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71. They media must have thought the exit polls were important

because Earl G caught them changing the numbers in the middle of the night

CNN just changed their Ohio exit poll page

after election 2004, exit polls were determined inaccurate and useless (too hard to continue to fix)

now we are stuck with citizen run exit polls that people say are inaccurate.

So how do we know how the American people really feel, how we are really voting?

Just trust em folks, nothing to see here.

I say we should look at the attendance of tea party rallies to see that no one supports them, it is all made up bullshit by the corporate media, just like the war in Iraq,just like the 9/11 bullshit leading up to the war in Iraq, just like the necessity clamp down on us to protect us, just like the need for the Bailouts because the banks were too big to fail.

What we need now is that moment of awakening like in "A Bug's Life" where we suddenly realize there are more of us than there are of them (ALOT MORE!) and that if we all stand together, we can defeat them.

And it all starts with people shutting off the damn corporate media, and instead standing outside the stations with protest signs, surrounding the stations like they did in Egypt, demanding they tell the truth. WE need our free press back. They are a HUGE part of the problem, those corrupt bastards in DC couldn't do anything without them.

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  -What happened in Wisconsin? Citizen exit polls suggest (more) GOP election fraud waking wisconsin  Aug-14-11 12:53 PM   #0 
  - You forgot this part  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 12:55 PM   #1 
  - EDA forgot the part where exit polls only work in other countries  EFerrari   Aug-14-11 12:58 PM   #3 
  - EDA needs more resources to gather relevant data. We should support them.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 12:59 PM   #4 
  - I am glad you have FAITH in them, but that is all you have  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 01:21 PM   #11 
     - I counted those paper ballots in SC race. It's not faith.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:27 PM   #15 
     - Those ballots that you counted were likely stuffed in those ripped open bags  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:05 PM   #107 
        - And here's what I say to that. Again and again...  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:07 PM   #108 
           - No, they would NOT necessarily have had to weigh more heavily for Prosser  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:24 PM   #112 
           - We eliminated all of those factors by having people at the every poll during recall primary  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:29 PM   #115 
              - I 'd still be more confident with ballots hand counted on election night  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:36 PM   #116 
                 - Sure, I would, too.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:37 PM   #117 
                    - Holy crap! Are we agreeing!?  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:55 PM   #119 
                       - I am 100% in favor of election reform. I want any all possibility of fraud eliminated.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:58 PM   #120 
                          - I just hope for a vacation soon  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:59 PM   #121 
                          - Yes, we deserve it.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 10:00 PM   #122 
                          - "A voter-verified paper ballot as the ballot of record." Ten little words.  elehhhhna   Aug-15-11 09:28 AM   #169 
                             - That is just the beginning  BeFree   Aug-15-11 10:37 AM   #179 
                                - Vote by mail and hand count. Our Democracy is worth the time.  Aaria   Aug-15-11 11:44 AM   #184 
                                - it's the text that must be made law ih order to have any teeth and  elehhhhna   Aug-15-11 12:29 PM   #190 
           - +1 People will believe what they want to believe, you GOP plant!  fishbulb703   Aug-15-11 02:47 PM   #203 
              - Indeed.  Ellipsis   Aug-15-11 06:03 PM   #208 
     - "As you were told"  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 03:09 PM   #42 
     - They are one of the canaries  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 03:19 PM   #44 
     - what if they're just a canard?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 03:41 PM   #48 
     - ask mdxico, were we damn knew they were all but clean  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 03:48 PM   #49 
     - I don't think the parallel is very close  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 04:05 PM   #50 
        - When you no longer have confidence  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 04:07 PM   #51 
           - Exit polls are no good?!?!?!?  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:02 PM   #76 
