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Mon Aug-15-11 09:19 PM
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Not sure how serious you are about an answer but here's here goes:
The major parties we (I'm Canadian) have are the following: Conservatives Liberal NDP (New Democratic Party) Bloc Quebecois Green
Here's a brief description of each (with my opinion as to where they would be under the US system): The Conservatives are the right wing establishment party. The US equivalent of the Conservatives nowadays would be the average Republican (and by that, I mean to the right of the moderate Republicans but left of the Tea Party Republicans) but Harper is closer to GBW and appears to want the party pushed further right. The Liberal party is actually our centrist party. The US equivalent would be the moderate Republicans (if any still exist) and the Blue Dog Dems and some centrist Dems as well. The NDP is our establishment left wing party. Its US equivalent would a mix of progressives, left wing Dems, and some centrist Dems (but to the left of the Blue Dogs). The Bloc is a regional party that is in national politics due to their size and to historical reasons. In the last election, they suffered a severe reduction of votes but still managed to get 6% of the popular vote. This sounds horrible but it's enough for almost a quarter of the only province they ran in (23.4% of the Quebec vote). In the past, their vote share was much higher and given a multi-party system, you don't always (or even often) need 50% of the votes to win. The Green Party is a relatively new party and they have been slowly increasing their influence, finally winning a single seat in the last election. They're generally speaking, the US equivalent of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.
(In the above, when I refer to an "establishment party", I mean it in the sense that they've been one of the major political party for decades and are a major component of the political landscape.)
There are a lot of other parties but they're pretty much fringe groups and have no effective power nor any chance of it in the near future (< 20,000 votes out of 14,720,580 - 0.13% for the largest group).
The primarily three party system (as the Bloc only operates in one province and the Green Party is still a minor player) has resulted in a much more fluid political landscape and limits the "us vs them" mentality. (A bigger role in this may be a much reduced sense of political identity - people here usually say they vote for a specific party rather than identifying themselves as part of the party.)
One important thing to note is that the Canadian system has several advantages that gives new parties like the Green Party a chance. Any party that manages to achieve a specified percentage of the popular vote (I think it's 3%) qualifies for public funding. Our elections have much stricter spending limits (regardless of whether you accept public spending or raise the money on your own) so we generally don't have corporations pouring huge sums into campaigns. So, with the Green Party, they struggled through a few elections before they qualified for funding (they still didn't have a seat). Then, with the funding, they managed to keep the momentum up and gained a seat.
Side note: There's no real equivalent of the Presidential vote here. Each party leader runs in their district as normal. They're expected to win at least their home riding. If they lose their seat, on top of being extremely embarrassing, someone else in their party must give up their seat. It would be akin to having then-senator Obama running for his Senate seat as normal, and when the Democratic Party comes out on top, elevating him to President.
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| -I hope Americans won't take offense at what I'm about to say. |
glarius |
Aug-15-11 01:35 PM |
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tell me about it. |
kick-ass-bob |
Aug-15-11 01:37 PM |
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and that's exactly why we neeed 100% publically financed... |
tex-wyo-dem |
Aug-15-11 11:36 PM |
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But what's to stop the wealthy elites |
The Wizard |
Aug-16-11 07:49 AM |
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Ummm, nothing. At least not for the time being. |
EOTE |
Aug-16-11 12:26 PM |
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How many of our legislators |
The Wizard |
Aug-16-11 01:50 PM |
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I don't know, but that's somewhat irrelevant. |
EOTE |
Aug-16-11 02:12 PM |
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So let me get this straight |
The Wizard |
Aug-16-11 04:26 PM |
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I'm fairly certain that's currently illegal. |
EOTE |
Aug-17-11 08:41 AM |
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We welcome your insight. Thanks! K&R You make a valid point. |
jtown1123 |
Aug-15-11 01:38 PM |
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Campaigns Are Great, Free Content for Major Media Companies |
Yavin4 |
Aug-15-11 01:39 PM |
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"Free Content for Major Media Companies" |
DCKit |
Aug-15-11 02:07 PM |
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Do you have term limits in Canada? |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-15-11 01:39 PM |
