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Thu Aug-25-11 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #23 |
| 28. To quote the Big Dog, "I feel your pain" |
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I vehemently dislike having been reduced to a partisan hack. In times past, I would have seen a move like Trumka's as admirable.
But the consequences of another repuke presidency like the last one -- or worse -- especially with them in control of at least the House as well, are simply too frightening to contemplate.
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| -I stand with labor. If the AFL-CIO does not endorse Obama in 2012 |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 04:09 PM |
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I'm pretty sure labor will endorse they just won't put boots on the ground or |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-25-11 04:11 PM |
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After calling Obama, effectively, a Tea Bagger, you think they'll endorse him? |
MannyGoldstein |
Aug-25-11 04:51 PM |
#21 |
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Of course they'll endorse him. |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 07:44 PM |
#53 |
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"Obama's a Teabagger, but vote for him" |
MannyGoldstein |
Aug-25-11 08:19 PM |
#69 |
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So I'll put you down for a "I'll likely" stand with labor. |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 08:21 PM |
#70 |
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Do you want an oath of fealty? |
MannyGoldstein |
Aug-25-11 09:26 PM |
#77 |
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President Obama is NOT a tea-bagger! |
trueblue2007 |
Aug-25-11 08:23 PM |
#71 |
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could have fooled me. |
roguevalley |
Aug-25-11 08:55 PM |
#75 |
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Probably all that time he spent demanding to see his own birth certificate |
JoePhilly |
Aug-26-11 12:39 PM |
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I agree. As for the OP, I'll vote with and for Labor because I am Labor, |
SusanaMontana41 |
Aug-25-11 09:40 PM |
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they will endorse him and they will work for him... |
WI_DEM |
Aug-25-11 04:11 PM |
#2 |
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look at the alternative |
tartan2 |
Aug-26-11 12:27 PM |
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Aug-25-11 04:12 PM |
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What if the OP is voting with Labor, because he/she BELIEVES in, and supports labor? |
demwing |
Aug-25-11 04:18 PM |
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scornbot lol |
SwampG8r |
Aug-26-11 10:10 AM |
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robcon, why are you a Democrat? |
JDPriestly |
Aug-25-11 04:21 PM |
#13 |
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Conservative ones. |
Zhade |
Aug-25-11 05:26 PM |
#35 |
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so quick with the name calling |
leftyohiolib |
Aug-25-11 05:08 PM |
#24 |
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Who said the OP wasn't going to vote!? |
Rex |
Aug-25-11 05:38 PM |
#43 |
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I have no doubt they will endorse him |
LynneSin |
Aug-25-11 04:12 PM |
#4 |
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If you think this is about an endorsement or voting for him you |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-26-11 12:57 PM |
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The AFL-CIO might. Individual unions might not. |
Brickbat |
Aug-25-11 04:14 PM |
#5 |
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The AFGE is part of the AFL-CIO |
Creideiki |
Aug-25-11 07:52 PM |
#60 |
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So you're cool with President Perry? |
KamaAina |
Aug-25-11 04:14 PM |
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Right on cue with the scare tactics n/t |
markpkessinger |
Aug-25-11 04:40 PM |
#18 |
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I always carry more rocks after a thorough beating. nt |
sudopod |
Aug-25-11 05:21 PM |
#33 |
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isn't it disgusting? |
mod mom |
Aug-26-11 01:55 PM |
#118 |
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This is all you have? |
RetroLounge |
Aug-25-11 05:08 PM |
#23 |
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isnt it enuff |
leftyohiolib |
Aug-25-11 05:13 PM |
#26 |
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To quote the Big Dog, "I feel your pain" |
KamaAina |
Aug-25-11 05:17 PM |
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So we drive off the cliff at 10mph instead of 90mph? |
RetroLounge |
Aug-25-11 05:22 PM |
#34 |
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If you drive off the cliff going 10, |
KamaAina |
Aug-25-11 05:32 PM |
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If it's a cliff it won't make much difference. |
markpkessinger |
Aug-25-11 09:38 PM |
#78 |
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I find your honesty in admitting you've chosen party over principle refreshing. |
Zhade |
Aug-25-11 05:29 PM |
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How would you propose to move the Dem party back to the left? |
KamaAina |
Aug-25-11 05:33 PM |
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I propose punishing Dems who DON'T move back to the left, by withholding my vote. |
LooseWilly |
Aug-25-11 05:49 PM |
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That won't do jack shit unless you come up with a positive alternative. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-25-11 09:55 PM |
#80 |
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We simply never had the resources to do that in the confines of our system. |
Selatius |
Aug-25-11 07:56 PM |
#62 |
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enabling those moving it to the right will |
SwampG8r |
Aug-26-11 10:14 AM |
#93 |
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at least you can admit it |
SwampG8r |
Aug-26-11 10:13 AM |
#92 |
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So where's the big difference? |
blindpig |
Aug-26-11 01:32 PM |
#116 |
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All? Reality is not optional. |
treestar |
Aug-26-11 01:07 PM |
#114 |
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Reality? |
