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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:14 PM
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77. he is not a progressive, and if the economy does not improve
his re-election is in jeopardy. but...the republican candidates are all nuts, so...
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  -The left is slowly drifting away... kentuck  Aug-21-11 06:35 PM   #0 
  - +1 nt  Hawkowl   Aug-21-11 06:39 PM   #1 
  - I never thought I'd say this...  vi5   Aug-21-11 06:39 PM   #2 
  - Our party is worth defending, theirs isn't.  tridim   Aug-21-11 06:42 PM   #3 
  - There won't be anything left after you get done 'defending' it  ixion   Aug-21-11 06:44 PM   #7 
  - you'd think that the people who claim to have the most invested in Obama would behave  nashville_brook   Aug-21-11 08:14 PM   #56 
  - Nashville, please PM us or post a topic explaing.  Mimosa   Aug-22-11 02:12 AM   #131 
  - Same here. I canvased for him in Ohio and Pennsylvania. I was thrilled  UnrepentantLiberal   Aug-22-11 04:14 PM   #356 
  - You Conserva-Dems are afraid to tell the rest of us where you stand on the issues.  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:37 PM   #298 
  - I've noticed that too.  JDPriestly   Aug-22-11 03:41 PM   #342 
  - That last thing: "no principles." Yep. In that, they're just like Obama..... :-/ n/t  DeSwiss   Aug-22-11 06:41 PM   #387 
  - I was solidly behind Obama in 2008. But he gave us Rick Warren as a warning of things to come.  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:41 PM   #300 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-11 02:12 PM   #310 
     - Would you rather  connecticut yankee   Aug-22-11 03:31 PM   #337 
        - That has never been the only alternative  Ken Burch   Aug-22-11 03:54 PM   #350 
        - The war isnt between Dems and Repubs. If you think it is, you are being misled. nm  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 06:32 PM   #385 
        - That's all we've had since Carter. n/t  DeSwiss   Aug-22-11 06:44 PM   #388 
        - Plez stop using that idiotic meme. nm  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 08:24 PM   #400 
     - I mostly disregarded the Rick Warren flap at the time.  hay rick   Aug-22-11 05:15 PM   #367 
     - "Rick Warren as a warning of things to come"  awoke_in_2003   Aug-22-11 05:43 PM   #375 
        - A bloody,  chervilant   Aug-26-11 09:38 AM   #443 
  - RW dems are doing the same thing  xxqqqzme   Aug-22-11 04:54 AM   #142 
  - Without principles, there is no party to defend  dflprincess   Aug-21-11 09:18 PM   #78 
  - "The party has to stand for something."  SusanaMontana41   Aug-22-11 08:49 AM   #201 
  - +1  indurancevile   Aug-22-11 02:19 PM   #314 
  - Exactly.  DeSwiss   Aug-22-11 06:45 PM   #389 
  - Our party sucks!!  pocoloco   Aug-22-11 11:04 AM   #242 
  - no, it really isn't..  frylock   Aug-22-11 11:34 AM   #250 
  - That sounds a bit too much like  SavWriter   Aug-22-11 01:03 PM   #284 
  - No need to quaify it, I meant what I said.  tridim   Aug-22-11 01:21 PM   #292 
     - "we are good people"...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-22-11 05:45 PM   #376 
     - The vast majority of the Democratic party is made up of people, not politicians.  tridim   Aug-23-11 09:01 AM   #418 
        - It is still our party...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-23-11 04:02 PM   #423 
           - make "It is" "Is it". too late to edit. nt  awoke_in_2003   Aug-23-11 05:03 PM   #424 
     - Okay, I'm Abraham Lincoln. No need to defend my point. You just  UnrepentantLiberal   Aug-22-11 05:53 PM   #377 
     - Ok, so we should defend it.  SavWriter   Aug-22-11 05:55 PM   #378 
        - Great post. Unfortunately a lot of people  truedelphi   Aug-27-11 08:10 PM   #446 
  - What about our party is worth defending?  swilton   Aug-22-11 02:15 PM   #311 
  - Our party is only worth defending if it stands up for core Democratic values.  totodeinhere   Aug-22-11 02:45 PM   #318 
  - +1000  RC   Aug-22-11 02:57 PM   #323 
  - BINGO.... that about sums it up perfectly....n/t  humbled_opinion   Aug-22-11 04:33 PM   #359 
  - But but but,,,where else can we go??????  peace frog   Aug-24-11 07:32 AM   #439 
  - The most effective way to DEFEND the party is put put principle ABOVE party.  Faryn Balyncd   Aug-22-11 03:13 PM   #328 
  - What a novel idea!  sabrina 1   Aug-23-11 08:36 PM   #431 
  - tridim, what specific things about the Obama version of the Democratic  JDPriestly   Aug-22-11 03:27 PM   #335 
  - Yeah. Be true to your school.  Jakes Progress   Aug-22-11 10:40 PM   #405 
  - You obviously don't understand party politics, or you wouldn't compare the two.  Starboard Tack   Aug-21-11 07:09 PM   #19 
  - I think I understand them quite well...  vi5   Aug-21-11 07:29 PM   #37 
  - And what party  polmaven   Aug-21-11 08:03 PM   #52 
  - "he has done some things that are pretty bad both for the country"  Starboard Tack   Aug-21-11 08:05 PM   #53 
     - extended W tax breaks, reauthorized unpatiot act, continued bailouts for Banksters  StarsInHerHair   Aug-21-11 08:50 PM   #66 
     - With his hands tied he compromised. He's no happier than you or me.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:20 AM   #126 
        - I wish I could believe that.  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:31 AM   #148 
        - Post-partisan...  kentuck   Aug-22-11 05:34 AM   #149 
        - Well, have fun with your other options.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 11:34 AM   #249 
        - Me too  BobbyBoring   Aug-22-11 12:48 PM   #275 