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I think that's the answer to a lot of our problems. |
Booster |
Aug-15-11 01:40 PM |
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If we go for term limits, then the (few) good ones will have to leave |
librechik |
Aug-15-11 01:43 PM |
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I agree we need to stay away from term limits - there are too many |
jwirr |
Aug-15-11 04:49 PM |
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I think they should do away with the Senate entirely |
librechik |
Aug-15-11 05:02 PM |
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I lived in Nebraska for a while and the only difference I saw was that |
jwirr |
Aug-15-11 05:16 PM |
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mistakes |
donquijoterocket |
Aug-16-11 10:43 AM |
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That will require a Constitutional Amendment... |
MicaelS |
Aug-15-11 06:39 PM |
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With respect... |
ElboRuum |
Aug-15-11 09:21 PM |
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Nope...term limits are not the answer. It's our whole election system that needs revamped... |
tex-wyo-dem |
Aug-15-11 11:49 PM |
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No term limits. |
glarius |
Aug-15-11 01:44 PM |
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No, NNNOLHI, we don't |
AlmostUlyanov |
Aug-16-11 08:13 AM |
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It wasn't always like this. I place much of the blame for |
Greybnk48 |
Aug-15-11 01:40 PM |
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I think you're right. I well remember when we never saw politicians on TV... |
October |
Aug-15-11 04:21 PM |
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You mean we never saw them unless they were actually doing |
jwirr |
Aug-15-11 04:51 PM |
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Or caught doing something that was not their job, |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-16-11 12:19 PM |
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Show business for the ugly and untalented (NT) |
The Wizard |
Aug-16-11 07:51 AM |
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Remember that MSM gets 80% of the campaign funds for TV ads ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-15-11 08:48 PM |
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Yeah, everything is turned political here... |
octothorpe |
Aug-16-11 09:03 AM |
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In America, elections are part of the entetainment industry and real money makers. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-15-11 01:40 PM |
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It's reality teevee |
Mosaic |
Aug-16-11 08:19 AM |
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you are absolutely right and we hate it too-- |
librechik |
Aug-15-11 01:40 PM |
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No offense taken. Just so you know.... |
tawadi |
Aug-15-11 01:41 PM |
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I take no offense |
Marrah_G |
Aug-15-11 01:42 PM |
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You sound lahk one of them thar furriners. |
Ikonoklast |
Aug-15-11 01:43 PM |
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Pfft |
Enthusiast |
Aug-15-11 05:02 PM |
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Thanks for your thoughts. I envy you guys up north. |
Ship of Fools |
Aug-15-11 01:43 PM |
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I agree with you and would bet about 90% of Americans |
doc03 |
Aug-15-11 01:58 PM |
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The other 10% is corporate execs and professional politicians. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-16-11 12:21 PM |
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Why would anyone hate you for making an observation? A true one at that. |
Dragonfli |
Aug-15-11 01:59 PM |
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Well said dragonfli! n/t |
lordsummerisle |
Aug-15-11 08:50 PM |
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"The Gladiators" |
marions ghost |
Aug-15-11 02:01 PM |
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Commercial America |
Gregorian |
Aug-15-11 02:02 PM |
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Is that a Gregorian chant? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-16-11 12:23 PM |
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Gothic |
Gregorian |
Aug-16-11 10:02 PM |
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American politicians want us to not know when and how something works well in another country. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Aug-15-11 02:09 PM |
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No offense |
atreides1 |
Aug-15-11 02:09 PM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Aug-15-11 02:10 PM |
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No hate here, you're absolutely right. |
Shandris |
Aug-15-11 02:12 PM |
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Parliamentary system allows for it |
treestar |
Aug-15-11 02:14 PM |
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you are so right and no offense taken |
dana_b |
Aug-15-11 02:14 PM |
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It is a distraction |
blindpig |