RetroLounge |
Aug-26-11 08:44 PM |
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Laugh all you want |
treestar |
Aug-27-11 12:45 AM |
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... |
RetroLounge |
Aug-27-11 08:22 AM |
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yawn. Same old crap with every single person who reflects about |
roguevalley |
Aug-25-11 09:00 PM |
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Aug-26-11 08:34 AM |
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I've decided to just put every single one of you using this tired argument on ignore |
Marrah_G |
Aug-26-11 08:54 AM |
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I put three of them on ignore this morning already. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-26-11 10:08 AM |
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Great idea. They are bullies. nm |
rhett o rick |
Aug-26-11 03:57 PM |
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"They" are bullies? |
Bobbie Jo |
Aug-28-11 10:27 AM |
#152 |
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Yes. Not once will they discuss issues but only threaten that if we dont vote their way |
rhett o rick |
Aug-28-11 12:00 PM |
#153 |
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It's not a threat to say if Democrats don't vote for Obama then Perry will win. It's simple math. |
scheming daemons |
Aug-28-11 02:20 PM |
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So you will vote for Obama regardless of his stand on issues? You are ok with not prosecuting |
rhett o rick |
Aug-28-11 03:52 PM |
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Every vote is a choice between the candidates on the ballot. I'll pick the best one. |
scheming daemons |
Aug-28-11 08:19 PM |
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And also... doesn't matter if I am "ok" with those things. The choice I'll have is Obama or GOP. |
scheming daemons |
Aug-28-11 08:20 PM |
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The system is rigged. Our corp-overlords have us where they want us. |
rhett o rick |
Aug-29-11 09:33 AM |
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Obama will not win in such a situation |
Mr Deltoid |
Aug-29-11 10:20 AM |
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I did that a LONG time ago. |
Occulus |
Aug-28-11 09:47 AM |
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I smell a bully. "Vote for our guy or you will be punished with a Bush". nm |
rhett o rick |
Aug-26-11 03:57 PM |
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If I said to you "If you don't use an umbrella in the rain, you'll get wet"... would I be bullying? |
scheming daemons |
Aug-28-11 02:25 PM |
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It is bullying if you say that those that dont vote for Obama are responsible for the election of |
rhett o rick |
Aug-28-11 03:32 PM |
#164 |
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If Obama loses it will be his own damn fault |
Mr Deltoid |
Aug-29-11 10:24 AM |
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I'm going to put you on ignore. |
Occulus |
Aug-28-11 09:50 AM |
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They will vote union busting Republican? Right! n/t |
Sheepshank |
Aug-25-11 04:16 PM |
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You mean Obama? nt |
joeybee12 |
Aug-25-11 04:18 PM |
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"THERE'S NOT A DIME'S WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN......" |
pnorman |
Aug-25-11 06:47 PM |
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Endorsing and voting are two different things. Unions are not compelled to endorse |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-25-11 04:22 PM |
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no maybe put up a labor candidate |
leftyohiolib |
Aug-25-11 05:20 PM |
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Define "support" |
Ohio Joe |
Aug-25-11 04:16 PM |
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IBTL |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-25-11 04:18 PM |
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My reading of the AFL-CIO's press release |
gratuitous |
Aug-25-11 04:21 PM |
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They are about to do, from my read, what they should have |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-25-11 04:42 PM |
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This is long over due! Make candidates earn the labor vote. It.. |
Little Star |
Aug-26-11 08:39 AM |
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Sweeney did this every four years. |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:23 PM |
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They need to form a Labor Party. |
Occulus |
Aug-28-11 09:49 AM |
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Would you leave DU if Obama was the nominee in that case? |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-25-11 04:24 PM |
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They'll endose, but there will be some serious backroom negotiations. |
Xithras |
Aug-25-11 04:25 PM |
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Exactly correct. (nt) |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 07:46 PM |
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What if the other labor organizations that pulled out the AFL-CIO |
Ikonoklast |
Aug-25-11 04:39 PM |
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UBC and UNITE-HERE left CTW. Laborers are rejoining AFL-CIO. |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 04:46 PM |
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So, let me get this straight: A DU mod WILL NOT VOTE FOR the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT |
MagickMuffin |
Aug-25-11 05:04 PM |
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So, let me get this straight |
RetroLounge |
Aug-25-11 05:09 PM |
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The anti-Obama DUERS "think" that yes they do |
MagickMuffin |
Aug-25-11 05:29 PM |
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It's a piss-poor argument, isn't it? |
Lucian |
Aug-25-11 05:40 PM |
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Answer this for your argument |
MagickMuffin |
Aug-25-11 05:47 PM |
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Let me know when you get an answer! A bunch of us have asked that question |
Number23 |
Aug-25-11 07:47 PM |
