Reply #64: I've "brought it on"...in 2004!

[Sancho]

My wife and I witnessed a machined flip votes...if you put in a vote for one senator, the "review page" always reversed it on a machine in Pinellas county for a Senate election. We called the election supervisor, tried to keep the machine in sight, and demanded it be removed and guarded. Instead, the machine was "reset" by a technician, we were escorted out of the area and told that ballots on that machine could be recast for those in line at that time. I got a call from the election supervisor threatening me.

Here in Florida, we've had lots of evidence: first hand witnesses, published studies by the American Statistical Association of discrepancies, and exit polls. We've found missing ballots in the trash, altered tapes, and unsecured machines. We've seen programmers testify they wrote the hacking programs, named the politician who paid them, and then seen the machines act like they were hacked. That doesn't even mention all the stuff like hanging chads and votes for Buchanan and all the typical stuff.

Unless your name is TRON, you couldn't have more evidence that the count is not correct. What we will never know is what the true vote really is until we have countable and secure physical ballots.

Some judges, elections supervisors, and many of the poll workers are bought and paid for...and we've had challenges with reasonable evidence on a number of elections that the results were improbable. No election has ever been rerun, no one has been arrested, no election supervisor has served jail time.

Casting a vote in Sarasota 13 is a waste of time and everyone knows it, knows why the election supervisor is a lying cheat, and knows it will happen again in the next election.

Maybe Wisconsin has a similar problem in some counties.

The problem is not just "having evidence". The problem is we don't have a system that records and counts the votes accurately.