Aug-15-11 02:20 PM |
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Another part of the problem is that we haven't neutered our upper house |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-15-11 02:21 PM |
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How did others go about doing that -- what would it require here? |
defendandprotect |
Aug-15-11 08:49 PM |
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It would require a constitutional amendment here |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-15-11 10:50 PM |
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Do recall that the Founders -- guess I should say the liberal Founders --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-16-11 02:07 AM |
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The Senate was invented as a compromise between more populous/less populous states. |
Selatius |
Aug-16-11 05:11 AM |
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The campaign 'culture' never ends... |
ClusterFreak |
Aug-15-11 02:30 PM |
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Hate you? No, I AGREE with you completely |
get the red out |
Aug-15-11 02:43 PM |
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I completely agree. The Kochs are buying up our country and we have to stop them. |
Initech |
Aug-15-11 02:47 PM |
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It used to not be that way |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-15-11 02:49 PM |
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You're preaching to the choir |
vssmith |
Aug-15-11 03:38 PM |
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I think a two-year term for Representatives is ridiculously short. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-15-11 03:40 PM |
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It is...Most first-time House Reps |
Blue_Tires |
Aug-15-11 06:33 PM |
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+1 --- What about limiting some of those "perks" -- ??? |
defendandprotect |
Aug-15-11 08:50 PM |
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the American System was set up in a way which does make it harder to get things done than in other |
JI7 |
Aug-15-11 03:42 PM |
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Our Constitution is schizophrenic, for one --- but Thom Hartmann commented a while ago.... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-15-11 08:53 PM |
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next to american idol, it seems as if campaigning also never ends nor begins... |
Javaman |
Aug-15-11 03:45 PM |
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Too bad more people don't pay more attention to politics |
julian09 |
Aug-15-11 05:26 PM |
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ask me sometime about how I would change our election system... |
Javaman |
Aug-15-11 05:52 PM |
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TV is the great distration -- from I love Lucy generation to ESPN generation --- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-15-11 08:54 PM |
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Heavens, no, I don't hate you. It's the TRUTH! |
Desertrose |
Aug-15-11 03:45 PM |
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Thanks for your comments |
MissDeeds |
Aug-15-11 04:09 PM |
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America is a mountain of propaganda built on a valley of lies. nt |
valerief |
Aug-15-11 04:11 PM |
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You are totally right - |
lynne |
Aug-15-11 04:16 PM |
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It's About Money |
november3rd |
Aug-15-11 04:17 PM |
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I'm for doing it your way. We desperately need campaign reform here. |
Harriety |
Aug-15-11 04:21 PM |
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K&R |
muffin1 |
Aug-15-11 04:25 PM |
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No offense |
Philippine expat |
Aug-15-11 04:27 PM |
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our politicians probably spend 3 of 5 days of the week blowing some CEO for a bribe |
dogmoma56 |
Aug-15-11 04:38 PM |
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You've noticed that too? |
BiggJawn |
Aug-15-11 04:40 PM |
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Glarius, how many different political parties are there in Canada? Here, we have the left wing and |
Citizen Worker |
Aug-15-11 04:42 PM |
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Don't forget... |
BiggJawn |
Aug-15-11 04:45 PM |
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We also have the |
Enthusiast |
Aug-15-11 05:05 PM |
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You'll know when the Far Right is ready for permanent control... |
SteveM |
Aug-15-11 05:35 PM |
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No. |
Enthusiast |
Aug-15-11 05:55 PM |
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I prefer not to hijack the thread... |
SteveM |
Aug-15-11 06:40 PM |
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Parties in Canada |
HappyCynic |
Aug-15-11 09:19 PM |
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I'm going to disagree with you on the party comparisons w/the US |
laundry_queen |
Aug-16-11 03:17 PM |
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You may have a point. My father always said FDR was able to do |
