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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 05:17 PM
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28. To quote the Big Dog, "I feel your pain"
I vehemently dislike having been reduced to a partisan hack. In times past, I would have seen a move like Trumka's as admirable.

But the consequences of another repuke presidency like the last one -- or worse -- especially with them in control of at least the House as well, are simply too frightening to contemplate.
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  -I stand with labor. If the AFL-CIO does not endorse Obama in 2012 Robb  Aug-25-11 04:09 PM   #0 
  - I'm pretty sure labor will endorse they just won't put boots on the ground or  Luminous Animal   Aug-25-11 04:11 PM   #1 
  - After calling Obama, effectively, a Tea Bagger, you think they'll endorse him?  MannyGoldstein   Aug-25-11 04:51 PM   #21 
     - Of course they'll endorse him.  Robb   Aug-25-11 07:44 PM   #53 
     - "Obama's a Teabagger, but vote for him"  MannyGoldstein   Aug-25-11 08:19 PM   #69 
        - So I'll put you down for a "I'll likely" stand with labor.  Robb   Aug-25-11 08:21 PM   #70 
        - Do you want an oath of fealty?  MannyGoldstein   Aug-25-11 09:26 PM   #77 
     - President Obama is NOT a tea-bagger!  trueblue2007   Aug-25-11 08:23 PM   #71 
     - could have fooled me.  roguevalley   Aug-25-11 08:55 PM   #75 
        - Probably all that time he spent demanding to see his own birth certificate  JoePhilly   Aug-26-11 12:39 PM   #106 
     - I agree. As for the OP, I'll vote with and for Labor because I am Labor,  SusanaMontana41   Aug-25-11 09:40 PM   #79 
  - they will endorse him and they will work for him...  WI_DEM   Aug-25-11 04:11 PM   #2 
  - look at the alternative  tartan2   Aug-26-11 12:27 PM   #101 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-25-11 04:12 PM   #3 
  - What if the OP is voting with Labor, because he/she BELIEVES in, and supports labor?  demwing   Aug-25-11 04:18 PM   #11 
  - scornbot lol  SwampG8r   Aug-26-11 10:10 AM   #90 
  - robcon, why are you a Democrat?  JDPriestly   Aug-25-11 04:21 PM   #13 
  - Conservative ones.  Zhade   Aug-25-11 05:26 PM   #35 
  - so quick with the name calling  leftyohiolib   Aug-25-11 05:08 PM   #24 
  - Who said the OP wasn't going to vote!?  Rex   Aug-25-11 05:38 PM   #43 
  - I have no doubt they will endorse him  LynneSin   Aug-25-11 04:12 PM   #4 
  - If you think this is about an endorsement or voting for him you  Bluenorthwest   Aug-26-11 12:57 PM   #111 
  - The AFL-CIO might. Individual unions might not.  Brickbat   Aug-25-11 04:14 PM   #5 
  - The AFGE is part of the AFL-CIO  Creideiki   Aug-25-11 07:52 PM   #60 
  - So you're cool with President Perry?  KamaAina   Aug-25-11 04:14 PM   #6 
  - Right on cue with the scare tactics n/t  markpkessinger   Aug-25-11 04:40 PM   #18 
  - I always carry more rocks after a thorough beating. nt  sudopod   Aug-25-11 05:21 PM   #33 
  - isn't it disgusting?  mod mom   Aug-26-11 01:55 PM   #118 
  - This is all you have?  RetroLounge   Aug-25-11 05:08 PM   #23 
  - isnt it enuff  leftyohiolib   Aug-25-11 05:13 PM   #26 
  - To quote the Big Dog, "I feel your pain"  KamaAina   Aug-25-11 05:17 PM   #28 
  - So we drive off the cliff at 10mph instead of 90mph?  RetroLounge   Aug-25-11 05:22 PM   #34 
  - If you drive off the cliff going 10,  KamaAina   Aug-25-11 05:32 PM   #40 
     - If it's a cliff it won't make much difference.  markpkessinger   Aug-25-11 09:38 PM   #78 
  - I find your honesty in admitting you've chosen party over principle refreshing.  Zhade   Aug-25-11 05:29 PM   #38 
