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Sat Aug-27-11 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #37 |
| 60. And that needs to stop |
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Lame brain school administrators, with their Ed. PhD's from Southeast Slippery Rock State night school (that took them 12 years to finish) don't seem to grasp good old fashioned American common sense sometimes.
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| -Self-defense should be promoted as a remedy against school bullying |
bluestateguy |
Aug-26-11 11:38 PM |
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I agree. Sometimes, nothing else works except hitting the bully. |
backscatter712 |
Aug-26-11 11:40 PM |
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I am still a little person. I cannot fight. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Aug-26-11 11:44 PM |
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We had a guy that was 5'3 in high school too |
bluestateguy |
Aug-26-11 11:46 PM |
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there's one advantage to being short and being bullied. |
provis99 |
Aug-27-11 12:38 AM |
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Mister Myagi wasn't all that big, now, was he? |
MADem |
Aug-27-11 12:53 AM |
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You missed out on some things. |
The Doctor. |
Aug-27-11 01:28 AM |
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Wow! I'm impressed. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Aug-28-11 03:57 AM |
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+100. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-11 01:31 PM |
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I understand, but many martial arts disciplines |
_ed_ |
Aug-27-11 08:52 AM |
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My son took Martial Arts, at tournaments he took down a kid nearly twice his size, at school he |
NotThisTime |
Aug-27-11 11:13 PM |
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You don't have to be huge and muscular to defend yourself. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-27-11 01:50 PM |
#44 |
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At 5'3" |
Dorian Gray |
Aug-27-11 02:45 PM |
#48 |
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I'm 5'3". I've taken on 6'1" attacker; broken his arm, shattered his cheekbone |
REP |
Aug-28-11 11:33 AM |
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Does being small prevent you from kicking a guy in the testicles? |
Lucian |
Aug-28-11 11:35 AM |
#111 |
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have you ever kicked a guy in the testicles? |
pitohui |
Aug-28-11 04:46 PM |
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Oh c'mon. |
Lucian |
Aug-28-11 05:17 PM |
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you've kicked "many" men in the testicles? really? |
pitohui |
Aug-28-11 10:16 PM |
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Most of this is bullshit. |
Drahthaardogs |
Aug-28-11 10:33 PM |
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I know of many guys who've been kicked in the testicles... |
Lucian |
Aug-28-11 10:51 PM |
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I Wasn't |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-29-11 12:57 PM |
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... |
Lucian |
Aug-28-11 10:49 PM |
#129 |
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Thank you. |
raccoon |
Aug-29-11 01:06 PM |
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Total, complete, BUNK. I'm 5'3" and 135 lbs. I FEAR NOBODY. |
NM Independent |
Aug-28-11 04:12 PM |
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Self defense? |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-26-11 11:50 PM |
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We could do that or we could just give them |
ohheckyeah |
Aug-27-11 12:01 AM |
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Well thats just idiotic. |
cleanhippie |
Aug-27-11 02:50 PM |
#53 |
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Look at the post I was responding to. |
ohheckyeah |
Aug-27-11 03:04 PM |
#61 |
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Ahh, sorry, my bad. |
cleanhippie |
Aug-27-11 03:36 PM |
#66 |
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no problem |
ohheckyeah |
Aug-27-11 03:41 PM |
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I suppose I could have too. nt |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-27-11 04:25 PM |
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LOL.... |
ohheckyeah |
Aug-27-11 07:55 PM |
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Don't worry. He was just trying to hijack. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 03:58 PM |
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Do you want them to be bullied or fight back? |
Joey Liberal |
Aug-27-11 09:46 AM |
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It'd be nice if they didn't get in TROUBLE for fighting back. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-11 11:56 AM |
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Yep. Schools nowadays employ "zero tolerance." Means nothing changes. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:02 PM |
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Hell, it'd be nice if they didn't get in trouble for being assaulted in the first place |
Posteritatis |
Aug-28-11 04:27 PM |
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Neither. |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-27-11 12:01 PM |
#35 |
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Please explain to us non-violent methods of stopping an assault in progress. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-28-11 04:36 PM |
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Step one. |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-29-11 12:01 PM |
#131 |
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So you're hopelessly naive and have never been jumped. Okay then. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-29-11 04:05 PM |
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Wrong. |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-29-11 04:34 PM |
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A little "gouging" and "crushing" doesn't sound bad. Might end the bullying.nt |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:00 PM |
#70 |
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Yeah. |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-27-11 04:22 PM |
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Let 'em walk in. And who would be the one sued? The school or the parent? |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:25 PM |
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I suppose it would depend on the case. |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-27-11 04:29 PM |
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And the cases don't usually involve stretching: |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:39 PM |
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Care to answer my question? |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-27-11 07:17 PM |
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Wrist locks. |
