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Mon Aug-15-11 10:08 AM
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| 7. Really? What major issues that resonate with the public have been victories? |
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The economy sucks, and will still suck next year. The stimulus was a watered down failure. HCR dropped the public option, and turned out to be a mandated monopoly for the insurance industry, one that will get killed in the Supreme Court. Tax cut extensions for the rich, attacks on Social Security and Medicare, on the big issues Dems simply don't shine, they look weak, and badly compromised.
Sure, you can trot out The List™, but frankly the public won't pay attention to the minutia of the The List™. They look at the big issues, the ones that directly effect them, and make their decision based on those big issues. And while you may not like it, Obama and the Dems don't come out looking good at all. Don't believe me? Just go look at the latest polls.
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| -Seriously, what do Obama and the Democrats have to run on besides fear? |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 09:52 AM |
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K&R. |
William769 |
Aug-15-11 09:54 AM |
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Fear works with right wingers because they are |
Harmony Blue |
Aug-15-11 09:55 AM |
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Right wingers are afraid of gay marriage. OTOH Republican rule is a real threat |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:00 AM |
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I think your perspective is a bit skewed. Obama and Dems will have plenty to run on. |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:02 AM |
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Really? What major issues that resonate with the public have been victories? |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:08 AM |
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As I say, your mind is made up. I am not going to waste my time arguing with you. |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:11 AM |
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So you're going to disregard what I've been saying about the public? |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:13 AM |
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Reality: The public will look at the big issues and hear what the candidates have to say |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:34 AM |
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The fact is, Obama and the Dems don't have a very good record going either |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:45 AM |
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So it's safe to assume you have none. |
William769 |
Aug-15-11 10:15 AM |
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"assume" made an ass out of you and me. |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:35 AM |
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In other words, no answer. nt |
woo me with science |
Aug-15-11 10:35 AM |
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I posted an answer a minute before you posted that I had no answer |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:41 AM |
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What point would it serve? To educate others who are reading this thread ... |
GOTV |
Aug-15-11 11:45 AM |
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Oh no... I sense "The List" will be posted soon |
vi5 |
Aug-15-11 10:04 AM |
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lol.. 1000 almost-awsome things!!!! |
meow mix |
Aug-15-11 10:41 AM |
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A list of big words. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-15-11 02:23 PM |
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There's Much to Fear |
otohara |
Aug-15-11 10:05 AM |
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What I'm saying is that if you run a fear driven campaign, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:11 AM |
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LBJ ran a fear-based campaign against Barry Goldwater in 1964 and |
coalition_unwilling |
Aug-15-11 10:38 AM |
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"President Palin" made a lot of Indy's and Mod Republicans think twice in 2008 |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:46 AM |
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I'm not so sure it was 'fear' of President Palin, although such fears |
coalition_unwilling |
Aug-15-11 10:49 AM |
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How ironic that BG seems tame |
Carolina |
Aug-15-11 12:12 PM |
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Agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of LBJ's presidency. Was |
coalition_unwilling |
Aug-15-11 12:29 PM |
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I have always suspected that the Vietnam War |
hifiguy |
Aug-15-11 02:30 PM |
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See. theres some of that fear right there. |
William769 |
Aug-15-11 10:17 AM |
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Works For Me |
otohara |
Aug-15-11 11:36 AM |
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It might work for you, it might work for me, but it has never worked for the public at large |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 11:39 AM |
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Works For The GOP |
otohara |
Aug-15-11 12:03 PM |
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Well, I'd like to think that the rank and file GOPer is less intelligent than Dems or liberals, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 06:58 PM |
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DSCC sent me two cards: 'I Am the FIREWALL, Stop the Radical Right in 2012' |
Octafish |
Aug-15-11 10:28 AM |
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And I mailed mine back to them without |
Carolina |
Aug-15-11 12:18 PM |
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Unrec for using fear to push the agenda. |
jaxx |
Aug-15-11 10:29 AM |
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"Using fear to push the agenda"? |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:40 AM |
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The agenda to undermine the President. |
jaxx |
Aug-15-11 10:47 AM |
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Ah, so now pointing out historical and political reality is undermining the president |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:50 AM |
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Don't try to threaten me with election night results. |
jaxx |
Aug-15-11 11:21 AM |
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It's not the "majority of Democrats" that you have to worry about |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 11:27 AM |
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Are you speaking for all of them? |
jaxx |
Aug-15-11 11:32 AM |
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If that is what you expect, then you are setting yourself up to be disappointed. |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 11:34 AM |
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This is not the old days. |
jaxx |
Aug-15-11 11:40 AM |
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Actually they are, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 11:42 AM |
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No, they are not. |
jaxx |
Aug-15-11 11:58 AM |
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Fine, continue to display historical ignorance, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 12:00 PM |
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+1 This post pushes the Don't Bother to Vote in 2012 meme + that serves the Republicans well nt |
flamingdem |
Aug-15-11 11:30 AM |
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No, way to completely misread my point |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 11:33 AM |
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You're saying very clearly that Obama and the Dems have done NADA so you imply the meme nt |
flamingdem |
Aug-15-11 11:38 AM |
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I say that Obama and the Dems don't have a solid record, especially on big issues, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 11:43 AM |
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Hey MadHound |
Carolina |
Aug-15-11 12:23 PM |
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Why not? It's bamboozled some on the left into thinking they have no other choices before. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-15-11 10:33 AM |
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It isn't the left that gives Obama bad job approval numbers, it is conservatives. |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:39 AM |
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Then, I guess he and his adherants needn't worry about the left not voting for them. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-15-11 10:45 AM |
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Did I make that argument? |
emulatorloo |
Aug-15-11 10:47 AM |
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And yet the numbers of apathetic voters continues to climb |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:47 AM |
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Apathy? Or, disgust with a corrupt system? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-15-11 10:50 AM |
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That's just fucking stupid |
Uben |
Aug-15-11 10:37 AM |
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Reiterating fear in a different form there, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:52 AM |
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Post The List too! |
Bluebear |
Aug-15-11 11:25 AM |
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please don't lump "other Dems" in w/ the Pres, The Progressive Caucus has the solutions. John Lewis! |
grahamhgreen |
Aug-15-11 10:42 AM |
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Granted, but the fact is the Progressive Caucus has been neutered, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 10:54 AM |
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The TTR Party |
grahamhgreen |
Aug-15-11 02:18 PM |
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Name removed |
Aug-15-11 10:49 AM |
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Government is corporately compromised. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-15-11 10:53 AM |
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They have nothing else.. |
blindpig |
Aug-15-11 11:51 AM |
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K&R |
Carolina |
Aug-15-11 12:01 PM |
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What about the GOP? |
BackToThe60s |
Aug-15-11 12:03 PM |
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A bunch here will deny it, but that is what they will run on. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-15-11 02:24 PM |
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As to the major issues? Nada. Zip. |
hifiguy |
Aug-15-11 02:28 PM |
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Certainly. But still, it's impossible to vote Republican. What's the OTHER alternative? |
librechik |
Aug-15-11 02:39 PM |
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That's the whole point, |
MadHound |
Aug-15-11 06:15 PM |
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