              -, now. There's no proof here it a misleading premise.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:06 PM   #78 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:23 PM   #83 
                 - The exit pollsters for EDA were not paid at all, let alone "big money".  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:24 PM   #84 
                 - Haah. ..just trying to be nice because you post in ER. You can't find a conspiracy just by wishing.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:31 PM   #90 
                    - Sure I can. Even here on this thread are facts.  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:34 PM   #94 
                       - We did. In the SC recount.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:35 PM   #95 
                       - It didn't happen  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:40 PM   #99 
                       - In Waukesha County, many municipalities were not re-tabulated in machines at all  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:46 PM   #104 
                          - So, in that county alone  BeFree   Aug-14-11 10:16 PM   #127 
                          - Yup... the chain of custody was tainted in oh so many ways.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 10:44 PM   #130 
                          - It took me a while to get this, but I finally did.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:46 PM   #202 
                       - Remember Alvin Greene? Wasn't he out of SC?  fasttense   Aug-15-11 06:22 AM   #152 
                       - SC=supreme court not South Carolina  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 06:24 AM   #153 
                       - You can't convince me you did.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:43 PM   #201 
                       - Still no facts. Just hot air.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:36 PM   #96 
              - The ones referenced in the OP can't be. Yet.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:09 PM   #79 
              - The actual vote numbers fall within the norms.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:14 PM   #81 
              - Ass-backwards  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:33 PM   #91 
                 - We verified machine counts to be true in the SC recount.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:34 PM   #93 
                 - That is absolutely untrue.  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:11 PM   #109 
                    - .  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:11 PM   #110 
                 - We not talking about machine counts... but the accuracy of the exit polling  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:39 PM   #98 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:27 PM   #85 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:29 PM   #87 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:45 PM   #102 
                    - Lol, like the ridiculous rumor that was spread that a bag from Delafield had TEN-THOUSAND ballots in  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:50 PM   #105 
                    - ...more like a whole toupee.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:51 PM   #106 
              - yeah, no  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:13 PM   #80 
              - Oh?  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:30 PM   #88 
                 - (ducks the moving goalposts)  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:34 PM   #92 
                    - My Gawd!!  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:36 PM   #97 
                    - ROFLMAO  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:46 PM   #103 
                       - All did except FOX... then a funny thing happened  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 11:02 PM   #133 
                          - all did WHAT?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 05:34 AM   #146 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-11 08:57 AM   #163 
                       - say what?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 09:07 AM   #166 
              - Easy, that is what I am saying if you read the thread  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 11:12 PM   #134 
              - who says they were "trusted" until 2000?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 05:48 AM   #149 
                 - Until 2000 they were  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-15-11 11:12 AM   #182 
                    - seeing Ukraine  foo_bar   Aug-15-11 12:10 PM   #188 
                    - And a popular protest should have been the reaction  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-15-11 12:12 PM   #189 
                    - you're pretty much waving your hands here  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 12:34 PM   #193 
              - Networks  SnakeEyes   Aug-15-11 10:27 AM   #178 
