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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 02:50 AM
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21. I still had my hopes up at the time.
It took me until December last year before I finally concluded that Obama is another neoliberal. Some people like you tried to tell me better but it was a long and painful process for me, letting go of hope.
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  -Would You Be Happier With Obama If He Was The Anti-Bush? mattclearing  Aug-20-11 01:42 AM   #0 
  - WWMHD?  Kennah   Aug-20-11 01:45 AM   #1 
  - I know.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 01:49 AM   #4 
     - Wasn't a winning strategy?! He won 2 terms. Yes, he should have been the Anti-Bush.  FarLeftFist   Aug-20-11 11:50 PM   #37 
  - But Bush did get most of what he wanted.  begin_within   Aug-20-11 01:48 AM   #2 
  - What if that meant Obama would break deals, get shot at?  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 01:54 AM   #5 
  - I have seen this mentioned before and just do not buy it  Angry Dragon   Aug-20-11 03:20 AM   #24 
  - I agree with everything you've said.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 04:03 AM   #25 
  - His life is on the line...  butterfly77   Aug-21-11 04:14 AM   #38 
  - No, it is not worth a life. In general though,  begin_within   Aug-20-11 09:44 AM   #32 
  - Bs. Prove that. Make a list of what Bush wanted and what he got  treestar   Aug-21-11 04:25 AM   #39 
  - He wouldn't be pulling the electorate to the left but catching up with them.  EFerrari   Aug-20-11 01:49 AM   #3 
  - If only Congress acted based on polls.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 01:57 AM   #6 
     - No. He campaigned on the public option. On ending the Iraq war. On ending tax breaks to outsourcers.  Bluebear   Aug-20-11 02:11 AM   #7 
     - He does have a mixed to poor record on those promises.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 04:40 AM   #26 
     - You asked about the president dragging the electorate to the left.  EFerrari   Aug-20-11 02:12 AM   #8 
        - I said that if Obama went for the public option he might have gotten nothing.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 02:17 AM   #10 
           - Nothing v. inflicting the health insurance industry further on the public?  EFerrari   Aug-20-11 02:21 AM   #13 
              - I was shocked when he went for the individual mandate.  Lasher   Aug-20-11 02:41 AM   #18 
              - I wasn't shocked by the mandate..  Fumesucker   Aug-20-11 02:44 AM   #19 
                 - I still had my hopes up at the time.  Lasher   Aug-20-11 02:50 AM   #21 
              - And yet, more people will survive and afford illness than if nothing had passed.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 03:17 AM   #23 
  - All the Democratic nominee had to do to win in the General election was not be George W. Bush  Lasher   Aug-20-11 02:16 AM   #9 
  - Yup. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-20-11 02:18 AM   #11 
  - And yet, none of the other three competitive Dem candidates were any better.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 02:20 AM   #12 
     - Correct, somebody more progressive was not waiting in the wings. But that was not your assertion.  Lasher   Aug-20-11 02:28 AM   #15 
     - Your celebration is premature.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 02:39 AM   #17 
        - You were clearly talking about the General, not the Primary.  Lasher   Aug-20-11 02:45 AM   #20 
           - You're giving some imaginary person magical electoral powers.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 03:15 AM   #22 
     - This points to a problem within our party. Progressives are excluded from positions...  JVS   Aug-20-11 08:59 AM   #31 
        - *dingdingdingdingdingding*  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 11:47 PM   #36 
  - I would be way happier if Obama would just lay off the fucking REPUKE messaging  eridani   Aug-20-11 02:28 AM   #14 
  - As would I. n/t  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 02:37 AM   #16 
  - I want a president who isn't afraid to piss off the powerful.  Selatius   Aug-20-11 04:43 AM   #27 
  - I agree it would be better to have a bolder President.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 05:03 AM   #28 
  - Drag the people kicking and screaming????  aka-chmeee   Aug-20-11 08:52 AM   #29 
  - The far right has been so strong for so long that your hypothetical scenario  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-20-11 08:56 AM   #30 
  - I would like to have a strong advocate for progressive priorities in the White House too.  mattclearing   Aug-20-11 11:27 PM   #34 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-20-11 09:44 AM   #33 
  - Obviously it's so much better to have him be a continuation of Bush policies  AlabamaLibrul   Aug-20-11 11:43 PM   #35 
  - umm he could act like a Democrat. That'd make me happy  think   Aug-21-11 04:40 AM   #40 
  - Be a president that has convictions about some issues..  dmosh42   Aug-21-11 05:03 AM   #41 

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