        - Oh so the president is powerless  katnapped   Aug-22-11 06:54 AM   #170 
        - That's exactly the subtext to all this "rally around" stuff...that he's powerless.  truth2power   Aug-22-11 09:17 AM   #208 
        - Excellent post, K&R  Carolina   Aug-22-11 12:09 PM   #261 
        - Thanks. n/t  truth2power   Aug-22-11 01:38 PM   #299 
        - should be an OP  tgal   Aug-22-11 02:48 PM   #319 
        - I think your spidey sense nailed it.  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:58 PM   #379 
        - Bush did it with Democrats collusion. He played on fear and won  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 11:43 AM   #255 
           - So you're admitting the Democrats are complicit.  a simple pattern   Aug-22-11 12:54 PM   #278 
              - Weren't you there for Iraq and the Patriot Act?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:35 PM   #297 
        - Starboard Tack, you are living in fantasy land if you think he compromised  bertman   Aug-22-11 08:29 AM   #190 
        - So why don't you run if you think you'd do a better job?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 11:46 AM   #256 
           - Possibilities for your next reply:  FredStembottom   Aug-22-11 12:51 PM   #277 
           - when someone posts a shit response like this, it's a signal that they've lost the debate..  frylock   Aug-22-11 03:19 PM   #329 
           - Why the fuck should we even bother to have political speech in your world?  sudopod   Aug-22-11 11:12 PM   #410 
        - You'd be a lot more credible with a different posting name  Ken Burch   Aug-22-11 09:53 AM   # 
        - Oh, and why would that be, Mr. Burch?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 11:36 AM   #251 
        - Starbard Tack=Turn To The Right.  Ken Burch   Aug-22-11 03:53 PM   #349 
           - I didnt catch that. Thanks for pointing it out. nm  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 04:55 PM   #364 
           - Wrong! Now you have egg on your face Mr. Burch  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 09:37 PM   #403 
              - In that case, YOU aren't accurately representing your posting name  Ken Burch   Aug-22-11 11:54 PM   #411 
                 - Not at all. My posts are about survival of our democracy.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 08:34 PM   #430 
                    - Democrazy.  Fuddnik   Aug-24-11 08:13 AM   #440 
        - +10 - Yeah, I noticed that also.  RC   Aug-22-11 03:41 PM   #341 
        - Starting in 2011 his hands are tied. But in 2009 and 2010 he was sitting on his hands.  eomer   Aug-22-11 11:24 AM   #244 
        - Did I miss something or wasn't he trying to get a public option healthcare bill passed?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 12:01 PM   #258 
           - Yes, I think you did miss something - the backroom deal he had already made.  eomer   Aug-22-11 03:44 PM   #344 
              - No, I didn't miss it. Very disappointing.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 10:59 AM   #420 
                 - They themselves were the only thing stopping them.  eomer   Aug-23-11 11:42 AM   #422 
                    - I agree. Very disappointing. Hopefully he'll try again.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 08:43 PM   #432 
        - Bullshit  demwing   Aug-22-11 03:23 PM   #333 
        - f8ck you & your attack "whining"  StarsInHerHair   Aug-23-11 06:14 PM   #428 
     - accepted our number one industry is war which is loathsome to me, for starters..nt  xiamiam   Aug-21-11 11:46 PM   #114 
     - No he hasn't. That's total bullshit. I'm sure he'd rather be making solar panels.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:30 AM   #127 
        - Lol, what bullshit.  Union Scribe   Aug-22-11 06:29 AM   #166 
        - Be glad he didn't post "The List" n/t  katnapped   Aug-22-11 06:55 AM   #171 
        - Starboard Tac.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 08:36 AM   #193 
           - I had forgotten that, but you're right, uh, I mean, correct!  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 09:38 AM   #214 
           - Google defines it as  Occulus   Aug-22-11 09:52 AM   #224 
        - Oh well, if you're sure if it then o.k. never mind.  vi5   Aug-22-11 06:36 AM   #167 
        - Good, now quit whining and concentrate on getting Dems re-elected  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 12:04 PM   #259 
        - We are NOT almost out of Iraq  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 07:51 AM   #180 
        - Dying for Bush/Cheney lies. And they aren't dying every day  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 12:16 PM   #262 
           - Specious. At best. Cmon, you can do better than that!  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 12:59 PM   #281 
           - People are dying in Iraq. Yes. And it is a tragedy.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:07 PM   #307 
              - You don't seem to understand vis-a-vis your constant "whining" refrain  DisgustipatedinCA   Aug-22-11 07:00 PM   #395 
                 - Good for you. It's your vote. Your right. I just don't deal well with whiners.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 09:23 PM   #402 
           - That's what Dick Morris said about men and women sent to die  sabrina 1   Aug-22-11 02:09 PM   #308 
              - My point was not to give support to a phony war or justify any killing,  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:51 PM   #322 
        - "Solidarity is needed now like never before, so quit whining"  Mr Deltoid   Aug-22-11 10:05 AM   #230 
