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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 07:26 PM
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4. I think the bumper sticker should be "Obama 2012 - we cannot risk the alternative"
I know its not an entirely positive message but in this situation and political environment this will resonate with voters.
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  -Obama offers 2012 election supporters change they can believe in next term Better Believe It  Aug-29-11 07:18 PM   #0 
  - "Make no mistake: I won't pull the football away this time,  MannyGoldstein   Aug-29-11 07:21 PM   #1 
  - ...  William769   Aug-29-11 07:27 PM   #5 
  - He was such a nice guy!  marlakay   Aug-29-11 07:35 PM   #8 
  - Charles Schultz?  MannyGoldstein   Aug-29-11 09:44 PM   #83 
  - Thanks for that wonderful post! nt  SusanaMontana41   Aug-30-11 09:26 AM   #159 
  - Wow, that was great!!!  Beacool   Aug-30-11 02:54 PM   #162 
     - I thought it would make Manny's day.  William769   Aug-30-11 08:00 PM   #169 
        - I'm sure it did.  Beacool   Aug-30-11 09:39 PM   #172 
  - lol  Skip Intro   Aug-29-11 08:30 PM   #47 
  - Lol  walerosco   Aug-29-11 09:38 PM   #80 
  - yup  shanti   Aug-29-11 09:56 PM   #93 
  - This works for me:  abelenkpe   Aug-29-11 07:22 PM   #2 
  - duzy worthy..nt  xiamiam   Aug-30-11 03:12 PM   #164 
  - I'm partial to:  LondonReign2   Aug-30-11 03:33 PM   #166 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Aug-29-11 07:24 PM   #3 
  - I think the bumper sticker should be "Obama 2012 - we cannot risk the alternative"  DCBob   Aug-29-11 07:26 PM   #4 
  - Ah yes, the tired, old 'terra terra terra' BS  ixion   Aug-29-11 07:50 PM   #10 
  - nothing to do with "terra".. its about not letting the psycho-Republicans take control.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 07:54 PM   #11 
  - But we're told Obama can't do anything because the GOP has control  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 08:03 PM   #17 
  - Yes you are confused. They are not in control but they sure have gummed up the works.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:06 PM   #19 
     - So the Democrats are currently in control?  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 08:11 PM   #20 
     - Do you read? We have a divided government in a political gridlock.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:16 PM   #23 
        - You had the majority from 2006 through 2010  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:19 PM   #28 
        - who's you??  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:21 PM   #32 
        - I'm an independent  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:22 PM   #33 
           - then why are you here?  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:23 PM   #36 
              - To keep folks like you honest  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:24 PM   #38 
                 - honesty is in serious short supply on this site and in politics in general.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:27 PM   #41 
                    - and that is something that really needs to 'change'  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:29 PM   #46 
                       - Voting is not necessarily an "endorsement," and it is not a "pact." That is nonsensical. When you  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:16 PM   #67 
                          - That you treat it so lightly is very telling  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:18 PM   #68 
                             - It has nothing to do with the way "I" treat it. It has to do with something called reality.  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:22 PM   #70 
                                - That is a tired, stale argument  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:24 PM   #72 
                                   - You aren't claiming Republicans won't end Medicare, or that they won't appoint justices that will  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:30 PM   #74 
                                   - No, I'm saying  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:33 PM   #75 
                                   - How are these "threats" at all? Doesn't a threat require the promise of voluntary action as a  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:42 PM   #81 
                                   - Saying "Vote Dem because the other guy is worse" is a threat  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:48 PM   #86 
                                   - Once again, if someone were to tell you to avoid jumping off a ledge, would you consider that a  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:53 PM   #90 
                                   - What 'entirely true' statement is it that you are making  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:57 PM   #95 
                                   - The statement about the particular consequences of a Republican victory that are different than  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:02 PM   #98 
                                   - That isn't even close to an 'entirely true' statement  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:05 PM   #100 
                                   - What will you do if you are wrong? Of course someone who isn't capable of rebutting a claim will say  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:07 PM   #103 
                                   - I'm not wrong, though, so no worries. Endless war is bad.  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:08 PM   #105 
