Pholus
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Wed Aug-17-11 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #54 |
| 61. I'm trying to understand exactly what required correction would be satisfactory here. |
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See, the 2nd paragraph of the article makes it clear that only a single liberal organization. MoveOn, was getting the Rahm potty-mouth treatment. Why lie only for the benefit of people who can't be bothered to read only 69 words past the headline (which at the reading speed of a below average college student -- 340 wpm -- takes just 12 seconds)? What was the plan that required that lie that would be apparent so quickly?
Parson me for saying this, but it seems like we are having a Cardinal Richelieu moment here. In this case, Hamsher is guilty of a "lie" only because the absolute most uncharitable, pedantic reading of the headline could be taken as a lie. To do this reading requires a willful ignorance of English and widely accepted conventions for headline writing as well as ignoring the full article behind the headline.
It smacks of desperation. Surely you have a better example?
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| -Fire Dog Lake charges a thousand dollars to be in their exclusive Gosprey Circle. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 01:35 PM |
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And how much do you have to give to be considered one of the President's "Bundlers?" |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 01:41 PM |
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I did not know FireDogLake was running for President? |
emulatorloo |
Aug-17-11 01:49 PM |
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I was unaware that to read FDL I had to pay it either. Why was this even relevant again? |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 02:22 PM |
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You don't have to pay. I was curious about your comparison to "bundlers'. That seemed irrelevant. |
emulatorloo |
Aug-17-11 02:33 PM |
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I admit, I was poking the OP'ers buttons. But I still question why the OP was relevant as well. |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 02:37 PM |
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Oh he hates FDL, thought you knew. |
Rex |
Aug-18-11 01:14 AM |
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Does it have a company associated with it? |
sudopod |
Aug-17-11 05:54 PM |
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Why doesn't THAT surprise me? |
polmaven |
Aug-17-11 01:42 PM |
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Suckers...nt |
SidDithers |
Aug-17-11 01:42 PM |
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All that "political consultation" ain't cheap. |
MilesColtrane |
Aug-17-11 01:46 PM |
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right or wrong, Jane Hamsher backs up what she says |
Enrique |
Aug-17-11 01:48 PM |
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True, her smear campaigns aren't anonymous. |
emulatorloo |
Aug-17-11 01:51 PM |
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what smear campaigns? |
Enrique |
Aug-17-11 01:57 PM |
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+1 |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-17-11 04:56 PM |
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well she does put her names to her lies. |
Whisp |
Aug-17-11 01:52 PM |
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what lies? |
Enrique |
Aug-17-11 01:57 PM |
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Oh, like the one where Rahm Emanuel called all liberals "fucking retarded". |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 02:07 PM |
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I seem to recall an apology about him using that word. What were the exact circumstances again? |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 02:46 PM |
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At worst, he was addressing people who came to threaten him. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 02:50 PM |
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"came to threaten him" -- so these folks showed up at his doorstep and threatened him? |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 02:52 PM |
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They threatened to run attack ads against incumbents. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 02:53 PM |
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That's a bit different than what you were implying though, wouldn't you say? |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 02:54 PM |
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I was assuming that you knew the story and would put the word "threaten" into that context. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 02:58 PM |
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Sometimes lack of clarity in word choice can seem like a lie. |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 03:00 PM |
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There was a claim that he called all liberals "fucking retarded". |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 03:10 PM |
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Isn't it possible that you are implying the word "all" where it wasn't used? |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 03:15 PM |
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The headline was "Rahm Emanuel: Liberals Are 'F–king Retarded'". |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 03:56 PM |
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So when you read "Americans killed in auto accident" do you assume you are alone in the country? |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 04:29 PM |
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She used a verb form of "to be". |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 05:00 PM |
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Which is appropriate regardless of the number of liberals. |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 05:15 PM |
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The liberal blogosphere ran with the "misinterpretation", and she didn't correct it in the comments. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 05:20 PM |
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I'm trying to understand exactly what required correction would be satisfactory here. |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 08:49 PM |
