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Fri Aug-19-11 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 32. The people "who seem to hate" Obama aren't Democrats at all. |
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You would do well to remember that "hate" isn't just a game and there are a lot of people who really do hate Obama and want him dead, and none of them are part of what you foolishly refer to as "the far left."
You've forgotten or maybe never knew the real enemies. Lucky you.
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| -Did the left have the same disdain toward Jimmy Carter as they do for Obama? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 01:50 PM |
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"Far left:" Democrats who still believe in Democratic principles |
villager |
Aug-19-11 01:51 PM |
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No those who reflexively ignore effects of crazy congress and heap all blame on Obama |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 01:53 PM |
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Yes, he was primaried by Teddy Kennedy |
Lunabelle |
Aug-19-11 01:54 PM |
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kennedy = "far left"? |
indurancevile |
Aug-19-11 01:55 PM |
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Far liberal anyway |
Lunabelle |
Aug-19-11 01:58 PM |
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The "far" part being "Democratic principles I've been told I have to abandon now!" |
villager |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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Kennedy was much farther to the left compared to what passes as the |
joeybee12 |
Aug-19-11 04:48 PM |
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That's the way it seems. |
Octafish |
Aug-19-11 02:11 PM |
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Actually there was a very rabid RW hatred of Carter for not attacking Iran ..!!! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:55 PM |
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He drew Kennedy as a primary opponent |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 01:54 PM |
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...and Kennedy voted against him on healthcare, WTF?! Why were they fighting? The left fought Carter |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 01:56 PM |
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Some people prefer imaginary ideological purity over ever actually accomplishing anything. |
TheWraith |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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Agreed, I'm doubling my support for Obama...the left didn't like Carter so let RayGun the crazy in?! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:07 PM |
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Reagan and Bush ''cheated'' in 1980. |
Octafish |
Aug-19-11 02:14 PM |
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Didn't someone from the far left run against Carter and Raygun splitting the Carter vote? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:19 PM |
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No. It was a moderate Republican named John Anderson. |
Octafish |
Aug-19-11 02:26 PM |
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I saw Anderson as more of a liberal Republican |
hifiguy |
Aug-19-11 02:31 PM |
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gottcha, he was a moderat con not a moderate dem...so how in the hell did RayGun win!?!??! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:36 PM |
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Maybe it wasn't the "far left" after all. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:40 PM |
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I remember voting for Anderson, strangely enough |
hyphenate |
Aug-19-11 06:00 PM |
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100% our way? |
LondonReign2 |
Aug-19-11 02:20 PM |
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60% then...it seems like if the far left don't get the 60% they're gone..shit, I'll take 51% and not |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:22 PM |
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And how do you like the 2% you're actually getting? |
LondonReign2 |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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A LOT better than -50% under the crazies...You see, the baby is better in the tub than on the floor |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:00 PM |
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That should be the 2012 campaign slogan: "Woohoo! 2%!" |
LondonReign2 |
Aug-19-11 03:05 PM |
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Still dems are best of the option! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:15 PM |
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some people vote with the courage of their convictions while others vote based on political expedien |
LanternWaste |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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Carter was a rather prickly personality to deal with |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 02:06 PM |
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Policy wise RayGun was the worst thing to happen to America, he was a racist bastard who lied and |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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obviously Reagan was horrid |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 02:25 PM |
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I wonder why Obama admires Reagan so much, then. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:36 PM |
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better make it triple double |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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The left didn't elect Reagan. "Independents" and DLC bluedogs did. |
saras |
Aug-19-11 03:17 PM |
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Alleged Dems for Reagan did it as well -- or the computers did it -- who can say for sure??? |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 06:01 PM |
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Carter would be likened to Ron Paul today for his deregulation |
banned from Kos |
Aug-19-11 01:59 PM |
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No---they hated Johnson. |
jzola |
Aug-19-11 02:13 PM |
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actually the Congress for Carter's first two years |
dsc |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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YES!!! I saw this, Carter had a left leaning congress |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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of course Carter had a liberal Congress - the GOP was moderate then |
banned from Kos |
Aug-19-11 02:39 PM |
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Whoa ... in 1978, "with Dems in full power"....Dems colluded with GOP to break tax code ..... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:47 PM |
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Not exactly --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:48 PM |
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Yes n/t |
malaise |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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There was discontent of the "far left" |
hifiguy |
Aug-19-11 02:01 PM |
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lolaw "..here there be dragons..", nice. Again, why are the people who crtisize Obama IGNORING crazy |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:06 PM |
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If not for the "far left" there would be no Civil Rights. The phrase is offensive. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:03 PM |
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Oh, and unrec for the offensive phrase. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:04 PM |
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What phrase should I use, it looks like Obama is polling in the 80s for liberal decrats on the avg.. |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:09 PM |
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The people "who seem to hate" Obama aren't Democrats at all. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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Death is not the end of hate, hate can be just wishing the worst for the guy. For real, the people.. |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:18 PM |
