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  -What happened in Wisconsin? Citizen exit polls suggest (more) GOP election fraud waking wisconsin  Aug-14-11 12:53 PM   #0 
  - You forgot this part  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 12:55 PM   #1 
  - EDA forgot the part where exit polls only work in other countries  EFerrari   Aug-14-11 12:58 PM   #3 
  - EDA needs more resources to gather relevant data. We should support them.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 12:59 PM   #4 
  - I am glad you have FAITH in them, but that is all you have  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 01:21 PM   #11 
     - I counted those paper ballots in SC race. It's not faith.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:27 PM   #15 
     - Those ballots that you counted were likely stuffed in those ripped open bags  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:05 PM   #107 
        - And here's what I say to that. Again and again...  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:07 PM   #108 
           - No, they would NOT necessarily have had to weigh more heavily for Prosser  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:24 PM   #112 
           - We eliminated all of those factors by having people at the every poll during recall primary  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:29 PM   #115 
              - I 'd still be more confident with ballots hand counted on election night  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:36 PM   #116 
                 - Sure, I would, too.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:37 PM   #117 
                    - Holy crap! Are we agreeing!?  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:55 PM   #119 
                       - I am 100% in favor of election reform. I want any all possibility of fraud eliminated.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:58 PM   #120 
                          - I just hope for a vacation soon  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:59 PM   #121 
                          - Yes, we deserve it.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 10:00 PM   #122 
                          - "A voter-verified paper ballot as the ballot of record." Ten little words.  elehhhhna   Aug-15-11 09:28 AM   #169 
                             - That is just the beginning  BeFree   Aug-15-11 10:37 AM   #179 
                                - Vote by mail and hand count. Our Democracy is worth the time.  Aaria   Aug-15-11 11:44 AM   #184 
                                - it's the text that must be made law ih order to have any teeth and  elehhhhna   Aug-15-11 12:29 PM   #190 
           - +1 People will believe what they want to believe, you GOP plant!  fishbulb703   Aug-15-11 02:47 PM   #203 
              - Indeed.  Ellipsis   Aug-15-11 06:03 PM   #208 
     - "As you were told"  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 03:09 PM   #42 
     - They are one of the canaries  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 03:19 PM   #44 
     - what if they're just a canard?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 03:41 PM   #48 
     - ask mdxico, were we damn knew they were all but clean  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 03:48 PM   #49 
     - I don't think the parallel is very close  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 04:05 PM   #50 
        - When you no longer have confidence  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 04:07 PM   #51 
           - Exit polls are no good?!?!?!?  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:02 PM   #76 
              - ...now, now. There's no proof here it a misleading premise.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:06 PM   #78 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:23 PM   #83 
                 - The exit pollsters for EDA were not paid at all, let alone "big money".  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:24 PM   #84 
                 - Haah. ..just trying to be nice because you post in ER. You can't find a conspiracy just by wishing.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:31 PM   #90 
                    - Sure I can. Even here on this thread are facts.  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:34 PM   #94 
                       - We did. In the SC recount.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:35 PM   #95 
                       - It didn't happen  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:40 PM   #99 
                       - In Waukesha County, many municipalities were not re-tabulated in machines at all  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:46 PM   #104 
                          - So, in that county alone  BeFree   Aug-14-11 10:16 PM   #127 
                          - Yup... the chain of custody was tainted in oh so many ways.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 10:44 PM   #130 
                          - It took me a while to get this, but I finally did.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:46 PM   #202 
                       - Remember Alvin Greene? Wasn't he out of SC?  fasttense   Aug-15-11 06:22 AM   #152 
                       - SC=supreme court not South Carolina  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 06:24 AM   #153 
                       - You can't convince me you did.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:43 PM   #201 
                       - Still no facts. Just hot air.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:36 PM   #96 
              - The ones referenced in the OP can't be. Yet.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:09 PM   #79 
              - The actual vote numbers fall within the norms.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:14 PM   #81 
              - Ass-backwards  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:33 PM   #91 
                 - We verified machine counts to be true in the SC recount.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:34 PM   #93 
                 - That is absolutely untrue.  eowyn_of_rohan   Aug-14-11 09:11 PM   #109 
                    - .  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:11 PM   #110 
                 - We not talking about machine counts... but the accuracy of the exit polling  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:39 PM   #98 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:27 PM   #85 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:29 PM   #87 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 08:45 PM   #102 
                    - Lol, like the ridiculous rumor that was spread that a bag from Delafield had TEN-THOUSAND ballots in  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 08:50 PM   #105 
                    - ...more like a whole toupee.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 08:51 PM   #106 
              - yeah, no  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:13 PM   #80 
              - Oh?  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:30 PM   #88 
                 - (ducks the moving goalposts)  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:34 PM   #92 
                    - My Gawd!!  BeFree   Aug-14-11 08:36 PM   #97 
                    - ROFLMAO  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:46 PM   #103 