        - +1000  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:32 PM   #295 
        - Your post says a lot about what we Old-Democrats are up against. You last statement:  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:31 PM   #294 
        - Give me an issue and I'll happily tell you where I stand  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 06:46 PM   #390 
           - which of these do you feel he has worked hardest toward?  SwampG8r   Aug-23-11 12:24 AM   #416 
           - I think he has worked hard on all. Not hard enough and I am not happy by any means.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 11:14 AM   #421 
           - You're not abolishing MY ownership of handguns. Go pound sand.  Common Sense Party   Aug-23-11 05:11 PM   #426 
        - What. A. Load. Of. CRAP!  DeSwiss   Aug-22-11 06:48 PM   #391 
     - FFS  me b zola   Aug-22-11 04:36 AM   #140 
     - Escalating in Afghanistan  Ken Burch   Aug-22-11 04:33 PM   #358 
     - And then there is that little tiny thing of Obama  truedelphi   Aug-27-11 08:14 PM   #447 
  - Politics, by definition  tama   Aug-21-11 09:58 PM   #92 
  - You're right. Modern Washington style party politics is a tough row to hoe.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:07 AM   #130 
     - I have no doubt  tama   Aug-22-11 08:27 AM   #189 
        - OK - good points, but it doesn't make us powerless.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 12:40 PM   #271 
  - It's obvious some one doesn't understand party politics.  A Simple Game   Aug-21-11 10:25 PM   #104 
  - Hey, you make your choices. It's your vote.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:21 AM   #132 
     - This is getting very tiresome  Caretha   Aug-22-11 06:39 AM   #168 
     - That's all they've got  katnapped   Aug-22-11 06:58 AM   #172 
     - I think the problem is that we are torn between a Democratic candidate vs. Democratic ideals  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 08:01 AM   #183 
     - You are absolutely correct ! n/t  zalinda   Aug-22-11 10:47 AM   #236 
     - Therein always lies the problem and then what do we mean by Democratic ideals?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 12:54 PM   #279 
        - How about the standard platform we have run on for many many years  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 01:01 PM   #282 
           - Oh yeah? How's that workin' for you?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:58 PM   #324 
              - The republican wing of the party doesn't like it..so I guess it is working out well. n/t  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 03:36 PM   #339 
     - Damn right it's my vote. Nobody owns it just because they have the right letter after their name!  A Simple Game   Aug-22-11 09:37 AM   #213 
     - "My not voting for a Republican makes you want to puke? All I can say is WOW!"  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:08 PM   #287 
     - Being loyal to the ideals of the Democratic Party  david_vincent   Aug-22-11 09:41 AM   #216 
     - Well said.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:17 PM   #290 
     - Therein lies the problem  LondonReign2   Aug-22-11 09:46 AM   #220 
     - Which ideals do you think Obama is disloyal to?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:19 PM   #291 
        - Do you really want someone to answer that and make you a fool?  Chan790   Aug-22-11 02:30 PM   #316 
           - Yes, I do. Feel free to expound. Assume I have no clue.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 03:00 PM   #326 
     - The Democratic Party is not being loyal to the ideals of the Democratic Party.  RC   Aug-22-11 04:03 PM   #353 
  - Whoa, an incurable case of irony deficiency cause by the party apparati virus -nt  scentopine   Aug-22-11 09:45 AM   #218 
  - So, Starboard Tack, the values that underly your support for Obama are opportunistic.  JDPriestly   Aug-22-11 03:56 PM   #351 
  - +1000. n/t  Donnachaidh   Aug-21-11 07:18 PM   #29 
  - Yeah -  polmaven   Aug-21-11 07:50 PM   #44 
  - Imagine a president who went on TV and said to the American people:  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 09:45 AM   #219 
  - Oh, in my dreams.... n/t  GOTV   Aug-22-11 11:29 AM   #246 
  - Well, sure...  polmaven   Aug-22-11 12:56 PM   #280 
  - You don't get what I was saying, do you?  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 03:46 PM   #346 
     - The constituents who elected them  polmaven   Aug-22-11 04:01 PM   #352 
        - They would have welcomed it unless it was their friend, relative, or neighbor  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 04:22 PM   #357 
  - Lydia, you are absolutely correct...  kentuck   Aug-22-11 01:25 PM   #293 
  - Yes, refusing to cave on the Bush tax cuts would have been a signal  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 03:48 PM   #348 
  - He kept the tax cuts for middle class and unemployment  julian09   Aug-22-11 06:52 PM   #392 
     - I would have been happy to have my taxes go up if they also went up for the fat cats  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 08:41 PM   #401 
        - I would say that it was fighting words to suggest ,,  kentuck   Aug-22-11 10:46 PM   #407 
  - It was very short sighted and signaled the slippery slope  eilen   Aug-22-11 11:19 AM   #243 
  - Under any normal circumstance I would agree with you on that polmaven.  Shandris   Aug-22-11 11:42 AM   #254 
  - Yes, you're right..  polmaven   Aug-22-11 01:06 PM   #285 
  - Where is the offset coming from? What will replace the lack of activity due to hoarding?  TheKentuckian   Aug-22-11 06:22 PM   #384 