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:20 PM |
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Typical, very typical...that's seems far leftish to me, I did what a DU thread did the other day and |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:23 PM |
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I can believe that you are more informed than a freeper. You are uninformed about the left. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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I was around.. and it was bloody awful.. |
Peacetrain |
Aug-19-11 02:04 PM |
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What I remember is |
KT2000 |
Aug-19-11 02:48 PM |
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I was in Minneapolis at the the time.. and locally.. that is all I can speak of |
Peacetrain |
Aug-19-11 02:55 PM |
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Thx, that's what I'm getting on google searches too...he didn't get along with dem establishment so |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:02 PM |
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Both Jerry Brown and Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in the 1980 Primary... |
Ozymanithrax |
Aug-19-11 02:06 PM |
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It wasn't so much disdain as boredom. |
DURHAM D |
Aug-19-11 02:07 PM |
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My Father Was A Big Union Guy and He Hated Jimmy Carter |
Yavin4 |
Aug-19-11 02:07 PM |
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Didnt RayGun express his hatred towards unions at one time? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:10 PM |
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He broke PatCo.. and started the union busting scenario that has been |
Peacetrain |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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Unlike Rick Perry, Reagan Had That Pleasant Personality and Charm |
Yavin4 |
Aug-19-11 02:30 PM |
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Ah, so Raygun didn't fit the mold of todays crazies...he at least tried to hid his nuttiness |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:32 PM |
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First you'd have to define to me what you think the far left is |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-11 02:10 PM |
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...those who will give up the adequate ignoring the effects of a crazy congress. Obama is polling in |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:11 PM |
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Alas that is not a definition of left |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-11 02:20 PM |
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Let me get this straight |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 03:13 PM |
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And yet another OP trying to paint liberalism as extreme. |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-11 02:10 PM |
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Letting RayGun in cause Carter wasn't good enough isn't liberal to me at all. It seems like |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:12 PM |
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Here is a reality sandwich for you. |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-11 02:19 PM |
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I don't want to make stuff up or listen to people who do, I see a guy who's tryin...I'm not going... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:21 PM |
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You are making stuff up. You are either woefully uninformed or you have another agenda. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:21 PM |
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Yeap, same response I get out of the freepers once they're shut down...just name calling... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:26 PM |
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Name Calling... like using "Far Left" in your OP? |
bvar22 |
Aug-19-11 05:33 PM |
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I suspect he just finished high school. |
DURHAM D |
Aug-19-11 02:27 PM |
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Poster says that he was 8 years old in 1982. Puts him at 37 now. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:30 PM |
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Missed that - its the something else. nt |
DURHAM D |
Aug-19-11 02:38 PM |
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A bit early to be drinking heavily but it is Friday. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:41 PM |
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Your PM is apparently turned off. |
DURHAM D |
Aug-20-11 07:59 AM |
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We shouldn't repeat the bad parts of history no matter how old or young I am, this open disdain... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:35 PM |
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It's bizarre that you're blaming the election of Reagan on liberals. |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:39 PM |
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And Obama is a great admirer of Reagan. The OP doesn't want to talk about that. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:39 PM |
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Can you link and quote Obama sayin he admired Raygun, thx in advance |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:42 PM |
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Sure. Here's one example. There are many others. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:49 PM |
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can you link AND QUOTE him saying that he admired RayGun, I dont' see Obama saying thatin yuor link |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:51 PM |
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Play the video at the link. It shows Obama talking about Reagan. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:52 PM |
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He never said he admired RayGun, he liked aspects of his actions etc but never 'admired' the man |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:57 PM |
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Well, I don't like "aspects of his actions" or anything whatsoever about Reagan. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 06:52 PM |
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Well, I don't like "aspects of his actions" or anything whatsoever about Reagan. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 06:52 PM |
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There are VERY few if any "moderate" republicans, even the everyday dittoheads just repeat what |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:41 PM |
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I honestly can't tell what you're trying to say. |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:44 PM |
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ok, ok...you're saying there were more conservative dems back then than now, I don't talk to many... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:47 PM |
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You're a conservative Democrat yourself. You have disdain for the left. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:50 PM |
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If by "moderate" you mean I'm not going to heap all the blame on Obama seeing a crazy congress & its |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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I didn't call you a moderate. I called you a conservative Democrat. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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Put whatever words or word you want, I'm doubling my support of Obama not because he's EVERYTHING I |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:58 PM |
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I'm sure that he'll appreciate that. |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 06:44 PM |
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What does that have to do with the fact that Reagan's landslide was given him by Reagan Democrats? |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 03:02 PM |
