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31. Those are not policies
enacted, they're simply criticisms with a lot of room for spin. For example:

"More Obama DOJ attacks on whistle-blowers"

What Greenwald and others who make the "attack on whistleblowers" claim always fail to mention is that Obama is cleaning up Bush's mess.

SEC Opens Whistle-Blower Website as Dodd-Frank Program Begins

"Environmentalists Blast Obama Mining Reversal" (April 2010)

Obama EPA Revokes Largest Mountaintop Removal Permit in US History (January 2011)

It's one thing to criticize and object to things that haven't been done, but it's another thing entirely to continue to base one's criticism on things that have long since been addressed or are in the process of being address.

Also, it's important to acknowledge the good things the administration has done (actions and policies)
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  -What are O "haters" angry about? Another "list" to ponder... Hell Hath No Fury  Aug-26-11 01:22 PM   #0 
  - I too hate the man's policies but that does not make me a hater no more that it makes me a DEMOCRAT  Vincardog   Aug-26-11 01:25 PM   #1 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-26-11 02:06 PM   #26 
  - +1  nashville_brook   Aug-26-11 03:52 PM   #50 
  - The term "hater" gets tossed out pretty casually here at DU.  elocs   Aug-26-11 09:48 PM   #133 
  - Not so much.  Major Hogwash   Aug-28-11 07:32 AM   #233 
  - It's a lazy way to discredit all arguments from a person or group.  rucky   Aug-29-11 05:41 AM   #240 
  - suppose I could compare this to apple vs pc  PatrynXX   Aug-26-11 11:14 PM   #155 
  - I'll add another...the witch hunt against the "polar bear" scientist...knr  joeybee12   Aug-26-11 01:26 PM   #2 
  - I haven't heard that one --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 01:29 PM   #4 
     - The government scientists who a few years back wrote about polar bears drowning...  joeybee12   Aug-26-11 04:22 PM   #56 
        - He was reinstated? That is so wonderful  Autumn   Aug-26-11 09:21 PM   #125 
        - You "missed that," because the reinstatement will get no coverage at all!  MsPithy   Aug-26-11 11:54 PM   #159 
        - I didn't know that.  Beacool   Aug-26-11 10:30 PM   #145 
        - Wow, that had slipped past me --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 10:45 AM   #241 
  - recced to zero. Must be something up with this. n/t  Donnachaidh   Aug-26-11 01:27 PM   #3 
  - Rec'd to +1...but will it last?  Desertrose   Aug-26-11 01:29 PM   #5 
  - Yup, you gotta get it past the two dozen or so Obama-bots and then the hits just keep coming.  mistertrickster   Aug-27-11 10:29 AM   #209 
  - +288!  Bluebear   Aug-28-11 08:53 PM   #237 
  - LOL...Now don't you feel silly? nt  Bobbie Jo   Aug-26-11 07:15 PM   #107 
  - LOL  Scurrilous   Aug-26-11 10:44 PM   #147 
  - As if the web site that had "I don't mind if Rick Perry blows up America" on the front page  Number23   Aug-26-11 11:32 PM   #158 
     - how do you know that?  SwampG8r   Aug-26-11 11:59 PM   #160 
     - He knows how many people are on the payroll to post here  cui bono   Aug-27-11 10:11 PM   #221 
        - i was serious i dont see any of those numbers  SwampG8r   Aug-28-11 11:15 AM   #234 
     - WOWl. I missed that.  bvar22   Aug-27-11 01:03 PM   #218 
  - Yeah...  Life Long Dem   Aug-27-11 11:29 AM   #213 
  - Well played. K&R  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-26-11 01:29 PM   #6 
  - Recced from 3 to 2  amyrose2712   Aug-26-11 01:31 PM   #7 
  - Rec'd to 8, now down to 7. nt  Parker CA   Aug-26-11 01:33 PM   #8 
  - This list should get as much sneering as the positive list does  treestar   Aug-26-11 01:34 PM   #9 
  - Once again, someone who chooses to --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 01:37 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 06:39 PM   #96 