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The "most uncharitable, pedantic reading" was the preferred one by the liberal blogosphere. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-18-11 01:11 AM |
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Once again, your use of "the" is an implied "all." By your own standards, YOU just lied. |
Pholus |
Aug-18-11 06:39 AM |
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The liberal blogosphere generally did not believe that Jane Hamsher lied. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-18-11 08:06 AM |
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Ummmmm okay? That seems the opposite of your previous post and the topic being Hamsher's lie. |
Pholus |
Aug-18-11 04:04 PM |
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What lies? |
girl gone mad |
Aug-17-11 04:46 PM |
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Well, what are you going to do? |
gratuitous |
Aug-17-11 01:49 PM |
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how much does it cost to be in the DLC? |
Enrique |
Aug-17-11 01:52 PM |
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Who around DU gives a shit about that. I think we can all agree Harold Ford Jr |
emulatorloo |
Aug-17-11 02:10 PM |
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you should go look through her trash |
Enrique |
Aug-17-11 02:00 PM |
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I'm criticizing the site, not an individual person. |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-17-11 02:06 PM |
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It cost between $1000 and $25,000 to have lunch with Michelle Obama. |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-17-11 02:09 PM |
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Again, I did not know FireDogLake was running for President? |
emulatorloo |
Aug-17-11 02:13 PM |
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Michelle is not running for president either. Although I think I'd vote for her - |
TBF |
Aug-17-11 02:57 PM |
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if I had it, I'd pay it. Michelle would be worth it. |
Whisp |
Aug-17-11 02:30 PM |
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I'd sooner give it to a homeless shelter or food bank than waste it on a few minutes with |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-17-11 05:31 PM |
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That's a damn good idea!! |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-17-11 05:03 PM |
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You are a peach. Give us a kiss. |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-17-11 02:07 PM |
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FDL is the best ally the GOP has ever had |
scheming daemons |
Aug-17-11 02:08 PM |
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Yeah and posting garbage on DU is free. |
Rex |
Aug-17-11 02:12 PM |
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Dumping Hamsher's garbage on DU is free too.... |
Bobbie Jo |
Aug-17-11 03:21 PM |
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I don't want to be in a go spray circle. |
Iggo |
Aug-17-11 02:15 PM |
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Sounds elitist. n/t |
Scurrilous |
Aug-17-11 02:22 PM |
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For just 2000, I'll take you to dinner in New York and listen to your bullshit for two hours. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-17-11 02:24 PM |
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Dumb motherfuckers. |
Swede |
Aug-17-11 02:25 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-17-11 02:26 PM |
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Link to actual program, neglected by the OP |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 02:27 PM |
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! |
Bluebear |
Aug-17-11 08:46 PM |
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So what? They try to raise donations from progressives, just like DU and other websites. |
Better Believe It |
Aug-17-11 02:49 PM |
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I think of something that I can send to Firedog Lake with $1,000 |
bluestate10 |
Aug-17-11 08:55 PM |
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For shame! |
whatchamacallit |
Aug-17-11 03:09 PM |
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Your point? |
mmonk |
Aug-17-11 04:06 PM |
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She also runs a PAC that gives very little of their money out. |
Ikonoklast |
Aug-17-11 05:15 PM |
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links here |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-17-11 05:25 PM |
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So, she's like Christine O'Donnell?? |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-17-11 05:29 PM |
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Sounds familiar. |
bluestate10 |
Aug-17-11 08:58 PM |
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At $154000/year (2009) it seems she has no more than 154 of those oh so expensive $1000/year members |
Pholus |
Aug-17-11 09:05 PM |
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And Obama had a 36000 a plate dinner |
Bluebear |
Aug-17-11 05:34 PM |
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They're expensive plates. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-17-11 08:56 PM |
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Huh? Are you having random thoughts? |
Little Star |
Aug-18-11 08:10 AM |
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Next thing will be beer and travel money no doubt.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-18-11 08:11 AM |
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I could never understand the point either were making. |
Little Star |
Aug-18-11 08:14 AM |
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Random Thoughts never seemed to be deliberately provocative.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-18-11 08:25 AM |
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You sound jealous. You want somebody to buy you a ticket? |
MadHound |
Aug-18-11 08:12 AM |
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You're right, that IS cheap. In fact they even have a $45 membership too. |
NorthCarolina |
Aug-18-11 08:26 AM |
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