     - What is the size of your family?  polmaven   Aug-23-11 09:22 AM   #419 
        - Just me but my fat was in the fire and I think the health of the greater economy  TheKentuckian   Aug-23-11 06:30 PM   #429 
           - The anxiety is understandable.  kentuck   Aug-24-11 03:26 PM   #442 
  - Agreed  MissDeeds   Aug-21-11 08:54 PM   #69 
  - It's scary.  tblue   Aug-21-11 10:11 PM   #99 
     - Don't you see that big D next to his name?  katnapped   Aug-22-11 07:14 AM   #175 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-21-11 06:42 PM   #4 
  - I'm more of a "If we don't hang together, we shall surely hang separately" type.  Liberal Veteran   Aug-21-11 06:42 PM   #5 
  - That's a better argument than the insults and name calling.  tblue   Aug-21-11 10:13 PM   #100 
  - Who do you mean "We", Kemo Sabe?  Chan790   Aug-22-11 02:40 PM   #317 
  - I think progressives have to lower their expectations in the short term and work for the long  county worker   Aug-21-11 06:43 PM   #6 
  - a great example  ixion   Aug-21-11 06:45 PM   #9 
  - I've been hearing that advice since Clinton and meanwhile working for the long term  Luminous Animal   Aug-21-11 07:10 PM   #20 
  - And that's the problem. It's always, "wait, wait, wait" but nothing ever comes of it. Just more  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-21-11 07:58 PM   #48 
  - Well then don't wait! I'm not holding you back!  county worker   Aug-21-11 09:31 PM   #83 
     - Sure, we can do the work. Which work would you suggest? If it has to do with getting  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-21-11 09:39 PM   #87 
     - I am not sure what the work is but I hear part of the work is to become polititians ourselves.  county worker   Aug-21-11 09:54 PM   #90 
     - Honestly  tama   Aug-22-11 08:40 AM   #196 
     - I would make a terrible politician. I am no leader. My personality is similar to Obama's.  RickFromMN   Aug-22-11 10:47 AM   #237 
     - AND,  chervilant   Aug-26-11 10:44 AM   #445 
     - That's why I'm taking to the streets in DC on Oct. 6th!  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 08:03 AM   #186 
  - recommend  noiretextatique   Aug-21-11 08:49 PM   #65 
  - Same here. Thirty years of promises and waiting and waiting...  bread_and_roses   Aug-22-11 06:46 AM   #169 
     - I think the political newbies are the ones who are all starstruck over Obama  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 09:47 AM   #222 
  - Norman Goldman is a tool  Pavlo   Aug-21-11 08:54 PM   #68 
  - Care to explain?  county worker   Aug-21-11 09:55 PM   #91 
  - We have been doing just that for decades.  Big Blue Marble   Aug-22-11 02:27 AM   #133 
  - truth  kentuck   Aug-22-11 05:26 AM   #147 
  - Ah, the inescapable conclusion.  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:40 AM   #153 
  - Obama hopes to enact three new free trade deals.  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:38 AM   #152 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-11 06:18 AM   #163 
  - We've been lowering our expectations for 35 years.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 08:01 AM   #184 
  - That's the equivalent of...  Javaman   Aug-22-11 08:34 AM   #192 
  - I understand your point, but it's difficult when a minority group like teabaggers get their way  October   Aug-22-11 10:47 AM   #235 
  - Problem is  Mr Deltoid   Aug-22-11 11:01 AM   #240 
  - we've been doing that for decades  Carolina   Aug-22-11 12:17 PM   #264 
  - that short term is now 20+ years. I haven't got a time horizon that extends for your 'short term'.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-22-11 01:06 PM   #286 
  - "Those that stand for nothing will fall for anything"  Autumn   Aug-21-11 06:44 PM   #8 
  - Houston, we have a problem  Hydra   Aug-21-11 06:45 PM   #10 
  - Aye, there's the rub. If I get hired to do a job for a client and refuse to follow through  Lorien   Aug-21-11 07:01 PM   # 
     - Yes, that's the way it works in regular day to day real life.  Raine   Aug-21-11 07:44 PM   #41 
        - Good idea except  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Aug-21-11 09:27 PM   #81 
           - You make a good point, the political "mechanic"  Raine   Aug-22-11 01:56 AM   #128 
  - Maybe the Big Tent is not big enough for  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 06:46 PM   #11 
  - We've gone from tent to bus...  AlabamaLibrul   Aug-21-11 06:50 PM   #12 
     - + My household. n/t  truedelphi   Aug-22-11 02:18 PM   #312 
  - The left are the leaders and fire of the Democratic Party. I'd like to see Obama  Peregrine Took   Aug-21-11 06:52 PM   #13 
  - he wont win..period..thats the point and why we're fired up..nt  xiamiam   Aug-21-11 11:49 PM   #115 
  - Touche, excellent points  Carolina   Aug-22-11 12:23 PM   #267 
  - "Obama 2012 will do the same but will we be there?"  Chan790   Aug-22-11 02:49 PM   #321 
  - And how is it that calling someone a corporate whore...  reACTIONary   Aug-21-11 06:54 PM   #14 
  - Define 'Winning' please! n/t  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 07:01 PM   #17 
  - Ah, the old "learn to love the new feudalism" argument  Lorien   Aug-21-11 07:23 PM   #33 
  - By "winning" I mean...  reACTIONary   Aug-21-11 08:34 PM   #60 
     - 98% non wealthiest?  Pavlo   Aug-21-11 09:07 PM   #75 
     - And how is losing elections going to help?  reACTIONary   Aug-21-11 09:47 PM   #88 
        - How did winning the presidency help us?  Pavlo   Aug-21-11 10:25 PM   #103 
           - OK Pavlo,  reACTIONary   Aug-21-11 11:26 PM   #111 