  - Insult?  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Aug-26-11 10:08 PM   #138 
     - "They just choose to carp and whine..."  LooseWilly   Aug-28-11 04:22 PM   #236 
        - You did that so much better than I could have. :)  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 10:47 AM   #242 
  - Non responsive insults and snarking, so impressive  Bluenorthwest   Aug-26-11 01:49 PM   #18 
  - I had to peek to see who ignored is  Bluebear   Aug-26-11 06:14 PM   #88 
  - Who cares?  Bobbie Jo   Aug-27-11 11:11 AM   #211 
  - i am starting to really like you  SwampG8r   Aug-27-11 12:05 AM   #165 
  - It is not fine with me that O --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 10:49 AM   #243 
  - Don't you have to define IT before you fix it?  rms013   Aug-26-11 04:04 PM   #52 
  - Why do you refuse to tell us what policies you support??? Are you embarassed? nm  rhett o rick   Aug-26-11 06:52 PM   #102 
  - You're absolutely right. "Teh List" is ridiculously maligned for proposed changes  Number23   Aug-26-11 08:03 PM   #121 
  - Yes, proposals DO count --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 11:00 AM   #244 
  - we voted fo rsomeone to "fix" the things on the list in the OP  SwampG8r   Aug-27-11 12:01 AM   #162 
  - FFS  treestar   Aug-27-11 12:43 AM   #169 
     - An actual attempt, however slight, would be a vast improvement over complete  cui bono   Aug-27-11 10:19 PM   #224 
     - He is the Leader of the country and the Democratic Party.  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 11:22 AM   #245 
  - Which policies do you support or are you ashamed to tell us? nm  rhett o rick   Aug-27-11 08:51 AM   #204 
  - Criticism is not whining and it is exactly the way to change things in a representative govt.  cui bono   Aug-27-11 10:13 PM   #222 
     - Indeed.  Bluebear   Aug-28-11 03:52 AM   #229 
  - Would you take the time to propose alternatives for each one?  Amonester   Aug-26-11 01:35 PM   #10 
  - generally, that's what we elect Democrats to do  nashville_brook   Aug-26-11 03:50 PM   #49 
  - Oh SNAP! Excellent riposte! n/t  Pooka Fey   Aug-27-11 06:38 AM   #194 
  - Shouldn't you already know the alternative for each one  Confusious   Aug-26-11 06:02 PM   #85 
  - No, That's exactly why many here should be able to examine...  Amonester   Aug-26-11 06:11 PM   #86 
     - If progressive ranting wasn't turning public opinion against Obama you wouldn't be here, would you?  Divernan   Aug-26-11 06:43 PM   #98 
     - No. I'd be here. I like it here.  Amonester   Aug-26-11 06:58 PM   #104 
     - I would also trust him to say no to war on Iran.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-27-11 01:51 AM   #172 
     - Really? You think it's just the ranting and not the policies and capitulation the ranting is about?  cui bono   Aug-27-11 10:25 PM   #225 
     - One thing here, as Glenn Greenwald points out  truedelphi   Aug-27-11 02:09 AM   #174 
        - I know that, and I read that thread.  Amonester   Aug-27-11 03:24 AM   #183 
           - Am going to check out the link you provided.  truedelphi   Aug-28-11 03:52 PM   #235 
  - Which one first?  grahamhgreen   Aug-26-11 09:36 PM   #129 
  - This? (link to downthread)  Amonester   Aug-26-11 11:26 PM   #156 
  - That "hard part" of finding solutions wouldn't be so difficult if the  truedelphi   Aug-27-11 01:19 AM   #170 
  - To watch so much criminal activity be willfully ignored -  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 11:49 AM   #247 
  - +  Bluebear   Aug-29-11 04:37 PM   #272 
  - That's actually the EASY part.  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 11:42 AM   #246 
  - Perhaps you should update your bookmarks.  Robb   Aug-26-11 01:38 PM   #12 