  - How would you propose to move the Dem party back to the left?  KamaAina   Aug-25-11 05:33 PM   #41 
     - I propose punishing Dems who DON'T move back to the left, by withholding my vote.  LooseWilly   Aug-25-11 05:49 PM   #49 
     - That won't do jack shit unless you come up with a positive alternative.  Telly Savalas   Aug-25-11 09:55 PM   #80 
     - We simply never had the resources to do that in the confines of our system.  Selatius   Aug-25-11 07:56 PM   #62 
     - enabling those moving it to the right will  SwampG8r   Aug-26-11 10:14 AM   #93 
  - at least you can admit it  SwampG8r   Aug-26-11 10:13 AM   #92 
  - So where's the big difference?  blindpig   Aug-26-11 01:32 PM   #116 
  - All? Reality is not optional.  treestar   Aug-26-11 01:07 PM   #114 
     - Reality?  RetroLounge   Aug-26-11 08:44 PM   #131 
        - Laugh all you want  treestar   Aug-27-11 12:45 AM   #133 
           - ...  RetroLounge   Aug-27-11 08:22 AM   #139 
  - yawn. Same old crap with every single person who reflects about  roguevalley   Aug-25-11 09:00 PM   #76 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-26-11 08:34 AM   #81 
  - I've decided to just put every single one of you using this tired argument on ignore  Marrah_G   Aug-26-11 08:54 AM   #86 
  - I put three of them on ignore this morning already.  Joe Fields   Aug-26-11 10:08 AM   #89 
  - Great idea. They are bullies. nm  rhett o rick   Aug-26-11 03:57 PM   #129 
     - "They" are bullies?  Bobbie Jo   Aug-28-11 10:27 AM   #152 
        - Yes. Not once will they discuss issues but only threaten that if we dont vote their way  rhett o rick   Aug-28-11 12:00 PM   #153 
           - It's not a threat to say if Democrats don't vote for Obama then Perry will win. It's simple math.  scheming daemons   Aug-28-11 02:20 PM   #162 
              - So you will vote for Obama regardless of his stand on issues? You are ok with not prosecuting  rhett o rick   Aug-28-11 03:52 PM   #167 
                 - Every vote is a choice between the candidates on the ballot. I'll pick the best one.  scheming daemons   Aug-28-11 08:19 PM   #173 
                 - And also... doesn't matter if I am "ok" with those things. The choice I'll have is Obama or GOP.  scheming daemons   Aug-28-11 08:20 PM   #174 
                    - The system is rigged. Our corp-overlords have us where they want us.  rhett o rick   Aug-29-11 09:33 AM   #175 
                    - Obama will not win in such a situation  Mr Deltoid   Aug-29-11 10:20 AM   #177 
  - I did that a LONG time ago.  Occulus   Aug-28-11 09:47 AM   #147 
  - I smell a bully. "Vote for our guy or you will be punished with a Bush". nm  rhett o rick   Aug-26-11 03:57 PM   #128 
  - If I said to you "If you don't use an umbrella in the rain, you'll get wet"... would I be bullying?  scheming daemons   Aug-28-11 02:25 PM   #163 
     - It is bullying if you say that those that dont vote for Obama are responsible for the election of  rhett o rick   Aug-28-11 03:32 PM   #164 
        - If Obama loses it will be his own damn fault  Mr Deltoid   Aug-29-11 10:24 AM   #178 
  - I'm going to put you on ignore.  Occulus   Aug-28-11 09:50 AM   #149 
  - They will vote union busting Republican? Right! n/t  Sheepshank   Aug-25-11 04:16 PM   #7 
  - You mean Obama? nt  joeybee12   Aug-25-11 04:18 PM   #9 
  - "THERE'S NOT A DIME'S WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN......"  pnorman   Aug-25-11 06:47 PM   #51 
  - Endorsing and voting are two different things. Unions are not compelled to endorse  Luminous Animal   Aug-25-11 04:22 PM   #14 