           - welcome to du..good post..nt  xiamiam   Aug-21-11 11:50 PM   #116 
           - Well said and welcome to DU, Pavlo  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 11:58 PM   #120 
           - +1000.  Javaman   Aug-22-11 08:38 AM   #194 
           - Well put pavlo...  russspeakeasy   Aug-22-11 09:02 AM   #204 
           - Welcome to DU, Pavlo  Carolina   Aug-22-11 12:28 PM   #268 
     - 'Winning elections'? Republicans win elections, we have won  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 11:40 PM   #113 
        - + ten trillion  xiamiam   Aug-21-11 11:52 PM   #117 
        - Bingo  kentuck   Aug-22-11 05:22 AM   #146 
        - PLUS ONE! What a wonderful post!  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:52 AM   #155 
        - Committees: Waxman, Leahy, Conyers...Russ Holt on Verified Paper Ballots...  KoKo   Aug-22-11 07:49 AM   #179 
        - "...the left fights harder for what it claims to support when they LOSE elections."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-22-11 08:25 AM   #188 
        - Many thanks sabrina.......  russspeakeasy   Aug-22-11 09:06 AM   #206 
        - +1 n/t  myrna minx   Aug-22-11 10:53 AM   #239 
        - Amen, Sister (n/t)  bread_and_roses   Aug-22-11 03:35 PM   #338 
        - shazam.  nashville_brook   Aug-22-11 06:06 PM   #380 
        - The Republicans had 40 votes in the Senete...  reACTIONary   Aug-22-11 10:38 PM   #404 
        - +1  leftstreet   Aug-22-11 11:03 PM   #409 
        - All we "won" was a sideshow to make us think it's a democracy. The plutocracy remains in place.  begin_within   Aug-23-11 12:00 AM   #414 
  - "Winning"  a simple pattern   Aug-22-11 01:15 PM   #289 
  - Withholding your votes for democrats is not going to change the party  killbotfactory   Aug-21-11 06:56 PM   #15 
  - Battered wife syndrome.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 08:44 AM   #198 
  - By withholding your vote, you are empowering moderates  killbotfactory   Aug-23-11 05:52 PM   #427 
  - Losing elections does change parties.  GOTV   Aug-22-11 11:38 AM   #252 
     - For good, or ill, losing elections changes the political landscape.  RickFromMN   Aug-22-11 12:18 PM   #265 
  - in some ways that might be a good thing....  mike_c   Aug-21-11 07:01 PM   #16 
  - Good points. I think that we need a general "workers union" that covers every  Lorien   Aug-21-11 07:11 PM   #22 
  - That a definition of the "Wobblies"  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Aug-21-11 09:30 PM   #82 
  - Excellent suggestion........nt  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:53 AM   #156 
  - "We need to rebuild a progressive movement from the grassroots"  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 07:22 PM   #32 
     - Sounds great...  reACTIONary   Aug-21-11 08:45 PM   #63 
  - Some of you need to leave the bubble of the internet sometimes.  sufrommich   Aug-21-11 07:03 PM   #18 
  - I think it is you who needs to leave the bubble of the internet  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 07:15 PM   #23 
  - i'm in no california..i can't name anyone who is ok with this administrations direction..nt  xiamiam   Aug-21-11 11:53 PM   #118 
  - I know plenty of people who have never even heard of DU who are  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 09:53 AM   #225 
     - Me too, Lydia Leftcoast.  sabrina 1   Aug-22-11 12:50 PM   #276 
     - Me too. This theory that it is just the blogbarians is bullshit.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-22-11 03:06 PM   #327 
  - Thanks...I wanted to say something similar, but was afraid to, as a newbie.  Fred Engels   Aug-21-11 07:23 PM   #34 
  - Welcome to DU. Now sit down and shut up. Just kidding, welcome aboard. nt  bluestate10   Aug-21-11 09:05 PM   #73 
  - Welcome  Angry Dragon   Aug-21-11 11:17 PM   #110 
     - haha...well, I believe that any thinking Democrat (or thinking American) can be liberal  Fred Engels   Aug-22-11 05:01 PM   #365 
        - I hope some day you can develop a real sense of humor  Angry Dragon   Aug-22-11 07:30 PM   #397 
  - some need to take their own advice  Donnachaidh   Aug-21-11 07:27 PM   #36 
  - My mother was an ardent supporter of Obama  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 08:31 AM   #191 
  - You got that right. Someone actually referred to DU as "mainstream"  Number23   Aug-21-11 07:36 PM   #40 
  - That would have been me. And yes, DU is mainstream  sabrina 1   Aug-21-11 07:46 PM   #43 
  - There is nothing 'mainstream' about DU  Number23   Aug-21-11 07:54 PM   #46 
     - so what is the "racial makeup of this place"?  StarsInHerHair   Aug-21-11 09:00 PM   #72 
     - Recent unofficial polls have put it at about 90+% Caucasion  Number23   Aug-21-11 09:33 PM   #85 
        - We need to primary Obama before it's too late!! Before it's 100% Caucasian around here!  Major Hogwash   Aug-22-11 12:06 AM   #121 
        - quantcast says 16% are minorities which would make it 84% white  dameocrat67   Aug-22-11 05:19 AM   #144 
           - Site says "Date is Estimated"....meaning they can't verify.  KoKo   Aug-22-11 07:56 AM   #181 
     - DU is a microcosm of america  noiretextatique   Aug-21-11 09:05 PM   #74 
     - That's 26% on particularl issues  Number23   Aug-21-11 09:38 PM   #86 
     - just on the economy...you are correct  noiretextatique   Aug-21-11 09:49 PM   #89 
     - those polls are inaccurate..sorry..nt  xiamiam   Aug-21-11 11:55 PM   #119 
        - Well, damn! If you say so, it must be true!!!one!~  Number23   Aug-22-11 12:32 AM   #125 
        - Well I've been to one world's fair, a picnic, and a rodeo  provis99   Aug-22-11 01:02 PM   #283 