aikoaiko |
Aug-27-11 08:32 PM |
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Certainly |
texshelters |
Aug-26-11 11:55 PM |
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Sometimes all you have to do is to be |
ohheckyeah |
Aug-27-11 12:04 AM |
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But sometims the person bullied is hopelessly smaller than the other |
JDPriestly |
Aug-27-11 12:16 AM |
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Well you know |
Skip_In_Boulder |
Aug-27-11 12:29 AM |
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Bruce Lee also had enhanced fighting skill and was fast. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-11 01:30 AM |
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Sure, but he wasn't born with them |
Skip_In_Boulder |
Aug-27-11 01:10 PM |
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I was told to hit back and I will instill the same wisdom. |
Modern_Matthew |
Aug-27-11 12:20 AM |
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Fighting back means that the school has failed in its duty to protect the non-bully |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-27-11 12:29 AM |
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One of the reasons zero-tolerance doesn't make sense. Adults can not be omnipresent and omnipotent. |
fishbulb703 |
Aug-27-11 02:51 PM |
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The sad thing is, though, that the bullies will also learn the techniques. |
MADem |
Aug-27-11 12:47 AM |
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The Bullies are More Athletic, so They Would Learn the Techniques Much Faster |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-27-11 03:59 AM |
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Bullies have been around a looooooong time. They are not big adapters. |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-27-11 03:08 PM |
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I disagree. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-27-11 04:28 PM |
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Why Would it Be Any Different From Any Other School Athletic Activity? |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-28-11 03:25 AM |
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My thoughts are below. I think your questions show that you don't have experience in this area. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-28-11 11:28 AM |
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So they Send the Gym Teacher Off to Get the State-Mandated Training |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-29-11 01:08 PM |
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Tossing baby with the bathwater? |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-30-11 03:25 AM |
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I Totally Agree With You on Dancing BTW |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-29-11 12:41 PM |
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Schools throw the book at you for fighting back |
bamboo harvester |
Aug-27-11 12:55 AM |
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He called me a bad name, and was invading my personal space, so I stabbed him with a pencil? |
Electric Monk |
Aug-27-11 12:59 AM |
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Because zero tolerance for bullies and others who use violence... |
Ozymanithrax |
Aug-27-11 01:06 AM |
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SIIIIIIIIGGGGHHH . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-11 01:07 AM |
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If that is the approach you want to take then that is fine for you |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 01:20 AM |
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Yeah. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-11 01:28 AM |
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Worked for me. |
The Doctor. |
Aug-27-11 01:16 AM |
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Schools should be just like Lord of the Flies |
Taitertots |
Aug-27-11 09:02 AM |
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My first day of HS school there was a boy bullying the girl sitting in front of him about having sex |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-27-11 09:16 AM |
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That'll teach. Of course, if I did the same thing, that'd be an instant trip to juvie. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-11 11:39 AM |
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Many boys will step up to defend a girl being bullied |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 02:59 PM |
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Didn't even realize what was going on until I was being interviewed about what I seen happen |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-29-11 05:16 PM |
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Self Defense training is the way to go |
Joey Liberal |
Aug-27-11 09:23 AM |
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Okay. |
LWolf |
Aug-27-11 10:44 AM |
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Or, how about just getting rid of the problem altogether and say on day one: |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-11 11:54 AM |
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Would you have a student suspended who defends himself after being violently attacked? |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 02:44 PM |
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The mistake most parents make is in not calling the cops. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-27-11 04:38 PM |
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Your cues fall short. |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 09:23 AM |
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Most of your rebuttal seems to be accommodating . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-11 01:13 PM |
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No. My rebuttals are about the law. |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 07:19 PM |
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If a crime is committed BY CHOICE, a law is broken. What about assault or sexual harassment? |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-11 07:59 PM |
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The system is bound by laws. |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 08:51 PM |
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there's no one-size-fits-all solution |
fishwax |
Aug-27-11 11:53 AM |
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I will definitely be teaching my kids to fight back if they are physically attacked. |
krabigirl |
Aug-27-11 12:02 PM |
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Sometimes the victim fighting back will get in trouble |
tabbycat31 |
Aug-27-11 12:10 PM |
#37 |
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And that needs to stop |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 03:04 PM |
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With respect... |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:13 PM |
