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Fri Aug-19-11 02:41 PM
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| 79. There are VERY few if any "moderate" republicans, even the everyday dittoheads just repeat what |
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...Rush says. The LIV republicans seem crazy to the point of ignoring reality...
When one says moderte I can't imagine them talking about GOPers say it has to be dems no?
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| -Did the left have the same disdain toward Jimmy Carter as they do for Obama? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 01:50 PM |
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"Far left:" Democrats who still believe in Democratic principles |
villager |
Aug-19-11 01:51 PM |
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No those who reflexively ignore effects of crazy congress and heap all blame on Obama |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 01:53 PM |
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Yes, he was primaried by Teddy Kennedy |
Lunabelle |
Aug-19-11 01:54 PM |
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kennedy = "far left"? |
indurancevile |
Aug-19-11 01:55 PM |
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Far liberal anyway |
Lunabelle |
Aug-19-11 01:58 PM |
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The "far" part being "Democratic principles I've been told I have to abandon now!" |
villager |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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Kennedy was much farther to the left compared to what passes as the |
joeybee12 |
Aug-19-11 04:48 PM |
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That's the way it seems. |
Octafish |
Aug-19-11 02:11 PM |
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Actually there was a very rabid RW hatred of Carter for not attacking Iran ..!!! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:55 PM |
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He drew Kennedy as a primary opponent |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 01:54 PM |
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...and Kennedy voted against him on healthcare, WTF?! Why were they fighting? The left fought Carter |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 01:56 PM |
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Some people prefer imaginary ideological purity over ever actually accomplishing anything. |
TheWraith |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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Agreed, I'm doubling my support for Obama...the left didn't like Carter so let RayGun the crazy in?! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:07 PM |
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Reagan and Bush ''cheated'' in 1980. |
Octafish |
Aug-19-11 02:14 PM |
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Didn't someone from the far left run against Carter and Raygun splitting the Carter vote? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:19 PM |
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No. It was a moderate Republican named John Anderson. |
Octafish |
Aug-19-11 02:26 PM |
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I saw Anderson as more of a liberal Republican |
hifiguy |
Aug-19-11 02:31 PM |
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gottcha, he was a moderat con not a moderate dem...so how in the hell did RayGun win!?!??! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:36 PM |
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Maybe it wasn't the "far left" after all. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:40 PM |
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I remember voting for Anderson, strangely enough |
hyphenate |
Aug-19-11 06:00 PM |
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100% our way? |
LondonReign2 |
Aug-19-11 02:20 PM |
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60% then...it seems like if the far left don't get the 60% they're gone..shit, I'll take 51% and not |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:22 PM |
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And how do you like the 2% you're actually getting? |
LondonReign2 |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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A LOT better than -50% under the crazies...You see, the baby is better in the tub than on the floor |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:00 PM |
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That should be the 2012 campaign slogan: "Woohoo! 2%!" |
LondonReign2 |
Aug-19-11 03:05 PM |
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Still dems are best of the option! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:15 PM |
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some people vote with the courage of their convictions while others vote based on political expedien |
LanternWaste |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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Carter was a rather prickly personality to deal with |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 02:06 PM |
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Policy wise RayGun was the worst thing to happen to America, he was a racist bastard who lied and |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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obviously Reagan was horrid |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 02:25 PM |
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I wonder why Obama admires Reagan so much, then. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:36 PM |
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better make it triple double |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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The left didn't elect Reagan. "Independents" and DLC bluedogs did. |
saras |
Aug-19-11 03:17 PM |
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Alleged Dems for Reagan did it as well -- or the computers did it -- who can say for sure??? |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 06:01 PM |
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Carter would be likened to Ron Paul today for his deregulation |
banned from Kos |
Aug-19-11 01:59 PM |
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No---they hated Johnson. |
jzola |
Aug-19-11 02:13 PM |
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actually the Congress for Carter's first two years |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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YES!!! I saw this, Carter had a left leaning congress |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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of course Carter had a liberal Congress - the GOP was moderate then |
banned from Kos |
Aug-19-11 02:39 PM |
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Whoa ... in 1978, "with Dems in full power"....Dems colluded with GOP to break tax code ..... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:47 PM |
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Not exactly --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:48 PM |
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Yes n/t |
malaise |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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There was discontent of the "far left" |
hifiguy |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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lolaw "..here there be dragons..", nice. Again, why are the people who crtisize Obama IGNORING crazy |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:06 PM |
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If not for the "far left" there would be no Civil Rights. The phrase is offensive. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:03 PM |
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Oh, and unrec for the offensive phrase. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:04 PM |
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What phrase should I use, it looks like Obama is polling in the 80s for liberal decrats on the avg.. |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:09 PM |
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The people "who seem to hate" Obama aren't Democrats at all. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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Death is not the end of hate, hate can be just wishing the worst for the guy. For real, the people.. |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:18 PM |