                                   - I wasn't asking about endless war. What if you are wrong that Republicans won't end entitlements? nt  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:09 PM   #106 
                                   - As I've said numerous times in this thread:  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:11 PM   #109 
                                   - But much of what you want (prosecutions of Bush et al) you aren't ever going to get. You have the  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:16 PM   #112 
                                   - Then, as I said, entitlements become irrelevant in a state of endless war.  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:20 PM   #116 
                                   - Your choice already ceases to exist, because it never existed. The problems that you say need to be  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:23 PM   #118 
                                   - If it is not solved, we cease to be.  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:24 PM   #120 
                                   - But even if I assume that for the sake of argument, what do you GAIN by enabling a candidate that  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:26 PM   #122 
                                   - I gain nothing in either case.  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:30 PM   #126 
                                   - If you were the deciding vote, and your vote enabled the election of a Republican over the election  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:32 PM   #127 
                                   - Once again, this is sheer rhetorical, theoretical, political spin  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:34 PM   #131 
                                   - How could a question be spin? n/t  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:35 PM   #133 
                                   - quite easily. It is, in fact, the hallmark of spin.  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:36 PM   #136 
        - a majority  DonCoquixote   Aug-29-11 11:12 PM   #152 
        - Gridlock? The Republicans seem to get almost everything they want!  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:19 PM   #29 
        - you have no idea what this country would look like if they "get everything they want".  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:22 PM   #35 
           - We could end up with mandatory health insurance pymts. No jobs, more war  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 08:27 PM   #42 
           - well its hard to talk sense with a closed mind.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:30 PM   #48 
           - You mean mass unemployment, foreclosures, wage/benefit cuts, attacks on so-called "entitlements"?  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:29 PM   #45 
           - You're scaring me. Where can I get one of those bumper stickers?  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 08:32 PM   #53 
           - yawn  Little Star   Aug-29-11 08:38 PM   #59 
        - Maybe if the GOP wins the Dems can 'gum up the works'  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 08:20 PM   #30 
           - The Democratic leadership seems to be doing that when they win!  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:22 PM   #34 
           - not if they take the WH and both chambers.. nothing can stop them.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:25 PM   #40 
              - The Dems had a Golden Opportunity to be heroes, to be populists  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:27 PM   #43 
              - Nothing new. Democratic leaders failed to stop George W. Bush  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:37 PM   #57 
     - So, why can't the Democrats 'gum up the works'? In the minority  sabrina 1   Aug-29-11 10:05 PM   #101 
        - Thank you, Sabrina.  Raksha   Aug-30-11 03:14 AM   #156 
  - Exactly. BOTH sides use fear as a motivator  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:17 PM   #26 
     - but what if its completely true?  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:18 PM   #27 
        - true? oh please...  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:21 PM   #31 
           - so what do you think this country would look like with Teabagers running the show?  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:24 PM   #37 
              - Pretty much what it looks like now, which is crap  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:25 PM   #39 
              - clearly you dont know much about what the Republicans want to do to this country.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:29 PM   #44 
                 - Clearly, I do. All I have to do is look around, because they're doing it still  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:30 PM   #50 
                 - "I'm just supposed to let that pass?" You are supposed to recognize that it isn't really up to you.  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:21 PM   #69 
                    - gee, just a second ago you called me an enabler... so what is it?  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:34 PM   #77 
                       - Sure, on some issues (such as not prosecuting previous presidents) we will be going the same way  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:46 PM   #85 
                          - I am concerned about the big things, like hostile occupations and endless 'wars'  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:51 PM   #88 
                             - But that isn't the question. The question isn't between a candidate who will prosecute his  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:56 PM   #94 