jwirr |
Aug-15-11 04:44 PM |
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Not offended, glarius. Point well taken. |
Demoiselle |
Aug-15-11 04:54 PM |
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How could we possibly disagree? |
Enthusiast |
Aug-15-11 04:54 PM |
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Great observation |
swilton |
Aug-15-11 05:02 PM |
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Interesting idea (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Aug-15-11 05:08 PM |
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Of course, you are right. They never stop long enough to govern. |
EFerrari |
Aug-15-11 05:19 PM |
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This american totally agrees with you and wish we would go with your system. |
southernyankeebelle |
Aug-15-11 05:21 PM |
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I hate that about this country |
lunatica |
Aug-15-11 05:21 PM |
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This wan't the case a few generations ago... |
SteveM |
Aug-15-11 05:31 PM |
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We should be called the United States of Elections |
proReality |
Aug-15-11 05:49 PM |
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However, staggering elections keeps nutcase parties from sweeping into total power. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Aug-15-11 05:51 PM |
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You are exactly right, and the politicians like it that way |
demigoddess |
Aug-15-11 07:10 PM |
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It's not our election system as much as it's our divided powers of government. |
JVS |
Aug-15-11 07:16 PM |
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I don't hate you for what you said... |
ejbr |
Aug-15-11 07:27 PM |
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It seems like the perpetual campaigning is one way for Corporations |
avebury |
Aug-15-11 07:32 PM |
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Hate? No. More like Envy. n/t |
hootinholler |
Aug-15-11 07:32 PM |
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Yes, our system flatout sucks. |
polichick |
Aug-15-11 07:41 PM |
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You're just trying to make us jealous. Unfortunately, running for office is an industry in the USA. |
Dollface |
Aug-15-11 07:53 PM |
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IMO part of it is because every state wants to have the first primary. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-15-11 08:01 PM |
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I'm not sure where you get that we only have an eleciton every 4 or 5 years. We've had a federal |
Dave From Canada |
Aug-15-11 08:03 PM |
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That was a bit of an anomaly |
laundry_queen |
Aug-16-11 03:19 PM |
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Oooh, we LOVE this guy (or woman) .. Yay we elected him/her.. Now, who's next.. this guy stinks |
SoCalDem |
Aug-15-11 08:11 PM |
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Rub our noses in it, why don't you. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Aug-15-11 08:14 PM |
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As long as someone is making money... |
IrishAle |
Aug-15-11 08:37 PM |
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We have a lotta problems ... including that Congress' schedule is being set around fund-raising !!! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-15-11 08:40 PM |
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Exactly. And people wonder why nothing gets done in this f**king country. |
marmar |
Aug-15-11 08:51 PM |
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One of the reasons things get done in a parliamentary gov't.... |
BlueDemKev |
Aug-15-11 08:51 PM |
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I've never understood it, either |
Canuckistanian |
Aug-15-11 08:56 PM |
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Correct-a-mundo. Only in the last decade or so |
pasto76 |
Aug-15-11 09:13 PM |
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Until we term limit the House and the Senate... |
ElboRuum |
Aug-15-11 09:14 PM |
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FYIthe last 20 years things don't get done here because the left has been ignoring RW talk radio and |
certainot |
Aug-15-11 09:44 PM |
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In a nutshell |
The Wizard |
Aug-16-11 08:13 AM |
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Thanks, glarius. REC. nt |
bertman |
Aug-15-11 10:15 PM |
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Your observations are spot on... |
markpkessinger |
Aug-15-11 10:16 PM |
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The endless campaigning and pining/whoring for cash |
hulka38 |
Aug-15-11 10:30 PM |
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Our system is totally out of control & money-driven. |
Jackpine Radical |
Aug-15-11 10:46 PM |
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So true. |
CrispyQ |
Aug-16-11 08:52 AM |
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billionaires want more elections to make more money |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Aug-15-11 10:58 PM |