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I see your point. Schools have enabled bullies over the last 30-40 yrs... |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:12 PM |
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Principals used to have balls. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-27-11 04:40 PM |
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Personal defense is a survival skill and is equal parts mental preparation and skills. |
davsand |
Aug-27-11 01:11 PM |
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The only reason I was not expelled, I suspect, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-27-11 01:14 PM |
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If my autistic child even could learn self-defense, |
Book Lover |
Aug-27-11 01:21 PM |
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I never said it would work for everybody |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 02:36 PM |
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Okay, what about kids with disabilities? |
mentalsolstice |
Aug-27-11 01:29 PM |
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If said disability prevents him or her from self-defense then the above OP is not for those kids |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 02:50 PM |
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Many of us victims of bullying were PUNISHED for defending ourselves. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-27-11 01:47 PM |
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Indeed |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 03:17 PM |
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That's ve-e-e-l-ly interesting und ovuh zee top. But true. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:21 PM |
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Nail. Head. Hit. It's the attitude that self-defense is just more violence... |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:19 PM |
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My son was punished in middle school for defending a classmate from bullying. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-11 02:04 PM |
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A friend of mine was suspended in middle school for standing up to his bully |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 02:46 PM |
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Good For Them |
NashVegas |
Aug-27-11 02:49 PM |
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Most kids have an inherent sense of what's right and what's wrong. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-27-11 02:54 PM |
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Better Have Witnesses / Cameras |
NashVegas |
Aug-27-11 02:48 PM |
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Yes, it should. Unfortunately, too many feel that protecting one's self is a bad thing. |
cleanhippie |
Aug-27-11 02:51 PM |
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It is a victim mentality that unfortunately many on the Left seem to embrace |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 02:57 PM |
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No it shouldn't. For the following reasons. |
JVS |
Aug-27-11 03:01 PM |
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Would you have a student suspended who defends himself after being violently attacked? |
bluestateguy |
Aug-27-11 03:09 PM |
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If I considered the response disproportionate, yes. |
JVS |
Aug-27-11 03:54 PM |
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The person assaulting should expact a little disproportionality. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:24 PM |
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So, where do you draw the line? How badly am I allowed to fuck up someone who I think is picking... |
JVS |
Aug-27-11 04:27 PM |
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Til the ASSAULTER stops. It's called self-defense for a reason. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:30 PM |
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Quit dodging the question. How extreme am I allowed to be. Can I shoot or stab a kid who punches me? |
JVS |
Aug-27-11 04:32 PM |
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You have your answer, and it was clear: |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:46 PM |
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You have your answer, and it was clear: |
SteveM |
Aug-27-11 04:50 PM |
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Absolutely |
War Horse |
Aug-27-11 03:07 PM |
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Aug-27-11 04:21 PM |
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Yes, our schools should prepare children for prison. |
The Midway Rebel |
Aug-27-11 04:33 PM |
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LOL! |
JVS |
Aug-27-11 04:52 PM |
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I wish that my parents had done that |
AnnieBW |
Aug-27-11 07:53 PM |
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Nowadays the victim will often be expelled or suspended, too, even if he doesn't fight |
tblue37 |
Aug-27-11 08:23 PM |
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Many school administrators and teachers are actually bullies themselves, |
chrisa |
Aug-27-11 08:25 PM |
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Adult supervision should be promoted as a remedy against school bullying |
DBoon |
Aug-27-11 09:26 PM |
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"Adult Supervision" often punishes the victim worse than the bully. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-27-11 09:47 PM |
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Adults are corrupt and value power over justice |
DBoon |
Aug-27-11 10:15 PM |
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Looking back, there is NO WAY teachers didn't know I was being bullied. |
Romulox |
Aug-28-11 10:13 AM |
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Damn straight. Mine were. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-11 01:14 PM |
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My 3rd Grade teacher was a verbal bully. She was a vicious b*tch. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-28-11 10:18 PM |
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Yes |
dipsydoodle |
Aug-28-11 04:14 AM |
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I was taught to defend myself and that's what I taught my kids, too - |
lynne |
Aug-28-11 10:26 AM |
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in practice i fought back and it worked, but those were different times |
pitohui |
Aug-28-11 04:41 PM |
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People are always suggesting this "solution", but ... |
surrealAmerican |
Aug-28-11 08:50 PM |
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this is a good post |
pitohui |
Aug-28-11 10:20 PM |
#127 |
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Bullies often have lackeys in tow; bullied kids to not. Defending oneself is difficult |
LeftinOH |
Aug-29-11 12:19 PM |
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It's not the obligation of the bullied to stop bullying. |
LeftyMom |
Aug-29-11 04:28 PM |
#138 |
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