  - Did they not withdraw it?  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 01:43 PM   #15 
  - Hardly. Perhaps we don't agree on a definition for "buttload."  Robb   Aug-26-11 01:47 PM   #17 
     - As someone who works in an industry -  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 01:56 PM   #22 
     - Obama's OSHA proposes to restore an injury tracking tool Bush took away...  Robb   Aug-26-11 02:10 PM   #27 
        - "I hope the rest of the list is better"  Occulus   Aug-26-11 09:44 PM   #132 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 05:01 PM   #65 
  - Exactly! n/t  ProSense   Aug-26-11 02:24 PM   #32 
  - Link?  Fuddnik   Aug-26-11 05:03 PM   #66 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 06:50 PM   #99 
  - AMEN!! They are thin because of them not being policy decisions. It was BUSH who pushed no down pay  uponit7771   Aug-27-11 08:17 AM   #203 
     - Oabam has had every opportunity to change directions --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 11:56 AM   #248 
  - There's a pretty long list of his positive accomplishments, too.  classof56   Aug-26-11 01:38 PM   #13 
  - "...he's an evil socialist determined to turn our country socialistic."  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 01:46 PM   #16 
  - "It will cost my vote."  Kaleko   Aug-26-11 02:57 PM   #39 
  - Well, that's what they tell me.  classof56   Aug-26-11 03:26 PM   #40 
  - your local RW radio station sold club gitmo t-shirts for limbaugh. where were you?  certainot   Aug-26-11 06:51 PM   #100 
     - Well said..  neoconn   Aug-26-11 10:58 PM   #150 
     - Where was Obama. Putting Bush and Cheney on trial.  SharksBreath   Aug-27-11 07:44 AM   #200 
     - sure i'd like to see it too, but that would mean civil war in this country because  certainot   Aug-27-11 04:34 PM   #219 
     - "Where were you"?  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 12:14 PM   #249 
  - Dwelling on the positive is frowned upon here. n/t  Scurrilous   Aug-26-11 01:50 PM   #19 
  - "Dwelling on the positive" -  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 01:53 PM   #20 
  - I prefer to dwell *in* reality.  muffin1   Aug-26-11 01:59 PM   #24 
  - that's a pretty huge concession and a step away from a health sense of accountability  Supersedeas   Aug-26-11 04:32 PM   #59 
  - not really, let me give you an example  hfojvt   Aug-26-11 05:14 PM   #71 
     - well said, hf, great great post...  Supersedeas   Aug-26-11 07:01 PM   #105 
  - Matter of scale  blindpig   Aug-29-11 03:52 PM   #271 
  - Why so hard to stand for something?  highprincipleswork   Aug-26-11 03:45 PM   #48 
  - Thank you  Bluebear   Aug-26-11 06:17 PM   #90 
  - and that is what happened in 2010  SwampG8r   Aug-27-11 12:19 AM   #167 
  - "...high principles work".  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 12:25 PM   #250 
  - things done by congress don't count as Obama's "accomplishments".  provis99   Aug-26-11 04:55 PM   #63 
  - Nancy Pelosi has done the heavy lifting  tblue   Aug-26-11 05:33 PM   #77 
  - Well, thanks for setting me straight.  classof56   Aug-26-11 08:02 PM   #120 
  - Name one in which corporations suffered  Bluesbreaker   Aug-27-11 03:10 AM   #179 
     - Haven't seen Inside Job yet, but I know what it's about.  classof56   Aug-27-11 10:05 AM   #207 
        - My Mom is 78 -  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 12:33 PM   #253 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 01:43 PM   #14 
  - Bkmrkd . K & R. nt  snagglepuss   Aug-26-11 01:55 PM   #21 
  - K&R n/t  muffin1   Aug-26-11 01:58 PM   #23 
  - How about your bookmarked list of accomplishments?  chowder66   Aug-26-11 02:04 PM   #25 
  - I am very familiar with the other "list" --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 02:29 PM   #33 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-26-11 02:10 PM   #28 