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Well, let us face facts you have a great system of govt. |
Rex |
Aug-15-11 11:00 PM |
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K&R And, |
pleah |
Aug-15-11 11:14 PM |
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Yep. You're right. |
caseymoz |
Aug-15-11 11:34 PM |
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You still have... |
zentrum |
Aug-15-11 11:44 PM |
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you are correct |
oldhippydude |
Aug-15-11 11:51 PM |
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"Between elections, things actually get done." OMG, utopia! n/t |
Beartracks |
Aug-16-11 12:59 AM |
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That is a big part of the reason. |
harmonicon |
Aug-16-11 01:02 AM |
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Hate you? Hardly! |
SusanaMontana41 |
Aug-16-11 02:09 AM |
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Oh Canada! |
Lunabelle |
Aug-16-11 03:20 AM |
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I think the problem isn't so much the frequency as it is the money. |
Capitalocracy |
Aug-16-11 03:43 AM |
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It's part of the ongiong effort to divide the middle class and civil society. |
LetTimmySmoke |
Aug-16-11 04:11 AM |
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My husband and I have one regret in our 38 year marriage. |
Vinca |
Aug-16-11 06:06 AM |
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No, not offended at all. |
HappyMe |
Aug-16-11 06:21 AM |
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I blame America's media. |
Ganja Ninja |
Aug-16-11 06:22 AM |
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"no election advertising is permitted" |
florida08 |
Aug-16-11 06:34 AM |
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Yes, and it's exhausting. Thank you for saying it out loud. n/t |
myrna minx |
Aug-16-11 06:40 AM |
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With the Citizens United Decision |
The Wizard |
Aug-16-11 07:47 AM |
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Offended? No. Jealous of you? Yes! n/t |
PhoenixAbove |
Aug-16-11 07:57 AM |
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No hatred here. Not even disagreement. |
Bluzmann57 |
Aug-16-11 08:07 AM |
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Have mercy, adopt me! |
Eddie Haskell |
Aug-16-11 08:10 AM |
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I agree with you. The only thing worse is increasingly early display of Christmas stuff in stores. |
slackmaster |
Aug-16-11 08:13 AM |
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We totally agree! |
robinlynne |
Aug-16-11 08:27 AM |
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How is it that a good Canadian get it... |
orbitalman |
Aug-16-11 08:29 AM |
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It's a racket |
malaise |
Aug-16-11 08:29 AM |
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They just do that to override the Real news stories. |
Hubert Flottz |
Aug-16-11 08:37 AM |
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It's one of the reasons the largest voting segment in America is the non-voters. |
CrispyQ |
Aug-16-11 08:54 AM |
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Bingo! and what goes hand in hand with the constant campaingning? |
snappyturtle |
Aug-16-11 08:55 AM |
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Read our Constitution and Supreme Court decisions; there's nothing we can do about it. |
Romulox |
Aug-16-11 09:06 AM |
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That's why |
markbark |
Aug-16-11 09:06 AM |
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It's all about media presence |
dash_bannon |
Aug-16-11 09:48 AM |
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Right On |
OwnedByFerrets |
Aug-16-11 10:01 AM |
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Fun isn't it? |
tavalon |
Aug-16-11 10:17 AM |
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It'll never happen here, friend. |
mlevans |
Aug-16-11 10:42 AM |
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Control |
Frank1 |
Aug-16-11 11:30 AM |
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It's an excellent point |
proud patriot |
Aug-16-11 11:40 AM |
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Right on! It is not the "ELECTIONS" per say, it is the uncontrollable LUST FOR POWER!!! |
Change Happens |
Aug-16-11 11:51 AM |
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Our entire culture is in danger of becoming nothing but warring ad campaigns. |
DirkGently |
Aug-16-11 12:38 PM |
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My friend in Sydney Aus same thing |
marlakay |
Aug-16-11 12:43 PM |
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It feels like birth contractions that are always 1 minute apart, and I'm tired!! |
SaveAmerica |
Aug-16-11 01:28 PM |
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Thanks for what you have said! |
iowasocialist |
Aug-16-11 01:58 PM |
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Thanks for the good wishes!....I agree with you about Harper. |
glarius |
Aug-16-11 02:50 PM |
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No offense taken. |
Brigid |
Aug-16-11 03:24 PM |
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