  - no maybe put up a labor candidate  leftyohiolib   Aug-25-11 05:20 PM   #31 
  - Define "support"  Ohio Joe   Aug-25-11 04:16 PM   #8 
  - IBTL  NNN0LHI   Aug-25-11 04:18 PM   #10 
  - My reading of the AFL-CIO's press release  gratuitous   Aug-25-11 04:21 PM   #12 
  - They are about to do, from my read, what they should have  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-25-11 04:42 PM   #19 
  - This is long over due! Make candidates earn the labor vote. It..  Little Star   Aug-26-11 08:39 AM   #84 
  - Sweeney did this every four years.  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:23 PM   #100 
  - They need to form a Labor Party.  Occulus   Aug-28-11 09:49 AM   #148 
  - Would you leave DU if Obama was the nominee in that case?  CakeGrrl   Aug-25-11 04:24 PM   #15 
  - They'll endose, but there will be some serious backroom negotiations.  Xithras   Aug-25-11 04:25 PM   #16 
  - Exactly correct. (nt)  Robb   Aug-25-11 07:46 PM   #54 
  - What if the other labor organizations that pulled out the AFL-CIO  Ikonoklast   Aug-25-11 04:39 PM   #17 
  - UBC and UNITE-HERE left CTW. Laborers are rejoining AFL-CIO.  Robb   Aug-25-11 04:46 PM   #20 
  - So, let me get this straight: A DU mod WILL NOT VOTE FOR the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT  MagickMuffin   Aug-25-11 05:04 PM   #22 
  - So, let me get this straight  RetroLounge   Aug-25-11 05:09 PM   #25 
  - The anti-Obama DUERS "think" that yes they do  MagickMuffin   Aug-25-11 05:29 PM   #37 
  - It's a piss-poor argument, isn't it?  Lucian   Aug-25-11 05:40 PM   #45 
     - Answer this for your argument  MagickMuffin   Aug-25-11 05:47 PM   #47 
        - Let me know when you get an answer! A bunch of us have asked that question  Number23   Aug-25-11 07:47 PM   #56 
  - "A DU mod WILL NOT VOTE FOR the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT"?  Tarheel_Dem   Aug-25-11 05:14 PM   #27 
  - Yep, this place has really become unbearable at times  MagickMuffin   Aug-25-11 05:32 PM   #39 
  - Liebermann?  _ed_   Aug-26-11 08:35 AM   #82 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 10:19 AM   #94 
  - maybe a majority of people really need to suffer hard to get it thru their heads  leftyohiolib   Aug-25-11 05:17 PM   #29 
  - My state has suffered enough since bush and perry has taken over  MagickMuffin   Aug-25-11 05:35 PM   #42 
     - it isnt to prove a point  leftyohiolib   Aug-25-11 05:57 PM   #50 
        - A profoundly *bad* idea.  Robb   Aug-25-11 07:47 PM   #55 
           - I wouldn't say it's a bad idea. It may actually be the course of history the US will take.  Selatius   Aug-25-11 08:07 PM   #66 
           - Name one example in history where the population intentionally hastened their own oppression.  Robb   Aug-25-11 08:10 PM   #67 
              - There exists none debatably, but I do not believe that was the solution the other person meant.  Selatius   Aug-25-11 08:35 PM   #74 
                 - It's an interesting notion, but it's not accurate to single out the US.  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:34 PM   #103 
           - your opinion but  leftyohiolib   Aug-26-11 10:06 AM   #88 
              - So you think Americans are addicted to what, eating?  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:18 PM   #97 
  - I do not believe you have it straight, actually.  Robb   Aug-25-11 07:52 PM   #59 
  - Liebermann?  _ed_   Aug-26-11 08:36 AM   #83 
  - Lieberman's been Independent since 2007. (nt)  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:43 PM   #107 
  - So what?  _ed_   Aug-26-11 03:37 PM   #126 