  - You never really loved him  Aerows   Aug-26-11 02:17 PM   #29 
  - But it's all 23-dimensional chess, isn't it? nt  valerief   Aug-26-11 02:20 PM   #30 
  - 24-dimensional.  laconicsax   Aug-26-11 02:37 PM   #34 
  - Those are not policies  ProSense   Aug-26-11 02:22 PM   #31 
  - On cleaning up Bush's mess -  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 02:44 PM   #35 
  - Hmmm?  ProSense   Aug-26-11 02:54 PM   #37 
  - Oh god- like The List isn't a collection of spin.  Marr   Aug-26-11 06:00 PM   #84 
  - You choose whistleblowers to defend Obama? Really?! Wow ...  KelleyKramer   Aug-26-11 09:50 PM   #134 
     - "I can no longer sit silent ..."  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 12:47 PM   #254 
  - I'll be voting for him next year, but I'm very disappointed by things like the attack on med. pot.  Warren DeMontague   Aug-26-11 02:47 PM   #36 
  - That was one of the more truly stupid things --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-26-11 02:55 PM   #38 
  - So...is Obama personally going after medical pot? nt  Honeycombe8   Aug-26-11 03:29 PM   #43 
  - Yes.  Warren DeMontague   Aug-26-11 03:42 PM   #47 
  - Under his administration --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 12:51 PM   #255 
  - So POT is the key issue we need to be voting on in 2012??  JoePhilly   Aug-26-11 03:31 PM   #45 
     - Reading comprehension problems?  Warren DeMontague   Aug-26-11 03:42 PM   #46 
     - I have 2 nephews who ended up in jail over pot, coke, and illegal guns.  JoePhilly   Aug-26-11 03:55 PM   #51 
        - legalize it, regulate it, and tax it. Otherwise, you are "fine" with spending $40 Billion a year to  Warren DeMontague   Aug-26-11 04:26 PM   #57 
        - I did not conflate any issues ... I described actual events.  JoePhilly   Aug-26-11 04:54 PM   #62 
        - Cost and legality are irrevocably linked.  Warren DeMontague   Aug-26-11 05:33 PM   #78 
        - However the growing of hemp, now verboten would  Angry Dragon   Aug-26-11 10:05 PM   #137 
        - Actually, Obama and/or Holder could change our nation's mmj policy w/out Congress  Fly by night   Aug-26-11 07:18 PM   #108 
           - I agree  Warren DeMontague   Aug-28-11 04:10 AM   #230 
        - So when will it be time? We are always being told 'this is not the time'  sabrina 1   Aug-26-11 07:23 PM   #109 
        - These are not separate issues.  girl gone mad   Aug-27-11 01:46 AM   #171 
     - It demonstrates where the priorities lie.  Enthusiast   Aug-26-11 05:04 PM   #67 
  - Dude, you definitely need to get a life. Holes in the visitor's log? Seriously?  Honeycombe8   Aug-26-11 03:28 PM   #41 
  - Very well put!  polmaven   Aug-26-11 04:19 PM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 04:57 PM   #64 
  - Hear Hear!  kurtzapril4   Aug-26-11 05:40 PM   #82 
  - "Your post could be posted on a right wing nut site"  Number23   Aug-26-11 08:12 PM   #122 
  - The folks on the right aren't upset about #1. (nt)  jeff47   Aug-26-11 10:05 PM   #136 
  - Nope, that is mine --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:09 PM   #257 
  - There are plenty of other people willing to post "the List" of "accomplishments".  jeff47   Aug-26-11 10:04 PM   #135 
  - Dude, "holes in the visitors log" --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:04 PM   #256 
  - That's quite a list, and it does not even mention putting SS and Medicare up to be cut.  woo me with science   Aug-26-11 03:28 PM   #42 
  - Yes, that is a HUGE one --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:11 PM   #258 
  - The environment is my "pony." I see you posted some negative env. articles, BUT...  Honeycombe8   Aug-26-11 03:30 PM   #44 
  - environmentalists, themselves, keep more and more upset with Obama:  amborin   Aug-26-11 05:09 PM   #69 