     - PM me, too, please  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-22-11 09:55 AM   # 
     - Regarding who is struggling the most  FlaGranny   Aug-22-11 05:57 AM   #159 
     - This is my favorite excuse  Number23   Aug-22-11 04:51 PM   #362 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-22-11 06:23 AM   #164 
     - That is actually in line with most of the polling reports  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 08:39 AM   #195 
  - so, your definition of mainstream is agreeing with you.  nashville_brook   Aug-22-11 06:09 PM   #381 
     - No, I think what's sad is your level of reading comprehension  Number23   Aug-22-11 06:38 PM   #386 
  - A "battle" no, it's not a battle, it's worse than that.  Raine   Aug-21-11 08:02 PM   #51 
  - At my local DFL meeting last month  dflprincess   Aug-21-11 09:31 PM   #84 
  - You saw the results of '10, right? Was that in a bubble, too?  tblue   Aug-21-11 10:19 PM   #102 
  - Don't worry about it. Obama has Slain Ghadaffi...and it's anothe notch on his belt...  KoKo   Aug-21-11 07:11 PM   #21 
  - ROFL  dionysus   Aug-21-11 08:08 PM   #54 
  - Where exactly do you think it is drifting to?  Starboard Tack   Aug-21-11 07:16 PM   #24 
  - "there is nowhere else to go" and this is what the admin is counting so heavily on  Donnachaidh   Aug-21-11 07:31 PM   #38 
  - Damn right it's counting on it. We have a very big tent.  Starboard Tack   Aug-21-11 08:01 PM   #50 
  - Giving them everything they want and getting nothing in return is NOT compromise  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 08:46 AM   #199 
  - They didn't get everything they wanted.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 11:27 AM   #245 
     - Excuse me. They got 98% of what they wanted. Those crumbs sure are tasty...yum yum  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 12:00 PM   #257 
        - 98%?? Really?  JoePhilly   Aug-22-11 12:28 PM   #269 
           - Absolutely! I got the part of the "left" that people don't take seriously to respond to a known fact  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 12:45 PM   #273 
              - 98% is not a fact ... its a BS number pulled from Boehner's  JoePhilly   Aug-22-11 02:07 PM   #306 
  - We obviously have a very big bus also.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 08:46 AM   #200 
     - Time to pick yourselves up, dust yourselves off and climb back on board.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 11:29 AM   #248 
  - hmmmf. Clue for 1000.00 Alex.  lonestarnot   Aug-22-11 11:57 PM   #412 
  - You aren't fooling ANYone here.  Occulus   Aug-22-11 09:55 AM   #228 
  - The left  tama   Aug-21-11 07:16 PM   #25 
  - slowly getting ths shit kicked out of them (more accurately)  upi402   Aug-21-11 07:16 PM   #26 
  - I await the day when  edhopper   Aug-21-11 07:17 PM   #27 
  - Playing the victim to the utmost  treestar   Aug-21-11 07:18 PM   #28 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Aug-21-11 07:19 PM   #30 
  - More like it was kicked away, rather than drifting away  kenny blankenship   Aug-21-11 07:20 PM   #31 
  - +  Bluebear   Aug-21-11 08:18 PM   #58 
  - See post # 28....  Bobbie Jo   Aug-22-11 06:54 PM   #394 
  - Great post. This is the funny part.  Safetykitten   Aug-21-11 07:24 PM   #35 
  - if they do, they're not a 'lefty' at all  ixion   Aug-21-11 07:45 PM   #42 
  - all 15 of them are going to make a purge?  SwampG8r   Aug-22-11 12:12 AM   #122 
  - The "left" will vote against extreme Republican social values the way they always do.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-21-11 07:34 PM   #39 
  - Excellent points.  Safetykitten   Aug-21-11 07:53 PM   #45 
  - On the contrary, the Left is on the rise.  johnaries   Aug-21-11 07:55 PM   #47 
  - He's not a progressive. He also is not getting re-elected in your wildest dreams.  Safetykitten   Aug-21-11 08:00 PM   #49 
  - .  dionysus   Aug-21-11 08:11 PM   #55 
  - Sounds like wishful thinking, kitten. Is it?  lumpy   Aug-21-11 08:26 PM   #59 
  - Pathetic  Bluebear   Aug-21-11 08:37 PM   #62 
     - I notice that the perfectly legitimate question hasn't been  lumpy   Aug-21-11 08:51 PM   #67 
        - It's not a question though is it?  Bluebear   Aug-21-11 10:08 PM   #97 
  - I agree  MissDeeds   Aug-21-11 09:10 PM   #76 
  - he is not a progressive, and if the economy does not improve  noiretextatique   Aug-21-11 09:14 PM   #77 
  - Of course he isn't "progressive", and if he was...  reACTIONary   Aug-21-11 10:06 PM   #94 
  - You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. A Progressive  sabrina 1   Aug-22-11 03:05 AM   #138 
  - In 2008, Ilona Staller could have won the election...  reACTIONary   Aug-22-11 10:52 PM   #408 
  - I don't know, Sabrina, I never had the impression that...  reACTIONary   Aug-23-11 09:52 PM   #435 
  - How ridiculous.  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 06:06 AM   #160 
  - SHUSH!  katnapped   Aug-22-11 07:10 AM   #174 
  - Did you attend the Ayn Rand School of Logic?  Marr   Aug-22-11 09:47 AM   #221 
  - The fact is, when he was elected to the Senate.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 11:29 AM   #247 
  - A great Conserva-Dem question. If I cant have liberty give me death.  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:45 PM   #301 
  - Let Me Guess  otohara   Aug-22-11 12:19 AM   #123 
  - Oh noes!!!! President Palin!!!11  Bluebear   Aug-22-11 02:30 AM   #134 
  - So what? I'm regularly assured the president is powerless, so long as we control  Marr   Aug-22-11 09:49 AM   #223 
     - excellent retort  Carolina   Aug-22-11 12:41 PM   #272 