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"A DU mod WILL NOT VOTE FOR the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT"? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Aug-25-11 05:14 PM |
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Yep, this place has really become unbearable at times |
MagickMuffin |
Aug-25-11 05:32 PM |
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Liebermann? |
_ed_ |
Aug-26-11 08:35 AM |
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Aug-26-11 10:19 AM |
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maybe a majority of people really need to suffer hard to get it thru their heads |
leftyohiolib |
Aug-25-11 05:17 PM |
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My state has suffered enough since bush and perry has taken over |
MagickMuffin |
Aug-25-11 05:35 PM |
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it isnt to prove a point |
leftyohiolib |
Aug-25-11 05:57 PM |
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A profoundly *bad* idea. |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 07:47 PM |
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I wouldn't say it's a bad idea. It may actually be the course of history the US will take. |
Selatius |
Aug-25-11 08:07 PM |
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Name one example in history where the population intentionally hastened their own oppression. |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 08:10 PM |
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There exists none debatably, but I do not believe that was the solution the other person meant. |
Selatius |
Aug-25-11 08:35 PM |
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It's an interesting notion, but it's not accurate to single out the US. |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:34 PM |
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your opinion but |
leftyohiolib |
Aug-26-11 10:06 AM |
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So you think Americans are addicted to what, eating? |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:18 PM |
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I do not believe you have it straight, actually. |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 07:52 PM |
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Liebermann? |
_ed_ |
Aug-26-11 08:36 AM |
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Lieberman's been Independent since 2007. (nt) |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:43 PM |
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So what? |
_ed_ |
Aug-26-11 03:37 PM |
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You are WRONG, Lieberman left the Democratic Party |
MagickMuffin |
Aug-26-11 01:57 PM |
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Aug-26-11 03:36 PM |
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Welcome to my ignore list. |
Occulus |
Aug-28-11 09:53 AM |
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Surprisingly, it seems this part needs saying: |
Robb |
Aug-25-11 05:18 PM |
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The Teamsters |
Worried senior |
Aug-25-11 05:21 PM |
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Hell, it was worse than that! They endorsed Nixon in 1972. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-26-11 02:24 PM |
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Meany had the AFL-CIO sit on its hands in '72 as well. |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 02:59 PM |
#123 |
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I disagree. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-26-11 10:23 AM |
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I'm sure DU's union members will be delighted to hear this. |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:29 PM |
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I'm a union member of nearly fifteen years |
Occulus |
Aug-28-11 09:58 AM |
#151 |
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If you've already made that decision, then why hang around here anymore? |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-26-11 03:14 PM |
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He may get their endorsement. But, it may be a case of "Damn with faint praise." |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-25-11 05:28 PM |
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I will stand with labor also. |
Lucian |
Aug-25-11 05:39 PM |
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well if the republicans win we won't have to worry about unions at all |
spanone |
Aug-25-11 05:43 PM |
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If the Republican win the Unions will grow stronger |
ThomWV |
Aug-25-11 07:53 PM |
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Solidarity with Labor. nt |
TBF |
Aug-25-11 05:48 PM |
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K&R for labor unions |
amborin |
Aug-25-11 07:39 PM |
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So what you are saying is that you don't think for yourself. |
Throd |
Aug-25-11 07:47 PM |
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What a horseshit thing to say. Who are you, the keeper of all wisdom who relies on no one? |
ThomWV |
Aug-25-11 07:51 PM |
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Who says you have to base your vote on what any person or group says? |
Throd |
Aug-25-11 07:57 PM |
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Well mine is certainly not based on you |
RetroLounge |
Aug-25-11 08:18 PM |
#68 |
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Exactly! |
treestar |
Aug-26-11 01:07 PM |
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HUGE K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Aug-25-11 07:58 PM |
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I stand with the working men and women of this country |
MissDeeds |
Aug-25-11 08:03 PM |
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SOLIDARITY! |
shanti |
Aug-25-11 08:24 PM |
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I'll still hold my nose and vote for him |
Lunabelle |
Aug-25-11 08:32 PM |
#73 |
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A skunk is still a skunk, no matter how it's dressed up. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-26-11 10:24 AM |
#96 |
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Labor is going to force Obama to shit or get off the pot. |
olegramps |
Aug-26-11 08:42 AM |
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good luck, |
mitchtv |
Aug-28-11 01:31 PM |
#160 |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