  - Right there with you!  bhikkhu   Aug-26-11 06:31 PM   #94 
  - Your "pony" is being seriously fucked over --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:18 PM   #259 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Aug-26-11 04:11 PM   #53 
  - kr and Mr. Arar, Honduran coup, etc....  amborin   Aug-26-11 04:13 PM   #54 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 09:18 PM   #124 
  - Yup --  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:20 PM   #260 
  - see now, some of that stuff seems ridiculous  hfojvt   Aug-26-11 04:30 PM   #58 
  - Really? You're thrilled that in this time of budget cuts, we've got tons of resources  Warren DeMontague   Aug-26-11 05:35 PM   #79 
  - are those the only two options?  hfojvt   Aug-26-11 09:43 PM   #131 
     - If you don't give a shit  Warren DeMontague   Aug-28-11 04:11 AM   #231 
  - "I am supposed to get all upset about Obama trying to kill Al-Alaqui?"  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:24 PM   #261 
  - What we are getting from him is little different that what...  Frisbee   Aug-26-11 04:36 PM   #60 
  - NO ONE is saying mccain would have been better  comtec   Aug-26-11 07:33 PM   #113 
  - Yer a dang fringie!  Enthusiast   Aug-26-11 04:47 PM   #61 
  - I was a member of the Finge Folk back in the W days!  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:27 PM   #262 
  - List looks like a good start :D K&R  pam4water   Aug-26-11 05:07 PM   #68 
  - Shit!  nineteen50   Aug-26-11 05:10 PM   #70 
  - Breathtaking. Thanks for your hard and thorough work. nt  MannyGoldstein   Aug-26-11 05:14 PM   #72 
  - Like I said, this was just what I had bookmarked.  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:28 PM   #263 
  - That is one hell of a list from hell.  nc4bo   Aug-26-11 05:19 PM   #73 
  - You put a lot of work into this post Hell Hath No Fury, thank you.  Just-plain-Kathy   Aug-26-11 05:20 PM   #74 
  - That's what kills me.  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:31 PM   #264 
  - Lifted the ban on Offshore Drilling  sabrina 1   Aug-26-11 05:29 PM   #75 
  - I don't hate him  Ferricadouzer   Aug-26-11 05:32 PM   #76 
  - HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!  WillyT   Aug-26-11 05:35 PM   #80 
  - You're welcome!  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:33 PM   #265 
  - The really annoying thing is that not more than 10% of them can POSSIBLY be attributed the right  saras   Aug-26-11 05:40 PM   #81 
  - yep, and see this piece:  spooked911   Aug-26-11 06:39 PM   #97 
     - also this: Obama is NOT “Caving” to Corporate Interests  spooked911   Aug-27-11 09:34 AM   #206 
  - This bunny strenuously opposed every one junior's ruinous RW initiatives just as he has strenuously  indepat   Aug-26-11 05:46 PM   #83 
  - Amen!  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 01:35 PM   #266 
  - k/r I don't hate him just  emilyg   Aug-26-11 06:12 PM   #87 
  - Oh please. 4 out of 5 liberals agree...  leeroysphitz   Aug-26-11 06:14 PM   #89 
  - Most of those are either misconstrued, or have reasonable explanations  bhikkhu   Aug-26-11 06:27 PM   #91 
  - What's going on?  senseandsensibility   Aug-26-11 06:31 PM   #95 
     - The number of times i've tried to make a reasonable reply on the other side...  comtec   Aug-26-11 07:45 PM   #114 
        - I agree, but I was complimenting someone who appeared to  senseandsensibility   Aug-26-11 09:28 PM   #126 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-11 03:28 AM   #184 
  - Agricultural Policy Is a Dealbreaker For Me  NashVegas   Aug-26-11 06:28 PM   #92 
  - Wow! To see it all in one place is infuriating...  Kermitt Gribble   Aug-26-11 06:29 PM   #93 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Aug-26-11 06:51 PM   #101 