                                - I beg to differ, sir, that is PRECISELY the question  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:59 PM   #96 
                                   - If that is the question, then where is the viable candidate that wants to end entitlements but  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:04 PM   #99 
                                   - entitlements are little wins. I'm talking about serious issues that threaten our existence  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:07 PM   #104 
                                      - So the entire senior population keeping their Medicare is a "little win?"  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:10 PM   #107 
                                      - Yes, in the big picture it is, and here's why:  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:13 PM   #110 
                                      - But you would be voting to enable a candidate that would want to expand such wars even more than you  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:18 PM   #114 
                                      - Obama expanded into Pakistan and Yemen, and escalated Afghanistan  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:21 PM   #117 
                                      - But do you think the Republican is going to pull out of those places? n/t  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:24 PM   #119 
                                      - No, I don't.  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:25 PM   #121 
                                      - Then why take an action that will increase the likelihood that one becomes President? n/t  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:29 PM   #124 
                                      - one will become pResident no matter what action I take  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:32 PM   #128 
                                      - So your entire argument comes down to not wanting to spend 5 minutes voting?  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:33 PM   #130 
                                      - No, my argument is that I have to live with myself  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:35 PM   #134 
                                      - Like Nader's voters, you will have to live with the knowledge that every action the next Republican  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:36 PM   #137 
                                      - lol... whatever with your threats  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:37 PM   #139 
                                      - Pointing out the obvious is not a threat, any more than any warning of danger is a threat. n/t  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:38 PM   #140 
                                   - So, you're stating how progressives think, but upthread you said you are an independent.  blue neen   Aug-29-11 10:44 PM   #145 
                                      - Yeah, that's the beauty of being an independent  ixion   Aug-29-11 10:53 PM   #147 
                                         - Really? I was kind of feeling that you were thinking for me.  blue neen   Aug-29-11 10:58 PM   #150 
                                         - Nah, you're on your own...  ixion   Aug-29-11 11:02 PM   #151 
                 - They want to cut so-called "entitlements". Isn't that right?  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:31 PM   #52 
                    - Actually that is false. They don't want to "cut" entitlements. They want to END entitlements.  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:23 PM   #71 
                       - Wouldn't ending them save us more money than cutting them?  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 09:37 PM   #78 
                          - What does that question have to do with my post?  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:45 PM   #84 
                             - If you're going to run on RW policy you should go all the way  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 09:55 PM   #92 
                                - Why is that? Isn't it better that one of the eventual people who might be inaugurated does not want  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:59 PM   #97 
                                   - No. The GOP plan could end up looking better. Privatize rather than lose it.  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 10:06 PM   #102 
                                      - But Obama is not in favor of privatization or ending it, and you are saying he should be.  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:11 PM   #108 
                                         - It's the intention of both parties to privatize it. At least the GOP says it  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 10:14 PM   #111 
                                            - My only point is that the people who decide in the end not to vote for Obama (for the most part) are  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:20 PM   #115 
                                            - Privatization vs nothing at all. Which would you choose?  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 10:27 PM   #123 
                                            - Are you actually claiming that the Democrats aren't offering an alternative to privatization? n/t  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:29 PM   #125 
                                            - Yes n/t  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 10:33 PM   #129 
                                            - So just to be clear: you think Obama's stated proposal to not privatize Medicare is actually  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:35 PM   #135 