Aug-26-11 10:02 AM |
#87 |
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I'm afraid the fear of President Perry pushes the Democratic Party to the right |
Douglas Carpenter |
Aug-26-11 10:13 AM |
#91 |
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What if labor endorsed a teabagger? |
Shagbark Hickory |
Aug-26-11 12:20 PM |
#98 |
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What if they endorsed a squirrel? |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:21 PM |
#99 |
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SO, Moderator- Construction Unions support building Walmarts in NYC. Teamster Unions support drillin |
KittyWampus |
Aug-26-11 12:36 PM |
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The OP is quite clear. |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:39 PM |
#105 |
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pssst -- he's on your side -- read the thread. nt |
xchrom |
Aug-26-11 12:44 PM |
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I stand with actual laborers whether or not |
LWolf |
Aug-26-11 12:44 PM |
#108 |
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So you'll "stand with actual laborers" but not their unions? |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 12:47 PM |
#110 |
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Nope. |
LWolf |
Aug-26-11 12:58 PM |
#112 |
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"Solidarity! ... Unless I know better!" |
Robb |
Aug-26-11 01:20 PM |
#115 |
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No...it's solidarity with those who earn it. nt |
LWolf |
Aug-26-11 07:32 PM |
#130 |
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How can you possibly claim to support the union movement? |
Robb |
Aug-27-11 07:46 AM |
#136 |
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I didn't exclude anyone except |
LWolf |
Aug-27-11 08:28 AM |
#140 |
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If you see unions as mere bureaucracies, I don't think you're supportive of them. |
Robb |
Aug-27-11 08:35 AM |
#141 |
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The movement is the people. |
LWolf |
Aug-27-11 08:52 AM |
#143 |
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Sorry, but conditional solidarity is not solidarity. |
Robb |
Aug-27-11 11:34 AM |
#145 |
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Sorry, but refusal |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 09:05 AM |
#146 |
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Again, if you don't think unions advance the cause of labor, you don't support the union movement. |
Robb |
Aug-28-11 12:24 PM |
#154 |
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Don't put words in my mouth, or try to read my mind. |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 12:48 PM |
#155 |
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Unions select their own leadership. And we vote a lot. |
Robb |
Aug-28-11 12:50 PM |
#156 |
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Are you trying to purge union members who aren't sheep? |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 01:26 PM |
#158 |
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Wow. Solidarity with unions makes one a sheep? |
Robb |
Aug-28-11 02:10 PM |
#161 |
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Following leadership blindly, without holding leadership |
LWolf |
Aug-28-11 07:17 PM |
#172 |
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kick |
kentuck |
Aug-26-11 01:45 PM |
#117 |
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Well, there's an elephant wearing my pajamas. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-26-11 02:21 PM |
#120 |
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The union will support the President.. take it to the bank |
Peacetrain |
Aug-26-11 02:25 PM |
#122 |
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This "hold breath till I get what I want" strategy is not going to work. |
DCBob |
Aug-26-11 03:39 PM |
#127 |
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Yay!!! We all know they will endorse Obama. Robb, I'll stand with you and labor. |
DevonRex |
Aug-26-11 08:51 PM |
#132 |
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I stand with rank and file union members. If union leaders fight Dems who use us, steal our dues, |
readmoreoften |
Aug-27-11 05:32 AM |
#134 |
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So you stand with "union members" you agree with, but not unions. |
Robb |
Aug-27-11 07:48 AM |
#137 |
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One question Rob |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-27-11 06:41 AM |
#135 |
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Good question Don. |
Robb |
Aug-27-11 07:58 AM |
#138 |
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Good answer Rob |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-27-11 08:39 AM |
#142 |
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True enough. But I said AFL-CIO, and you said UAW. |
Robb |
Aug-27-11 08:58 AM |
#144 |
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I don't vote for Republicans in Democrat suits, |
woo me with science |
Aug-28-11 12:57 PM |
#157 |
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A union is of no use if you don't stand in solidarity. |
Cleita |
Aug-28-11 01:28 PM |
#159 |
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Well put Robb. I want to know who are these people that claim to stand with Obama regardless of his |
rhett o rick |
Aug-28-11 03:48 PM |
#165 |
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Amen. |
ClassWarrior |
Aug-29-11 09:37 AM |
#176 |
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dingbatt! |
mdmc |
Aug-28-11 03:51 PM |
#166 |
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I will stand in solidarity with Labor. if the DLC shill poster don't like that, they can kiss my ass |
Odin2005 |
Aug-28-11 03:55 PM |
#168 |
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I'm already getting emails asking my union to withhold their endorsement |
proud2BlibKansan |
Aug-28-11 03:57 PM |
#169 |
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AFT, I presume? They poll their members, don't they? |
Robb |
Aug-28-11 04:21 PM |
#170 |
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It's a vote at the convention, just like NEA |
proud2BlibKansan |
Aug-28-11 04:29 PM |
#171 |
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I stand with labor. |
Bake |
Aug-29-11 10:48 AM |
#179 |
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