              - When you hear of President Carter going some where to watch over an election......  Aaria   Aug-15-11 11:47 AM   #185 
                 - I think you're citing urban legends  foo_bar   Aug-15-11 12:32 PM   #192 
                 - I stand corrected, but it's odd that the exit polls that correctly predicted the 7 elections before  Aaria   Aug-15-11 02:36 PM   #198 
                    - the key to that is understanding what it means  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 03:37 PM   #205 
                    - I think it would be odd if it were true  foo_bar   Aug-15-11 04:50 PM   #206 
                 - wow, I almost wish that last part were true  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 12:39 PM   #195 
     - I'm sorry,I must disagree.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:39 PM   #200 
        - well, "canard" was harsh  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 03:00 PM   #204 
           - You know I disagree with you entirely about 2004.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 05:50 PM   #207 
              - so, do you think Kerry won New Hampshire by 15 points?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 06:52 PM   #209 
     - they are actually the best known canary to detect election fraud!  robinlynne   Aug-15-11 01:16 AM   #142 
     - So people from other countries can screw it up too?  SnakeEyes   Aug-15-11 10:20 AM   #177 
     - Exit polls are just an indicator and can be wildly off.  mwooldri   Aug-15-11 08:33 AM   #162 
     - Oh brother...  greytdemocrat   Aug-14-11 05:21 PM   #60 
     - We need risk-limiting, post-election audits (samplings) of paper ballots...  AmBlue   Aug-14-11 11:32 PM   #136 
        - This.  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 08:07 AM   #161 
        - I would fully support this. And since we require paper, we're in a good position to do it.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 09:35 AM   #172 
        - Yes!  BeFree   Aug-15-11 11:58 AM   #186 
           - The public outcry for post-election audits has been missing...  AmBlue   Aug-15-11 12:37 PM   #194 
  - Exits polls were accurate in 2006 and 2008.  RandySF   Aug-15-11 12:52 AM   #140 
  - There were issues in 2008.  EFerrari   Aug-15-11 01:30 AM   #143 
  - coincidentally exit polls worked in the US until 2000  elehhhhna   Aug-15-11 09:24 AM   #168 
  - that's an urban legend  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 09:43 AM   #173 
  - Don't forget when the Exit pollers are shut down for hours  midnight   Aug-15-11 12:00 PM   #187 
     - Butler Village. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-15-11 12:32 PM   #191 
  - I have worked with exit polling. Statitiscians can determine the exact possibilities  robinlynne   Aug-15-11 01:13 AM   #141 
  - Yes, they CAN, but if you read the link they say that they DIDN'T.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 05:45 AM   #147 
  - sorry, no  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 07:24 AM   #158 
  - I just want to understand your position, which I do not.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:33 PM   #197 
  - It is no longer enough to "win".. We must now win in a landslide..  annabanana   Aug-14-11 12:55 PM   #2 
  - Yeah, I've mentioned that before.............  socialist_n_TN   Aug-14-11 01:02 PM   #5 
  - Get rid of the godddam machines.  aquart   Aug-14-11 01:18 PM   #8 
     - I know!  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:22 PM   #12 
        - Not entirely true. Poll workers look at all ballots to verify initials at close.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:51 PM   #18 
           - since when do they initial ballots??  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:07 PM   #26 
              - Since always, to my knowledge.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:08 PM   #28 
                 - the voter initials the ballot?  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:16 PM   #30 
                    - No, the poll workers  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:18 PM   #31 
                       - how is that double checking the ballots?  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:23 PM   #32 
                          - I didn't say that. Only that your claim that "the election workers are not allowed to look at the  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:26 PM   #33 
                             - Your defense of this election being valid is based on your being at the precinct observing  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:29 PM   #35 
                                - Indeed, and likewise, there is no evidence of fraud. None. Not now and not in the SC race.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:31 PM   #36 
                                   - No, not "likewise".  eomer   Aug-14-11 04:07 PM   #52 
                                      - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-14-11 04:21 PM   #54 