  - You are WRONG, Lieberman left the Democratic Party  MagickMuffin   Aug-26-11 01:57 PM   #119 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-11 03:36 PM   #125 
  - Welcome to my ignore list.  Occulus   Aug-28-11 09:53 AM   #150 
  - Surprisingly, it seems this part needs saying:  Robb   Aug-25-11 05:18 PM   #30 
  - The Teamsters  Worried senior   Aug-25-11 05:21 PM   #32 
  - Hell, it was worse than that! They endorsed Nixon in 1972.  Major Hogwash   Aug-26-11 02:24 PM   #121 
     - Meany had the AFL-CIO sit on its hands in '72 as well.  Robb   Aug-26-11 02:59 PM   #123 
  - I disagree.  Joe Fields   Aug-26-11 10:23 AM   #95 
     - I'm sure DU's union members will be delighted to hear this.  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:29 PM   #102 
     - I'm a union member of nearly fifteen years  Occulus   Aug-28-11 09:58 AM   #151 
     - If you've already made that decision, then why hang around here anymore?  Major Hogwash   Aug-26-11 03:14 PM   #124 
  - He may get their endorsement. But, it may be a case of "Damn with faint praise."  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-25-11 05:28 PM   #36 
  - I will stand with labor also.  Lucian   Aug-25-11 05:39 PM   #44 
  - well if the republicans win we won't have to worry about unions at all  spanone   Aug-25-11 05:43 PM   #46 
  - If the Republican win the Unions will grow stronger  ThomWV   Aug-25-11 07:53 PM   #61 
  - Solidarity with Labor. nt  TBF   Aug-25-11 05:48 PM   #48 
  - K&R for labor unions  amborin   Aug-25-11 07:39 PM   #52 
  - So what you are saying is that you don't think for yourself.  Throd   Aug-25-11 07:47 PM   #57 
  - What a horseshit thing to say. Who are you, the keeper of all wisdom who relies on no one?  ThomWV   Aug-25-11 07:51 PM   #58 
  - Who says you have to base your vote on what any person or group says?  Throd   Aug-25-11 07:57 PM   #63 
     - Well mine is certainly not based on you  RetroLounge   Aug-25-11 08:18 PM   #68 
  - Exactly!  treestar   Aug-26-11 01:07 PM   #113 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   Aug-25-11 07:58 PM   #64 
  - I stand with the working men and women of this country  MissDeeds   Aug-25-11 08:03 PM   #65 
  - SOLIDARITY!  shanti   Aug-25-11 08:24 PM   #72 
  - I'll still hold my nose and vote for him  Lunabelle   Aug-25-11 08:32 PM   #73 
  - A skunk is still a skunk, no matter how it's dressed up.  Joe Fields   Aug-26-11 10:24 AM   #96 
  - Labor is going to force Obama to shit or get off the pot.  olegramps   Aug-26-11 08:42 AM   #85 
  - good luck,  mitchtv   Aug-28-11 01:31 PM   #160 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Aug-26-11 10:02 AM   #87 
  - I'm afraid the fear of President Perry pushes the Democratic Party to the right  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-26-11 10:13 AM   #91 
  - What if labor endorsed a teabagger?  Shagbark Hickory   Aug-26-11 12:20 PM   #98 
  - What if they endorsed a squirrel?  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:21 PM   #99 
     - SO, Moderator- Construction Unions support building Walmarts in NYC. Teamster Unions support drillin  KittyWampus   Aug-26-11 12:36 PM   #104 
        - The OP is quite clear.  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:39 PM   #105 
        - pssst -- he's on your side -- read the thread. nt  xchrom   Aug-26-11 12:44 PM   #109 
  - I stand with actual laborers whether or not  LWolf   Aug-26-11 12:44 PM   #108 
  - So you'll "stand with actual laborers" but not their unions?  Robb   Aug-26-11 12:47 PM   #110 
     - Nope.  LWolf   Aug-26-11 12:58 PM   #112 
        - "Solidarity! ... Unless I know better!"  Robb   Aug-26-11 01:20 PM   #115 