        - Yep, it's whatever's convenient at that moment.  Marr   Aug-22-11 02:01 PM   #304 
  - So, the alternative is a Republican?  rasputin1952   Aug-24-11 06:42 AM   #436 
  - ....  woo me with science   Aug-21-11 10:06 PM   #95 
  - He's not progressive. And he has never said he was.  tblue   Aug-21-11 10:17 PM   #101 
  - You really need to define progressive for me  Angry Dragon   Aug-21-11 11:30 PM   #112 
  - That's been clear here since 2008  Bluebear   Aug-21-11 08:18 PM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-11 08:37 PM   #61 
  - Yes, we saw that in 2010 when they voted for Republicans. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-21-11 10:36 PM   #106 
  - Seriously what a dumb shit comment.  MessiahRp   Aug-22-11 03:05 AM   #137 
  - The Hillary v. Obama is the PERFECT argument for the devil you know  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 08:53 AM   #202 
  - Lol, that's why Demo leaning Indies deserted the party in 2010!  sabrina 1   Aug-22-11 05:09 AM   #143 
  - And attitudes like this  Puglover   Aug-22-11 07:41 AM   #177 
  - That's all they got  durablend   Aug-22-11 08:02 AM   #185 
  - How to win friends and influence people.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 09:07 AM   #207 
  - Like they did in 2010?  myrna minx   Aug-22-11 11:02 AM   #241 
  - yeah that bs mushy middle that always collapses  tgal   Aug-22-11 03:00 PM   #325 
  - no matter what the Democrat might stand for ?  Pavlo   Aug-21-11 08:49 PM   #64 
  - It's difficult to smile when your heart is breaking  udbcrzy2   Aug-21-11 08:55 PM   #70 
  - "...they are our corporate whores."  unkachuck   Aug-21-11 08:56 PM   #71 
  - We'll meet again  GreenArrow   Aug-21-11 09:20 PM   #79 
  - Beautiful song  Bluebear   Aug-21-11 10:09 PM   #98 
  - I donb't belong to any organized political party,  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Aug-21-11 09:22 PM   #80 
  - This leftist voted straight D ticket in 2010 -  TBF   Aug-21-11 10:00 PM   #93 
  - K&R  woo me with science   Aug-21-11 10:06 PM   #96 
  - Corporate Whore Dems  otohara   Aug-21-11 10:28 PM   #105 
  - Read Rules For Radicals by Saul Alinsky and call us in the morning. nt  Modern_Matthew   Aug-21-11 10:38 PM   #107 
  - Nice rant, but can you qualify ANY single point??  cliffordu   Aug-21-11 10:43 PM   #108 
  - Damn Spot On.......  Bobbie Jo   Aug-22-11 07:34 PM   #398 
  - When you have time to come down off that cross, I'd like to point out that..  scheming daemons   Aug-21-11 10:51 PM   #109 
  - Ah yes, that "what Americans want" canard  katnapped   Aug-22-11 07:05 AM   #173 
  - Seriously? that sounds just the opposite of reality.  dbonds   Aug-22-11 09:27 AM   #212 
  - "The ones on this site most treated like dog crap are those that support the President"  Mr Deltoid   Aug-22-11 10:34 AM   #233 
  - Bottom line: Everyone needs to vote in 2012, otherwise the other side wins. n/t  Tx4obama   Aug-22-11 12:29 AM   #124 
  - Oh it doesn't matter if they get in line and vote for Democrats or not.  JoeyT   Aug-22-11 02:07 AM   #129 
  - You nailed that. nt  pecwae   Aug-22-11 04:42 AM   #141 
  - You know what's even worse? They'll be denounced as "irrelevant" if Obama does win.  Marr   Aug-22-11 09:55 AM   #227 
  - There is no real left left in America. n/t  Mimosa   Aug-22-11 02:34 AM   #135 
  - There is where I live. Maybe Vermont is the last bastion of liberalism.  cali   Aug-22-11 05:36 AM   #150 
  - Yes there is  Mr Deltoid   Aug-22-11 10:43 AM   #234 
  - Since Democrats appear to have adopted the same Straussion economic goals of the the neocons  Dragonfli   Aug-22-11 02:37 AM   #136 
  - +1000000000000. Can you make this an OP? n/t  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 08:57 AM   #203 
  - Such an OP would likely be deleted, I don't know how to say it in acceptable "party speak" /nt  Dragonfli   Aug-22-11 01:59 PM   #303 
  - Well said my friend. Well said.  Desertrose   Aug-22-11 12:05 PM   #260 
  - Were it not for help from you and others, I would still be unable to post.  Dragonfli   Aug-22-11 02:02 PM   #305 
     - Just wish I could do more to change things, ya know?  Desertrose   Aug-22-11 03:19 PM   #330 
        - I'm with you both.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-26-11 10:38 AM   #444 
  - K&R Dragonfli  Carolina   Aug-22-11 12:48 PM   #274 
  - Excellent logic - if the budget debacle didn't  swilton   Aug-23-11 05:04 PM   #425 
  - Well said, indeed. And what an awesome gif image of the dragonfly.  OneGrassRoot   Aug-24-11 07:27 AM   #438 
     - Thank you, I designed and created that image myself  Dragonfli   Aug-24-11 02:44 PM   #441 
  - So what do we do?  Lunabelle   Aug-22-11 03:06 AM   #139 
  - Kicked and recommended!  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 05:22 AM   #145 
  - "Fall for anything" indeed.  democrank   Aug-22-11 05:37 AM   #151 
  - wow, I understand your pessimism but I don't share it  Demonaut   Aug-22-11 05:44 AM   #154 
  - it is moving incrementally right not left  dameocrat67   Aug-22-11 05:55 AM   #157 
  - Yes, it is changing  Mr Deltoid   Aug-22-11 10:50 AM   #238 
  - i think he will lose mostly because there is no reward in working for him  dameocrat67   Aug-22-11 05:57 AM   #158 
  - "he had demoralized the shit out of everyone."  Enthusiast   Aug-22-11 06:15 AM   #161 
  - Why are so many people "demoralized"?  kentuck   Aug-22-11 06:18 AM   #162 
     - I just read an article about the administration pressuring the  Vinca   Aug-22-11 06:28 AM   #165 
     - once again, details that people seem to ignore here  fascisthunter   Aug-22-11 11:40 AM   #253 