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:20 PM |
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Typical, very typical...that's seems far leftish to me, I did what a DU thread did the other day and |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:23 PM |
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I can believe that you are more informed than a freeper. You are uninformed about the left. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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I was around.. and it was bloody awful.. |
Peacetrain |
Aug-19-11 02:04 PM |
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What I remember is |
KT2000 |
Aug-19-11 02:48 PM |
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I was in Minneapolis at the the time.. and locally.. that is all I can speak of |
Peacetrain |
Aug-19-11 02:55 PM |
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Thx, that's what I'm getting on google searches too...he didn't get along with dem establishment so |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:02 PM |
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Both Jerry Brown and Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in the 1980 Primary... |
Ozymanithrax |
Aug-19-11 02:06 PM |
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It wasn't so much disdain as boredom. |
DURHAM D |
Aug-19-11 02:07 PM |
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My Father Was A Big Union Guy and He Hated Jimmy Carter |
Yavin4 |
Aug-19-11 02:07 PM |
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Didnt RayGun express his hatred towards unions at one time? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:10 PM |
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He broke PatCo.. and started the union busting scenario that has been |
Peacetrain |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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Unlike Rick Perry, Reagan Had That Pleasant Personality and Charm |
Yavin4 |
Aug-19-11 02:30 PM |
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Ah, so Raygun didn't fit the mold of todays crazies...he at least tried to hid his nuttiness |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:32 PM |
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First you'd have to define to me what you think the far left is |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-11 02:10 PM |
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...those who will give up the adequate ignoring the effects of a crazy congress. Obama is polling in |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:11 PM |
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Alas that is not a definition of left |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-11 02:20 PM |
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Let me get this straight |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 03:13 PM |
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And yet another OP trying to paint liberalism as extreme. |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-11 02:10 PM |
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Letting RayGun in cause Carter wasn't good enough isn't liberal to me at all. It seems like |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:12 PM |
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Here is a reality sandwich for you. |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-11 02:19 PM |
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I don't want to make stuff up or listen to people who do, I see a guy who's tryin...I'm not going... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:21 PM |
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You are making stuff up. You are either woefully uninformed or you have another agenda. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:21 PM |
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Yeap, same response I get out of the freepers once they're shut down...just name calling... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:26 PM |
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Name Calling... like using "Far Left" in your OP? |
bvar22 |
Aug-19-11 05:33 PM |
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I suspect he just finished high school. |
DURHAM D |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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Poster says that he was 8 years old in 1982. Puts him at 37 now. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:30 PM |
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Missed that - its the something else. nt |
DURHAM D |
Aug-19-11 02:38 PM |
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A bit early to be drinking heavily but it is Friday. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:41 PM |
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Your PM is apparently turned off. |
DURHAM D |
Aug-20-11 07:59 AM |
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We shouldn't repeat the bad parts of history no matter how old or young I am, this open disdain... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:35 PM |
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It's bizarre that you're blaming the election of Reagan on liberals. |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:39 PM |
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And Obama is a great admirer of Reagan. The OP doesn't want to talk about that. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:39 PM |
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Can you link and quote Obama sayin he admired Raygun, thx in advance |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:42 PM |
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Sure. Here's one example. There are many others. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:49 PM |
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can you link AND QUOTE him saying that he admired RayGun, I dont' see Obama saying thatin yuor link |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:51 PM |
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Play the video at the link. It shows Obama talking about Reagan. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:52 PM |
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He never said he admired RayGun, he liked aspects of his actions etc but never 'admired' the man |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:57 PM |
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Well, I don't like "aspects of his actions" or anything whatsoever about Reagan. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 06:52 PM |
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Well, I don't like "aspects of his actions" or anything whatsoever about Reagan. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 06:52 PM |
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There are VERY few if any "moderate" republicans, even the everyday dittoheads just repeat what |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:41 PM |
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I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say. |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:44 PM |
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ok, ok...you're saying there were more conservative dems back then than now, I don't talk to many... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:47 PM |
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You're a conservative Democrat yourself. You have disdain for the left. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:50 PM |
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If by "moderate" you mean I'm not going to heap all the blame on Obama seeing a crazy congress & its |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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I didn't call you a moderate. I called you a conservative Democrat. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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Put whatever words or word you want, I'm doubling my support of Obama not because he's EVERYTHING I |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:58 PM |
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I'm sure that he'll appreciate that. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 06:44 PM |
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What does that have to do with the fact that Reagan's landslide was given him by Reagan Democrats? |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 03:02 PM |