  - ...then when the elections totals are flipped, as they did in Ohio 2004  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:19 PM   #10 
     - that's incorrect  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 03:18 PM   #43 
        - Thanks for the link.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 03:22 PM   #45 
        - (blush)  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 04:08 PM   #53 
        - I've "brought it on" 2004!  Sancho   Aug-14-11 06:26 PM   #64 
        - well...  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:42 PM   #101 
        - They media must have thought the exit polls were important  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 07:17 PM   #71 
        - what was on that exit poll page?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:18 PM   #82 
        - How about an actual study instead  kenfrequed   Aug-15-11 07:02 AM   #157 
           - ?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 07:38 AM   #159 
  - Using PeaceNikki's input, one might conclude that either....  Scuba   Aug-14-11 01:15 PM   #6 
  - This is how a real Democracy behaves when elections are stolen  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:17 PM   #7 
  - Until the elections can be verified  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 01:18 PM   #9 
  - It's past the time to go back to paper ballots. EOM  Frustratedlady   Aug-14-11 01:23 PM   #13 
  - We use paper ballots in Wisconsin, as required by law.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:25 PM   #14 
     - Correct. What we need is HAND COUNTED paper ballots. n/t  Scuba   Aug-14-11 01:43 PM   #16 
     - People make mistakes, too.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:48 PM   #17 
        - People make mistakes, true, but the machines can be (and are) rigged. n/t  Scuba   Aug-14-11 01:51 PM   #19 
        - Looks like you have another  pintobean   Aug-14-11 01:56 PM   #20 
           - Indeed.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:59 PM   #22 
           - I am not friends with Nikki  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:01 PM   #23 
              - Pardon my assumption.  pintobean   Aug-14-11 02:09 PM   #29 
              - Thank you for standing your ground on this issue. n/t  murielm99   Aug-14-11 10:32 PM   #129 
     - if the paper ballots are not counted by hand  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:58 PM   #21 
        - Untrue.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:02 PM   #24 
           - did election workers count the ballots? NO! Your statement is confusing  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:06 PM   #25 
              - My mistake, I read "recall" as "recount". Correct, no handcounts in reCALL.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:08 PM   #27 
                 - No hand counts in recall  BeFree   Aug-14-11 10:04 PM   #124 
                    - admiring their efforts ...unfortunately, doesn't mean it's accurate.  Ellipsis   Aug-15-11 09:30 AM   #170 
                    - I never said "ignore". And if you "know election reform" be intellectually honest for a moment.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 10:04 AM   #175 
                       - You only need to be able to do math  BeFree   Aug-15-11 10:42 AM   #180 
  - stunned that people would unrec a thread such as this....  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:27 PM   #34 
  - proof  stklurker   Aug-14-11 02:40 PM   #39 
     - How would Republicans act if every election, fishy things happen that always benefit Dems  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:48 PM   #40 
        - Hack the vote  stklurker   Aug-14-11 03:29 PM   #46 
        - Your joking right?  Imajika   Aug-14-11 05:24 PM   #61 
           - Unlike republicans  BeFree   Aug-14-11 10:06 PM   #125 
  - I have about as much faith in our elections and that Republicans  Aerows   Aug-14-11 02:33 PM   #37 
  - Why can't the counting of each precinct be broadcast live?  a simple pattern   Aug-14-11 02:37 PM   #38 
  - great idea  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:51 PM   #41 
  - This happened in NM in the Kerry election before we demanded change  duhneece   Aug-14-11 03:39 PM   #47 
  - I would like to learn more about this change in NM - the history of how it came to be. Would you  54anickel   Aug-15-11 09:59 AM   #174 
  - Opscans are, for the most part, what Wisconsin uses.  Ellipsis   Aug-15-11 10:08 AM   #176 
  - ..or we just didn't do as well as we hoped.  Imajika   Aug-14-11 04:35 PM   #55 
  - an exit poll polls people immediately AFTER they vote  scheming daemons   Aug-14-11 04:42 PM   #56 
     - Really depends on the exit poll...  Imajika   Aug-14-11 05:07 PM   #57 
     - to be fair, it isn't just about doing the polls right  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 06:14 PM   #63 
        - Factor in the fact that these exit polls were done by a well known liberal leaning group  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 07:25 PM   #72 