  - keep in mind, this is definitely a partial list, but it indicates a huge systemic problem  spooked911   Aug-26-11 06:58 PM   #103 
  - Not a hater. Just someone who thought they voted for a Democratic President.  cui bono   Aug-26-11 07:12 PM   #106 
  - Fooled again  peace frog   Aug-26-11 07:24 PM   #110 
     - Same ol' horse.....  Raster   Aug-26-11 07:27 PM   #111 
     - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice....  cui bono   Aug-27-11 10:07 PM   #220 
  - The Obama Scandal list is much bigger  TMED   Aug-26-11 07:33 PM   #112 
  - I think most of us dislike many of Obama's policies  Z_California   Aug-26-11 07:53 PM   #115 
  - + 330 000 000 "Our anger should be directed in a  Amonester   Aug-26-11 11:12 PM   #154 
  - thank you for your research  sasha031   Aug-26-11 07:57 PM   #116 
  - Damn.  LWolf   Aug-26-11 08:00 PM   #117 
  - I hate corporatism... either party  upi402   Aug-26-11 08:01 PM   #118 
  - +1 (nt)  rbnyc   Aug-26-11 10:59 PM   #151 
  - Send this list to him. Let him know you're aware. nt  gateley   Aug-26-11 08:02 PM   #119 
  - I heard an Obama official talking about responding to worker slavery in agriculture...  bread_and_roses   Aug-26-11 08:17 PM   #123 
  - Classic neo-lib. Decriminalize slavery and let consumers chose which slaves to exploit. -nt  scentopine   Aug-26-11 10:15 PM   #141 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 09:31 PM   #127 
  - Oops! Accidental unrec!  grahamhgreen   Aug-26-11 09:34 PM   #128 
  - K&R....my, that's a heavy and ponderous list....n/t  unkachuck   Aug-26-11 09:39 PM   #130 
  - K&R.  William769   Aug-26-11 10:11 PM   #139 
  - Woop.  WilliamPitt   Aug-26-11 10:14 PM   #140 
  - I have a right of right wing brother who says he doesn't HATE O.  VPStoltz   Aug-26-11 10:20 PM   #142 
  - "O is just like their kind except for one thing."  ProSense   Aug-26-11 10:26 PM   #144 
  - Here's another list:  ProSense   Aug-26-11 10:24 PM   #143 
  - His greatest enviro act? Decriminalizing dumping 200 million gallons of oil into gulf of mexico -nt  scentopine   Aug-26-11 10:47 PM   #148 
  - Well, now...  chervilant   Aug-26-11 11:32 PM   #157 
  - K&R  raouldukelives   Aug-26-11 10:40 PM   #146 
  - Thank you for this. n/t  LadyHawkAZ   Aug-26-11 10:52 PM   #149 
  - His policies have been a massive corporate wet dream...  CoffeeCat   Aug-26-11 11:03 PM   #152 
  - Well and good. However,  madamesilverspurs   Aug-26-11 11:11 PM   #153 
  - Thanks!  blackspade   Aug-27-11 12:00 AM   #161 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-11 12:02 AM   #163 
  - ^^^ Can I do that? ^^^  Iggo   Aug-27-11 12:17 AM   #166 
  - K&R (n/t)  a2liberal   Aug-27-11 12:05 AM   #164 
  - Reminds me of this libertarian I know  cheapdate   Aug-27-11 12:19 AM   #168 
  - But, But, Its just 11 D chess  DiverDave   Aug-27-11 02:03 AM   #173 
  - I wonder what this list would have looked like under President McCain?  Bolo Boffin   Aug-27-11 02:20 AM   #175 
  - You want to discuss Obama and Yoo?  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 03:07 AM   #178 
  - President Obama has made two Supreme Court nominations.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-27-11 05:13 AM   #188 
  - Obama lawyers DEFENDED YOO FROM TORTURE PROSECUTION.  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 05:32 AM   #189 
     - President Obama will NEVER NOMINATE YOO TO THE SUPREME COURT.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-27-11 05:41 AM   #191 
        - Present why Obama defends torturers. Complicit.  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 06:11 AM   #193 
           - And President McCain would have been different? Ha.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-27-11 07:23 AM   #199 
  - Also, I'd like to discuss what President McCain would have done for John Yoo.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-27-11 05:56 AM   #192 