           -'s solidarity with those who earn it. nt  LWolf   Aug-26-11 07:32 PM   #130 
              - How can you possibly claim to support the union movement?  Robb   Aug-27-11 07:46 AM   #136 
                 - I didn't exclude anyone except  LWolf   Aug-27-11 08:28 AM   #140 
                    - If you see unions as mere bureaucracies, I don't think you're supportive of them.  Robb   Aug-27-11 08:35 AM   #141 
                       - The movement is the people.  LWolf   Aug-27-11 08:52 AM   #143 
                          - Sorry, but conditional solidarity is not solidarity.  Robb   Aug-27-11 11:34 AM   #145 
                             - Sorry, but refusal  LWolf   Aug-28-11 09:05 AM   #146 
                                - Again, if you don't think unions advance the cause of labor, you don't support the union movement.  Robb   Aug-28-11 12:24 PM   #154 
                                   - Don't put words in my mouth, or try to read my mind.  LWolf   Aug-28-11 12:48 PM   #155 
                                      - Unions select their own leadership. And we vote a lot.  Robb   Aug-28-11 12:50 PM   #156 
                                         - Are you trying to purge union members who aren't sheep?  LWolf   Aug-28-11 01:26 PM   #158 
                                            - Wow. Solidarity with unions makes one a sheep?  Robb   Aug-28-11 02:10 PM   #161 
                                               - Following leadership blindly, without holding leadership  LWolf   Aug-28-11 07:17 PM   #172 
  - kick  kentuck   Aug-26-11 01:45 PM   #117 
  - Well, there's an elephant wearing my pajamas.  Major Hogwash   Aug-26-11 02:21 PM   #120 
  - The union will support the President.. take it to the bank  Peacetrain   Aug-26-11 02:25 PM   #122 
  - This "hold breath till I get what I want" strategy is not going to work.  DCBob   Aug-26-11 03:39 PM   #127 
  - Yay!!! We all know they will endorse Obama. Robb, I'll stand with you and labor.  DevonRex   Aug-26-11 08:51 PM   #132 
  - I stand with rank and file union members. If union leaders fight Dems who use us, steal our dues,  readmoreoften   Aug-27-11 05:32 AM   #134 
  - So you stand with "union members" you agree with, but not unions.  Robb   Aug-27-11 07:48 AM   #137 
  - One question Rob  NNN0LHI   Aug-27-11 06:41 AM   #135 
  - Good question Don.  Robb   Aug-27-11 07:58 AM   #138 
     - Good answer Rob  NNN0LHI   Aug-27-11 08:39 AM   #142 
        - True enough. But I said AFL-CIO, and you said UAW.  Robb   Aug-27-11 08:58 AM   #144 
  - I don't vote for Republicans in Democrat suits,  woo me with science   Aug-28-11 12:57 PM   #157 
  - A union is of no use if you don't stand in solidarity.  Cleita   Aug-28-11 01:28 PM   #159 
  - Well put Robb. I want to know who are these people that claim to stand with Obama regardless of his  rhett o rick   Aug-28-11 03:48 PM   #165 
  - Amen.  ClassWarrior   Aug-29-11 09:37 AM   #176 
  - dingbatt!  mdmc   Aug-28-11 03:51 PM   #166 
  - I will stand in solidarity with Labor. if the DLC shill poster don't like that, they can kiss my ass  Odin2005   Aug-28-11 03:55 PM   #168 
  - I'm already getting emails asking my union to withhold their endorsement  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-28-11 03:57 PM   #169 
  - AFT, I presume? They poll their members, don't they?  Robb   Aug-28-11 04:21 PM   #170 
     - It's a vote at the convention, just like NEA  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-28-11 04:29 PM   #171 
  - I stand with labor.  Bake   Aug-29-11 10:48 AM   #179 

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