           - well, I don't know how obvious that is to voters  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:28 PM   #86 
              - This is only presenting 5 polling places. Out of dozens. And they didn't come close to 70%  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 06:42 AM   #156 
                 - I agree that there isn't much (or aren't many) data here  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 07:56 AM   #160 
     - Only if they capture 100% of the voters. And they don't. Further, this group  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 05:49 PM   #62 
        - ...and we have a winner. n/t  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 07:15 PM   #70 
  - The vote count numbers are not unusal... The exit poll numbers are not accuate...period.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 05:13 PM   #58 
  - Exit polls have accually proven to be amazingly accurate  DefenseLawyer   Aug-14-11 06:32 PM   #66 
  - prove that out for me would you.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 06:56 PM   #68 
  - Earl g caught them changing the exit poll numbers in the middle of the night  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 07:25 PM   #74 
     - ...again your comparing aardvarks to artichokes, there,s no logic to that statement.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 07:34 PM   #75 
  - the 'vote' numbers were counted by machines, humans took the exit polls  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 06:37 PM   #67 
     - Errr... whats that have to do with the accuaracy of your proposed exit polling results?  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 06:58 PM   #69 
     - thanks for being here  fascisthunter   Aug-15-11 09:12 AM   #167 
  - If it is close enough to steal, rethugs WILL steal it.....the exit polls  MaeScott   Aug-14-11 05:16 PM   #59 
  - Choicepoint programmed the machines, (DBT)> And Dibold  upi402   Aug-14-11 06:30 PM   #65 
     - Thats a false statement.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 07:25 PM   #73 
  - ...  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Aug-14-11 08:03 PM   #77 
  - People lie to exit polls. A good organization has people going around lying to as many of them as  RB TexLa   Aug-14-11 08:31 PM   #89 
  - If that's true  DefenseLawyer   Aug-14-11 08:41 PM   #100 
  - Isn't this thread about how they are not accurate?  RB TexLa   Aug-14-11 09:25 PM   #113 
     - No. It's not.  DefenseLawyer   Aug-14-11 10:57 PM   #132 
        - In local races I doubt that they are that accurate because of how you use them to  RB TexLa   Aug-14-11 11:19 PM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 10:01 PM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 10:13 PM   #126 
  - We should start inviting foreign observers to verify our elections  on point   Aug-14-11 09:22 PM   #111 
  - Or we could all become more involved and make elections things we are directly working on.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:26 PM   #114 
     - That's fine, but agitating for foreign observers would be good too.  on point   Aug-15-11 01:36 AM   #145 
  - I knew it.  joanbarnes   Aug-14-11 09:51 PM   #118 
  - There we go lookin' back again...why, we might see something we don't like:  blkmusclmachine   Aug-14-11 10:25 PM   #128 
  - K & R x 1000 n/t  orbitalman   Aug-14-11 10:48 PM   #131 
  - Exit polling is always accuarte - In 2000 exit polling had Gore winning Fl.  GreenTea   Aug-15-11 12:04 AM   #137 
  - You missed this part that the OP dropped from the EDA link:  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 05:46 AM   #148 
  - lots of wrong information here  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 06:05 AM   #150 
     - Wrong!  GreenTea   Aug-15-11 02:08 PM   #196 
        - sorry, but your enthusiasm doesn't constitute evidence  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 02:38 PM   #199 
  - All the GOP has to do is get a small percentage of their voters to refuse exit pollsters and it gets  applegrove   Aug-15-11 12:22 AM   #138 
  - Or, you can work your butt off on a rigged election and eat that  EFerrari   Aug-15-11 01:36 AM   #144 
  - Sadly, once our voting system is suspect, even the  spicegal   Aug-15-11 06:07 AM   #151 
  - During the presidential race of 2008, I made calls to voters.  fasttense   Aug-15-11 06:31 AM   #155 
  - There's lots of nonsense in this thread, let me correct just one:  Democracyinkind   Aug-15-11 06:27 AM   #154 
  - how embarrassing it must be to admit you voted GOP!  mimitabby   Aug-15-11 08:58 AM   #164 
  - Without Paper Ballots  fascisthunter   Aug-15-11 09:05 AM   #165 
  - Wisconsin has a law that requires paper ballots.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 09:33 AM   #171 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-11 10:56 AM   #181 
  - Time for a real Tea Party, Toss the machines in the drink....Watch this.  Aaria   Aug-15-11 11:43 AM   #183 
  - kick  waking wisconsin   Aug-16-11 11:16 AM   #210 
  - Locking  cbayer   Aug-16-11 02:12 PM   #211 

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