  - Moot argument. Yoo would have never made it past the Senate. n/t  Exilednight   Aug-27-11 11:45 AM   #215 
     - You don't know that. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Aug-28-11 12:11 AM   #227 
        - Sure I do. Common sense tells us that he would never make it. n/t  Exilednight   Aug-28-11 07:11 AM   #232 
           - Well, there's no arguing with common sense, is there? n/t  Bolo Boffin   Aug-29-11 12:37 AM   #238 
              - It is when the only tea partiers hate just slightly less than Obama is anyone left  Exilednight   Aug-29-11 05:30 AM   #239 
  - Thank you very much......President Perry  Maraya1969   Aug-27-11 03:02 AM   #176 
  - So very very weak  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 03:06 AM   #177 
  - It's sad and pathetic when all you've got left to argue is FEAR  _ed_   Aug-27-11 11:06 AM   #210 
  - There you go "looking back" again: How do you expect to "Win The Future!"  blkmusclmachine   Aug-27-11 03:12 AM   #180 
  - Has an I watch too much TV moment and wants to go off and a few episodes of The Big-O XD  pam4water   Aug-27-11 03:13 AM   #181 
  - The sad part is the many bad things he did all by himself  Bluesbreaker   Aug-27-11 03:22 AM   #182 
  - I have been trying to make that point to the Obama apologists  Vattel   Aug-27-11 04:36 AM   #186 
  - Deaf ears?  chervilant   Aug-27-11 11:36 AM   #214 
  - This is core problem  Harmony Blue   Aug-27-11 09:12 AM   #205 
  - k/r  obxhead   Aug-27-11 04:24 AM   #185 
  - I'm not too keen on such lists.  Vattel   Aug-27-11 04:58 AM   #187 
  - Which ones do you agree with?  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 05:33 AM   #190 
  - RIGHT!!! There's no POLICY arguments here just a laundry list of shit the FBI or someone else has do  uponit7771   Aug-27-11 08:16 AM   #202 
  - "...some of the items I agree with, others I think, 'That's bullshit,'..."  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 02:22 PM   #267 
  - He won the Nobel Peace prize  pettypace   Aug-27-11 06:42 AM   #195 
  - That if nothing else merits a second term" - why?  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 06:47 AM   #197 
  - Why?  Bluebear   Aug-27-11 10:13 PM   #223 
     - I was being facetious  pettypace   Aug-27-11 11:01 PM   #226 
        - ....  Bluebear   Aug-28-11 01:12 AM   #228 
  - Wow, what an amazing job you've done! Great work!  Pooka Fey   Aug-27-11 06:43 AM   #196 
  - Rec #243  MissDeeds   Aug-27-11 07:15 AM   #198 
  - Could you list the things Obama has done via policy, thx  uponit7771   Aug-27-11 08:15 AM   #201 
  - K, R, & bookmarked!  Lucian   Aug-27-11 10:09 AM   #208 
  - Undeniable  colsohlibgal   Aug-27-11 11:16 AM   #212 
  - He is bought and paid for by  femrap   Aug-27-11 12:18 PM   #216 
  - What people think about Obama  sulphurdunn   Aug-27-11 12:27 PM   #217 
  - Failed to sign Ottawa Treaty.  retread   Aug-29-11 12:26 PM   #251 
  - Shooting the messenger has become an epidemic. We should all realize  Chimichurri   Aug-29-11 12:30 PM   #252 
  - "...aim our fire where it belongs. To ANY politician doing us wrong."  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 02:40 PM   #269 
  - Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-29-11 02:32 PM   #268 
  - Many of these (if not most/all) have been debunked. They were one persons opinion at one time nt  stevenleser   Aug-29-11 03:37 PM   #270 
  - GITMO still being open is not an "opinion".  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-29-11 04:41 PM   #273 
     - Regarding Gitmo, it is also true that Obama tried to close it and shift the prisoners to the US and  stevenleser   Aug-30-11 10:35 AM   #275 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-11 04:01 AM   #274 
 

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