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He is working to enact the Third Way agenda. |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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Take it up with your fellow "moderates", ie "Reagan Democrats". |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:35 PM |
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K, RayGun was crazy to me...kinda like Perry or Bush but with more wit (that aint sayin much) so why |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:38 PM |
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Why does Obama keep saying that he admires Reagan? |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:40 PM |
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*You're* asking *me* why some Democrats voted for Reagan? |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:41 PM |
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Yes, for those who knew back then maybe they can give some perspective. Please link and quote Obama |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:44 PM |
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I love how these arguments always conveniently forget the hostage crisis... |
JHB |
Aug-19-11 07:35 PM |
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I was a Carter fan, but... |
Wait Wut |
Aug-19-11 02:12 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-19-11 02:15 PM |
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as soon as you say 'far left' |
bowens43 |
Aug-19-11 02:16 PM |
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Those who are willing to give up good enough to let people like Perry in don't seem like the middle |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:25 PM |
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Honey, the far left were the remnants of SDS, WU, SLA, BP and the like... |
Melinda |
Aug-19-11 02:18 PM |
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+1. My political positions haven't changed that much in 30 years, |
gkhouston |
Aug-19-11 02:45 PM |
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And don't forget that you hate Obama. Aren't you ashamed?! |
yardwork |
Aug-19-11 02:53 PM |
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I think you mistake a few noisy, mostly annonomous posters |
ChandlerJr |
Aug-19-11 02:24 PM |
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You just made this thread. SPOT ON on every point |
Number23 |
Aug-19-11 07:03 PM |
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You sound bitter. |
City Lights |
Aug-19-11 02:25 PM |
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Not bitter, just can't imagine history repeating itself |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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"far left" from you, "true democrats" from others that agree with you, and you wonder why there's no |
Divine Discontent |
Aug-19-11 02:28 PM |
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Obama was never giving a controlling majority for more than 5months!! MAJORITY means NOTHING when... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:49 PM |
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Jimmy Carter was a good President. |
oldlib |
Aug-19-11 02:31 PM |
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They had the same disdain for Reagan, and our current president is a lot closer to Reagan than |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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wow, is he closer to Bush than carter? seriously?! |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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I said Reagan. |
Marr |
Aug-19-11 03:04 PM |
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No, Jimmy Carter was a Democrat. |
dtexdem |
Aug-19-11 02:33 PM |
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Obama EARNED the lefts disdain and congress had NOTHING to do with it?! This is the shit I'm talking |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:50 PM |
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its not the crazies, its how obama responded to crazy by saying "youre right: austerity for poor" |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 02:57 PM |
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So you think he'd say that if congress was full of progressives? I think people can see a person wit |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:59 PM |
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lol, if hes that swayed by peer pressure |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 03:03 PM |
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You're kidding right?! So talk tough and get nothng done?! ISn't that what Kennedy said he regreted? |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:04 PM |
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Politics 101 |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-19-11 03:11 PM |
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LOL!! You have a number one but not 2, 3 or 4....come on, that's not pratical |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:14 PM |
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Absolutely. He would and he does, every time he talks to progressives. |
saras |
Aug-19-11 03:23 PM |
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The path of least resistance. One man's "practical" is another man's "amoral". n/t |
gkhouston |
Aug-19-11 04:41 PM |
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enough disdain to primary him n/t |
Enrique |
Aug-19-11 02:46 PM |
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Pretty much. Both of them are status quo, centrist, pablum Democrats. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-19-11 02:54 PM |
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that may be a fair cristism of them but the disdain towards them to the point of letting the crazies |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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It is not disdain so much as losing hope. |
madfloridian |
Aug-19-11 02:58 PM |
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Come on!! Obama promise meter isn't 100% wrong shit, even 50% correct would be good for me... |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-11 03:03 PM |
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I wasn't really political then. Carter was Southern Baptist, so was I |
madfloridian |
Aug-19-11 02:56 PM |
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I had no distain for Carter when he was in office. |
RebelOne |
Aug-19-11 02:58 PM |
#106 |
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No. Carter actually remembered and did what he promised in campaign speeches |
Donnachaidh |
Aug-19-11 03:17 PM |
#123 |
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And what was that? Carter's legislative record was libertarian |
banned from Kos |
Aug-19-11 03:47 PM |
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My husband and I voted for Carter after the race had already been called |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-11 03:38 PM |
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He was perceived more as a country bumpkin |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-19-11 03:44 PM |
#126 |
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President Carter was so Milquetoast |
Riftaxe |
Aug-19-11 04:33 PM |
#128 |
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Ted. Kennedy. Challenge. Next question? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-19-11 04:46 PM |
#130 |
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Everyone hated Carter -- "ABC" ... "anybody but Carter".... except those of us who pitied him... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-19-11 05:40 PM |
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Yes. |
Tiggeroshii |
Aug-19-11 05:50 PM |
#136 |
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Fuck no because Jimmy Carter is white... |
rury |
Aug-19-11 05:51 PM |
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Jimmy Carter was a better man |
hyphenate |
Aug-19-11 05:56 PM |
#139 |
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Help, it's the attack of the PavRovian Concern Trolls Again!!!! n/t |
robdogbucky |
Aug-19-11 07:25 PM |
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No. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-19-11 07:32 PM |
#146 |
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I think so. I was in high school, but I remember terms like, |
Countdown_3_2_1 |
Aug-20-11 08:10 AM |
#149 |
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