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He is working to enact the Third Way agenda. |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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Take it up with your fellow "moderates", ie "Reagan Democrats". |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:35 PM |
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K, RayGun was crazy to me...kinda like Perry or Bush but with more wit (that aint sayin much) so why |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:38 PM |
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Why does Obama keep saying that he admires Reagan? |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:40 PM |
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*You're* asking *me* why some Democrats voted for Reagan? |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:41 PM |
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Yes, for those who knew back then maybe they can give some perspective. Please link and quote Obama |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:44 PM |
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I love how these arguments always conveniently forget the hostage crisis... |
JHB |
Aug-19-11 07:35 PM |
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I was a Carter fan, but... |
Wait Wut |
Aug-19-11 02:12 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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as soon as you say 'far left' |
bowens43 |
Aug-19-11 02:16 PM |
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Those who are willing to give up good enough to let people like Perry in don't seem like the middle |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:25 PM |
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Honey, the far left were the remnants of SDS, WU, SLA, BP and the like... |
Melinda |
Aug-19-11 02:18 PM |
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+1. My political positions haven't changed that much in 30 years, |
gkhouston |
Aug-19-11 02:45 PM |
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And don't forget that you hate Obama. Aren't you ashamed?! |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:53 PM |
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I think you mistake a few noisy, mostly annonomous posters |
ChandlerJr |
Aug-19-11 02:24 PM |
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You just made this thread. SPOT ON on every point |
Number23 |
Aug-19-11 07:03 PM |
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You sound bitter. |
City Lights |
Aug-19-11 02:25 PM |
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Not bitter, just can't imagine history repeating itself |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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"far left" from you, "true democrats" from others that agree with you, and you wonder why there's no |
Divine Discontent |
Aug-19-11 02:28 PM |
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Obama was never giving a controlling majority for more than 5months!! MAJORITY means NOTHING when... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:49 PM |
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Jimmy Carter was a good President. |
oldlib |
Aug-19-11 02:31 PM |
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They had the same disdain for Reagan, and our current president is a lot closer to Reagan than |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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wow, is he closer to Bush than carter? seriously?! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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I said Reagan. |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 03:04 PM |
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No, Jimmy Carter was a Democrat. |
dtexdem |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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Obama EARNED the lefts disdain and congress had NOTHING to do with it?! This is the shit I'm talking |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:50 PM |
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its not the crazies, its how obama responded to crazy by saying "youre right: austerity for poor" |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 02:57 PM |
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So you think he'd say that if congress was full of progressives? I think people can see a person wit |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:59 PM |
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lol, if hes that swayed by peer pressure |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 03:03 PM |
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You're kidding right?! So talk tough and get nothng done?! ISn't that what Kennedy said he regreted? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:04 PM |
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Politics 101 |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 03:11 PM |
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LOL!! You have a number one but not 2, 3 or 4....come on, that's not pratical |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:14 PM |
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Absolutely. He would and he does, every time he talks to progressives. |
saras |
Aug-19-11 03:23 PM |
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The path of least resistance. One man's "practical" is another man's "amoral". n/t |
gkhouston |
Aug-19-11 04:41 PM |
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enough disdain to primary him n/t |
Enrique |
Aug-19-11 02:46 PM |
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Pretty much. Both of them are status quo, centrist, pablum Democrats. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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that may be a fair cristism of them but the disdain towards them to the point of letting the crazies |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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It is not disdain so much as losing hope. |
madfloridian |
Aug-19-11 02:58 PM |
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Come on!! Obama promise meter isn't 100% wrong shit, even 50% correct would be good for me... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:03 PM |
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I wasn't really political then. Carter was Southern Baptist, so was I |
madfloridian |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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I had no distain for Carter when he was in office. |
RebelOne |
Aug-19-11 02:58 PM |
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No. Carter actually remembered and did what he promised in campaign speeches |
Donnachaidh |
Aug-19-11 03:17 PM |
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And what was that? Carter's legislative record was libertarian |
banned from Kos |
Aug-19-11 03:47 PM |
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My husband and I voted for Carter after the race had already been called |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-11 03:38 PM |
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He was perceived more as a country bumpkin |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-19-11 03:44 PM |
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President Carter was so Milquetoast |
Riftaxe |
Aug-19-11 04:33 PM |
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Ted. Kennedy. Challenge. Next question? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-19-11 04:46 PM |
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Everyone hated Carter -- "ABC" ... "anybody but Carter".... except those of us who pitied him... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:40 PM |
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Yes. |
Tiggeroshii |
Aug-19-11 05:50 PM |
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Fuck no because Jimmy Carter is white... |
rury |
Aug-19-11 05:51 PM |
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Jimmy Carter was a better man |
hyphenate |
Aug-19-11 05:56 PM |
#139 |
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Help, it's the attack of the PavRovian Concern Trolls Again!!!! n/t |
robdogbucky |
Aug-19-11 07:25 PM |
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No. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-19-11 07:32 PM |
#146 |
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I think so. I was in high school, but I remember terms like, |
Countdown_3_2_1 |
Aug-20-11 08:10 AM |
#149 |
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