power....  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-30-11 07:00 AM   #34 
  - When should we start comparing the two?  osteenq   Aug-30-11 04:41 PM   #66 
     - give me a break....  dennis4868   Aug-30-11 07:20 PM   #78 
  - We're just one Reichstag fire away  notadmblnd   Aug-29-11 09:24 PM   #20 
  - We had the Reichstag fire. It was known as 9-11. That's  Cleita   Aug-29-11 09:29 PM   #22 
     - +1  hifiguy   Aug-30-11 02:47 PM   #60 
  - With Obama in charge, Dem Senate, Dem house until recently?  Zax2me   Aug-29-11 10:09 PM   #23 
  - Again, see the comparison to the Wiemar Republic. We are led my spineless weenies. They are led by  Erose999   Aug-29-11 10:52 PM   #25 
  - Read "The 12 Year Reich" by Richard Grunberger  Taverner   Aug-29-11 10:54 PM   #26 
  - But great in market placement  izquierdista   Aug-29-11 11:24 PM   #27 
  - Absolutely. Its about control of the perception of reality without regard FOR reality.  napoleon_in_rags   Aug-29-11 11:34 PM   #28 
  - Exactly. It's make up your own reality. Are you listening  Cleita   Aug-30-11 11:41 AM   #43 
  - It will take another economic catastatrophe to "wake us up"  steve2470   Aug-29-11 11:53 PM   #29 
  - My son called it to me in 2000.  Lugnut   Aug-30-11 12:51 AM   #30 
  - And yet they peacefully transitioned power after the 2008 election.  hugo_from_TN   Aug-30-11 01:59 PM   #50 
     - damn you and your logic!  Rebubula   Aug-30-11 02:34 PM   #57 
     - Did they?  OnyxCollie   Aug-30-11 04:31 PM   #65 
     - So now we are equating Obama with Hitler on DU?  hugo_from_TN   Aug-30-11 06:20 PM   #74 
        - You are.  OnyxCollie   Aug-30-11 06:22 PM   #75 
     - Transitioned to another one of their own  FiveGoodMen   Aug-30-11 05:51 PM   #69 
  - Capitalism and Fascism are two different things  Hippo_Tron   Aug-30-11 01:01 AM   #31 
  - Of course, being Jewish you would rather live here.  Cleita   Aug-30-11 11:31 AM   #41 
  - A Godwin thread...sweet!  tjwash   Aug-30-11 07:40 AM   #39 
  - Huh?  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-30-11 08:11 AM   #40 
     - Don't forget Mexicans or any others who aren't properly  Cleita   Aug-30-11 11:39 AM   #42 
  - ..."you will see how we are heading in the EXACT SAME DIRECTION! "  Cool Logic   Aug-30-11 11:48 AM   #45 
  - Have you seen the buses rolling  Cleita   Aug-30-11 11:57 AM   #47 
  - "...and we are reaching that degree at a state level."  Cool Logic   Aug-30-11 02:19 PM   #55 
     - You quote Goebbels for a definition of socialism?  Cleita   Aug-30-11 04:24 PM   #64 
        - It is, in fact, a Goebbels quote--sacrifice is the context and sacrifice was indeed the Nazi...  Cool Logic   Aug-30-11 06:37 PM   #76 
           - Well, they are not, even if Goebbels or Rush Limbaugh says so.  Cleita   Aug-30-11 07:14 PM   #77 
              - It doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else thinks...  Cool Logic   Aug-31-11 11:05 AM   #80 
                 - Socialism is not those things. Go back to your dictionary.  Cleita   Aug-31-11 11:26 AM   #83 
                    - "Real socialism is democratic not authoritarian."  Cool Logic   Aug-31-11 12:58 PM   #84 
                       - Well, I like Denmark and they are a socialist democracy.  Cleita   Aug-31-11 04:53 PM   #86 
                          - Well, Denmark is a Capitalist nation with the most free-market economy in the EU-15  Cool Logic   Sep-01-11 11:07 AM   #91 
                             - Yes, that's why it's called a social democracy. Yes, it is  Cleita   Sep-01-11 11:16 AM   #92 
                                - Actually, it looks like you have been convinced of the superiority of Capitalism....  Cool Logic   Sep-01-11 11:57 AM   #93 
                                   - No, I haven't been. If capitalism was so superior where  Cleita   Sep-01-11 12:03 PM   #94 
                                      - "However, this conversation was about your misunderstanding of socialism..."  Cool Logic   Sep-01-11 12:50 PM   #95 
                                         - delete  Cleita   Sep-01-11 02:23 PM   #97 
                                         - Government means of production is  Cleita   Sep-01-11 02:45 PM   #98 
                                         - Also, you are very naive to think people are honorable  Cleita   Sep-01-11 02:51 PM   #99 
  - Yes. We must wait for the total destruction of America before admitting there's a problem  FiveGoodMen   Aug-30-11 05:53 PM   #70 
     - "False hope is a form of torture."  Cool Logic   Aug-31-11 11:07 AM   #81 
  - I just re-read the Shock Doctrine and found it more disturbing today than during Bush's tenure.  Marr   Aug-30-11 11:49 AM   #46 
  - That's a must read IMHO to understand what's happening today.  Cleita   Aug-30-11 11:58 AM   #48 
  - Just finishing "The Shock Doctrine" now.  hifiguy   Aug-30-11 02:45 PM   #59 
  - It blows my mind that even DUers say you're crazy just because, after all, we're not putting jews in  lib_wit_it   Aug-30-11 01:49 PM   #49 
  - The players today are different but the model is the same. The core  harun   Aug-31-11 11:15 AM   #82 
  - That's why they're now headed in the direction of  hifiguy   Aug-30-11 02:00 PM   #51 
  - do you know of noam chomsky?  BOG PERSON   Aug-30-11 02:13 PM   #54 
  - Have you read anything or seen anything about the years leading up to WW2?  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-30-11 03:51 PM   #62 
  - If Chomsky said it, then we all better sit up and take  Cleita   Aug-31-11 10:11 AM   #79 
     - i disagree  BOG PERSON   Aug-31-11 05:33 PM   #87 
        - He sure got it right about Latin America and Vietnam.  Cleita   Aug-31-11 05:39 PM   #90 
  - Unrec...  Rebubula   Aug-30-11 02:30 PM   #56 
  - They don't have to "shut down" these things any more  hifiguy   Aug-30-11 02:42 PM   #58 
  - OK  Rebubula   Aug-30-11 02:56 PM   #61 
  - Yeah, because I WANT FASCISM.  YellowRubberDuckie   Aug-30-11 03:54 PM   #63 
  - "Until they shut down Freedom of Speech, the Press and the 2nd Amendment -  OnyxCollie   Aug-30-11 04:57 PM   #68 
  - A few commonalities, mostly vastly oversimplified parallels, but also huge differences.  Bucky   Aug-30-11 04:50 PM   #67 
  - Give examples.  ecstatic   Aug-30-11 05:59 PM   #71 
  - Okay.  OnyxCollie   Aug-30-11 06:10 PM   #73 
  - I said much the same thing in Sept. 2001  LadyHawkAZ   Aug-30-11 06:10 PM   #72 
 

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