                                            - What did the Catfood Commission recommend? Neighborhood Potluck & Cataract Surgery Days?  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 10:39 PM   #142 
                                            - They recommended keeping Medicare as a fully public program. They didn't even offer vouchers as an  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:41 PM   #143 
                                            - Not immediately. But you know that  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 10:47 PM   #146 
                                            - So your entire theory relies on denial? The proposed plans are not what you wish they would be to  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 10:56 PM   #149 
                                            - Do you understand that Obama's 2010 HCR is privatized healthcare?  leftstreet   Aug-30-11 03:28 PM   #165 
              - yawn, again.  Little Star   Aug-29-11 08:40 PM   #60 
                 - There will become a time where a lot of people yawning now will not be yawning in the yawning in the  BzaDem   Aug-29-11 09:24 PM   #73 
  - LOL....  cliffordu   Aug-29-11 07:59 PM   #13 
     - Tell it to Christopher Hitchens  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:17 PM   #24 
        - So fucking what?  cliffordu   Aug-30-11 12:16 AM   #154 
           - It's a valid premise  ixion   Aug-30-11 06:57 AM   #157 
  - Or "Vote Obama 2012 - The Republican is worse" That's catchy.  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:15 PM   #21 
  - that is the underlying message and for many that is good enough.  DCBob   Aug-29-11 08:17 PM   #25 
  - Since you so genuinely seem to want to be helpful to the President's re-election campaign,  blue neen   Aug-29-11 10:55 PM   #148 
  - So basically "Obama 2012, not as repulsive as the other guy/gal"  Raine   Aug-29-11 08:54 PM   #63 
  - That's pretty fucking sad.  muffin1   Aug-29-11 10:34 PM   #132 
  - Edwin Edwards' "Vote for the crook, it's important" had the same message and it certainly worked  Hippo_Tron   Aug-30-11 10:17 PM   #175 
  - 2012, Well at least he isn't making any catchy promises.  Autumn   Aug-29-11 07:27 PM   #6 
  - gives me fond memories when the "present" crap gets dredged up years later.  dionysus   Aug-29-11 07:30 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-11 08:30 PM   #49 
  - Isn't '2012' the title of a disaster movie?  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 07:58 PM   #12 
     - Why yes I believe it was.  Autumn   Aug-29-11 09:42 PM   #82 
        - A movie about preparing 6 billion people for the end of the world  leftstreet   Aug-29-11 09:51 PM   #87 
  - Change you can believe in... no, really.... trust me...  ixion   Aug-29-11 07:49 PM   #9 
  - I'm not sure I would buy a used car from  Autumn   Aug-30-11 10:53 AM   #160 
  - Corrupt.  Bluebear   Aug-29-11 08:01 PM   #14 
  - I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.  Safetykitten   Aug-29-11 08:02 PM   #15 
  - And just as wimpy  Bluebear   Aug-29-11 08:03 PM   #16 
  - lol!!!!!  Little Star   Aug-29-11 08:41 PM   #61 
  - I can't wait to see the slogan  quinnox   Aug-29-11 08:06 PM   #18 
  - This sounds vaguely familiar . . .  Le Taz Hot   Aug-29-11 08:16 PM   #22 
  - Fuck. That. Noise.  BulletproofLandshark   Aug-29-11 08:31 PM   #51 
  - Yep. We're the "Professional Left"  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:56 PM   #64 
  - "Meh you can believe in!"  Starry Messenger   Aug-29-11 08:33 PM   #54 
  - "There'll be pie in the sky when you die."  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-29-11 08:35 PM   #55 
  - And that's no lie!  Better Believe It   Aug-29-11 08:38 PM   #58 
     - Change goes buh-bye  ixion   Aug-29-11 08:57 PM   #65 
        - And Hope runs dry  Bluebear   Aug-29-11 09:15 PM   #66 
  - That is like a slap in the face, no? n/t  Little Star   Aug-29-11 08:36 PM   #56 
  - Here's a 2012 for you...  ladyVet   Aug-29-11 08:54 PM   #62 
  - You really want him to lose, don't you?  treestar   Aug-29-11 09:33 PM   #76 
  - Whoooosh .... nt  TBF   Aug-29-11 09:52 PM   #89 
  - a great example of the 'fear' motivator  ixion   Aug-29-11 09:53 PM   #91 
  - He won't lose if he becomes the Democrat that he claimed to be  Raine   Aug-29-11 10:36 PM   #138 
  - I see a republican right now. He's going to have to do something  B Calm   Aug-30-11 03:09 PM   #163 
  - Ya think?  Bobbie Jo   Aug-30-11 09:22 AM   #158 
  - OMG  LWolf   Aug-29-11 09:38 PM   #79 
  - "His triumphant 2008 message of hope and change has undergone a radical transformation,  Beacool   Aug-29-11 10:17 PM   #113 
  - Are you kidding? Only yesterday someone here...  Bluebear   Aug-30-11 02:54 AM   #155 
     - Then that's more of a shame.  Beacool   Aug-30-11 02:46 PM   #161 
        - With you.  Bluebear   Aug-30-11 04:28 PM   #167 
  - tomorrow, next week, next month, next term - what's the difference  Broderick   Aug-29-11 10:39 PM   #141 
  - Now more than ever.  BlueCheese   Aug-29-11 10:44 PM   #144 
  - It's now or never. nt  bemildred   Aug-29-11 11:45 PM   #153 
  - fool me once...  amborin   Aug-30-11 04:29 PM   #168 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-11 08:22 PM   #170 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-11 09:07 PM   #171 
  - This is a progressive discussion board. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.  Better Believe It   Aug-30-11 09:51 PM   #173 
  - Fool me once - Shame on you . . .  lynne   Aug-30-11 10:10 PM   #174 
  - Everybody chill out. I got this.  Zorra   Aug-30-11 11:16 PM   #176 

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