     - The first rule of politics.  Fuddnik   Aug-22-11 09:05 AM   #205 
  - I don't defend or condone collusion and criminal activity.  Joe Fields   Aug-22-11 07:39 AM   #176 
  - To me, it is the proof that our party has been taken over by disaffected pubes  Horse with no Name   Aug-22-11 07:46 AM   #178 
  - "Party (personality) over country"  durablend   Aug-22-11 07:58 AM   #182 
  - they are not "drifting"  paulk   Aug-22-11 08:21 AM   #187 
  - I don't think its as dire as you make it sound.  aikoaiko   Aug-22-11 08:44 AM   #197 
  - That's what happens when you are enthralled by someone's rhetoric  Beacool   Aug-22-11 09:24 AM   #209 
  - The left is still there and strong...  dbonds   Aug-22-11 09:25 AM   #210 
  - Recommend. Thank you.n/t  truth2power   Aug-22-11 09:26 AM   #211 
  - think those changes will happen with a Republicans in control?  pasto76   Aug-22-11 09:40 AM   #215 
  - I don't think we can change the party  marions ghost   Aug-22-11 09:43 AM   #217 
  - I am part of "the left"  BlueMTexpat   Aug-22-11 09:54 AM   #226 
  - Total repub rule?????????  Action   Aug-22-11 09:57 AM   #229 
  - This is exactly how I feel, it's like you read my mind! I've volunteered myself to death for a long  SaveAmerica   Aug-22-11 10:07 AM   #231 
  - K & R  orbitalman   Aug-22-11 10:13 AM   #232 
  - Liberals are a huge voting bloc and should not be "drifting away" -- we need a candidate -- !!  defendandprotect   Aug-22-11 12:16 PM   #263 
  - I question your use of "slowly." Otherwise, I agree entirely.  joanbarnes   Aug-22-11 12:22 PM   #266 
  - True.  midnight   Aug-22-11 12:38 PM   #270 
  - Part of the price of pulling voters away from GOP  ThoughtCriminal   Aug-22-11 01:11 PM   #288 
  - We must not give up the Party to the Conserva-Dems. We must fight for the Party. nm  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:34 PM   #296 
  - Those in DU that continue to attack the left wont tell us what they stand for.  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 01:46 PM   #302 
  - Try not to be too hard on them, they are followers and have fallen for many lies, followers don't  Dragonfli   Aug-22-11 02:09 PM   #309 
  - They love to punch hippies.  Rex   Aug-22-11 02:21 PM   #315 
  - THe term hapless comes to mind. nm  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 02:48 PM   #320 
  - They stand for winning elections!  ibegurpard   Aug-23-11 12:07 AM   #415 
  - It isn't just passion and activism that the left brings  swilton   Aug-22-11 02:19 PM   #313 
  - Thanks, kentuck. You get it.  JDPriestly   Aug-22-11 03:20 PM   #331 
  - I don't understand it?  kentuck   Aug-22-11 03:47 PM   #347 
     - Republicans do not share  Mr Deltoid   Aug-22-11 04:04 PM   #354 
  - Slip Slidin' Away  AsahinaKimi   Aug-22-11 03:21 PM   #332 
  - Eff the Tea party!  KOfan   Aug-22-11 03:27 PM   #334 
  - I am not  creon   Aug-22-11 03:30 PM   #336 
  - Happiness is triangulation in my rear view mirror  inchhigh   Aug-22-11 03:36 PM   #340 
  - K&R  pam4water   Aug-22-11 03:43 PM   #343 
  - It is all the Hippie Punchers out there that have no agenda themselves  Rex   Aug-22-11 03:44 PM   #345 
  - I'm not sure the left is drifting away  davidthegnome   Aug-22-11 04:10 PM   #355 
  - Why don't you climb down off that cross you've nailed yourself to and fight for what you believe in?  AtomicKitten   Aug-22-11 04:36 PM   #360 
  - Dont dare believe we are not going to fight. We will fight to the end to drive the conserva-Dems  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 04:53 PM   #363 
  - The victim mentality and sense of entitlement here are astounding.  AtomicKitten   Aug-22-11 05:08 PM   #366 
     - Your attacks are childish. The "sides" are the corporatists and We The People. I pick We The People'  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 05:17 PM   #368 
        - It's straight talk, not the insipid k&r'ing of every bit of trash talk that comes down the pike.  AtomicKitten   Aug-22-11 05:26 PM   #371 
           - Again, the enemy is the corporatists and they come in all colors and parties. While you fight the  rhett o rick   Aug-22-11 05:35 PM   #374 
  - What I believe in is not Obama.  hay rick   Aug-22-11 05:25 PM   #370 
  - "If Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will not support him in any way."  AtomicKitten   Aug-22-11 05:34 PM   #373 
     - ... generally supportive of progressive ideals. check.  hay rick   Aug-22-11 06:10 PM   #382 
  - stellar repartee.  nashville_brook   Aug-22-11 06:11 PM   #383 
  - We were supposed to start fighting  hulka38   Aug-23-11 08:52 PM   #433 
  - I still support him.  SylviaD   Aug-22-11 04:49 PM   #361 
  - Democrat till I die  Joey Liberal   Aug-22-11 05:22 PM   #369 
  - Your mind is drifting away.  DCBob   Aug-22-11 05:30 PM   #372 
  - Yeah, but they're supposed to get better, not worse.  DeSwiss   Aug-22-11 06:53 PM   #393 
  - I don't think this world we live in TODAY is much different from FDR & Great Depression..  KoKo   Aug-22-11 07:29 PM   #396 
     - Why?  Bobbie Jo   Aug-22-11 08:05 PM   #399 
        - You think there aren't people doing exactly the same thing today?  sabrina 1   Aug-23-11 09:04 PM   #434 
           - 14. nt  Bobbie Jo   Aug-24-11 07:24 AM   #437 
  - K&R When the left is gone, there will be nothing left.  Jakes Progress   Aug-22-11 10:42 PM   #406 
  - Not I!  lonestarnot   Aug-22-11 11:58 PM   #413 
  - Why would the left be happy about anything in an era of lower revenues?  dkf   Aug-23-11 07:41 AM   #417 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-11 03:58 AM   #448 
 

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