                       - All did except FOX... then a funny thing happened  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 11:02 PM   #133 
                          - all did WHAT?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 05:34 AM   #146 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-11 08:57 AM   #163 
                       - say what?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 09:07 AM   #166 
              - Easy, that is what I am saying if you read the thread  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 11:12 PM   #134 
              - who says they were "trusted" until 2000?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 05:48 AM   #149 
                 - Until 2000 they were  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-15-11 11:12 AM   #182 
                    - seeing Ukraine  foo_bar   Aug-15-11 12:10 PM   #188 
                    - And a popular protest should have been the reaction  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-15-11 12:12 PM   #189 
                    - you're pretty much waving your hands here  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 12:34 PM   #193 
              - Networks  SnakeEyes   Aug-15-11 10:27 AM   #178 
              - When you hear of President Carter going some where to watch over an election......  Aaria   Aug-15-11 11:47 AM   #185 
                 - I think you're citing urban legends  foo_bar   Aug-15-11 12:32 PM   #192 
                 - I stand corrected, but it's odd that the exit polls that correctly predicted the 7 elections before  Aaria   Aug-15-11 02:36 PM   #198 
                    - the key to that is understanding what it means  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 03:37 PM   #205 
                    - I think it would be odd if it were true  foo_bar   Aug-15-11 04:50 PM   #206 
                 - wow, I almost wish that last part were true  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 12:39 PM   #195 
     - I'm sorry,I must disagree.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:39 PM   #200 
        - well, "canard" was harsh  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 03:00 PM   #204 
           - You know I disagree with you entirely about 2004.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 05:50 PM   #207 
              - so, do you think Kerry won New Hampshire by 15 points?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 06:52 PM   #209 
     - they are actually the best known canary to detect election fraud!  robinlynne   Aug-15-11 01:16 AM   #142 
     - So people from other countries can screw it up too?  SnakeEyes   Aug-15-11 10:20 AM   #177 
     - Exit polls are just an indicator and can be wildly off.  mwooldri   Aug-15-11 08:33 AM   #162 
     - Oh brother...  greytdemocrat   Aug-14-11 05:21 PM   #60 
     - We need risk-limiting, post-election audits (samplings) of paper ballots...  AmBlue   Aug-14-11 11:32 PM   #136 
        - This.  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 08:07 AM   #161 
        - I would fully support this. And since we require paper, we're in a good position to do it.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 09:35 AM   #172 
        - Yes!  BeFree   Aug-15-11 11:58 AM   #186 
           - The public outcry for post-election audits has been missing...  AmBlue   Aug-15-11 12:37 PM   #194 
  - OH YES, I FORGOT THAT EXIT POLLS ONLY WORK IN OTHER COUNTRIES  HowHasItComeToThis   Aug-15-11 12:26 AM   #139 
  - Exits polls were accurate in 2006 and 2008.  RandySF   Aug-15-11 12:52 AM   #140 
  - There were issues in 2008.  EFerrari   Aug-15-11 01:30 AM   #143 
  - coincidentally exit polls worked in the US until 2000  elehhhhna   Aug-15-11 09:24 AM   #168 
  - that's an urban legend  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 09:43 AM   #173 
  - Don't forget when the Exit pollers are shut down for hours  midnight   Aug-15-11 12:00 PM   #187 
     - Butler Village. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-15-11 12:32 PM   #191 
  - I have worked with exit polling. Statitiscians can determine the exact possibilities  robinlynne   Aug-15-11 01:13 AM   #141 
  - Yes, they CAN, but if you read the link they say that they DIDN'T.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 05:45 AM   #147 
  - sorry, no  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 07:24 AM   #158 
  - I just want to understand your position, which I do not.  emcguffie   Aug-15-11 02:33 PM   #197 
  - It is no longer enough to "win".. We must now win in a landslide..  annabanana   Aug-14-11 12:55 PM   #2 
  - Yeah, I've mentioned that before.............  socialist_n_TN   Aug-14-11 01:02 PM   #5 
  - Get rid of the godddam machines.  aquart   Aug-14-11 01:18 PM   #8 
     - I know!  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:22 PM   #12 
        - Not entirely true. Poll workers look at all ballots to verify initials at close.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:51 PM   #18 
           - since when do they initial ballots??  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:07 PM   #26 
              - Since always, to my knowledge.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:08 PM   #28 
                 - the voter initials the ballot?  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:16 PM   #30 
                    - No, the poll workers  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:18 PM   #31 
                       - how is that double checking the ballots?  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:23 PM   #32 
                          - I didn't say that. Only that your claim that "the election workers are not allowed to look at the  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:26 PM   #33 
                             - Your defense of this election being valid is based on your being at the precinct observing  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:29 PM   #35 
                                - Indeed, and likewise, there is no evidence of fraud. None. Not now and not in the SC race.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:31 PM   #36 
                                   - No, not "likewise".  eomer   Aug-14-11 04:07 PM   #52 
                                      - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-14-11 04:21 PM   #54 
  - ...then when the elections totals are flipped, as they did in Ohio 2004  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:19 PM   #10 
     - that's incorrect  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 03:18 PM   #43 
        - Thanks for the link.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 03:22 PM   #45 
        - (blush)  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 04:08 PM   #53 
        - I've "brought it on"...in 2004!  Sancho   Aug-14-11 06:26 PM   #64 
        - well...  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:42 PM   #101 
        - They media must have thought the exit polls were important  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 07:17 PM   #71 
        - what was on that exit poll page?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:18 PM   #82 
        - How about an actual study instead  kenfrequed   Aug-15-11 07:02 AM   #157 
           - ?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 07:38 AM   #159 
  - Using PeaceNikki's input, one might conclude that either....  Scuba   Aug-14-11 01:15 PM   #6 
  - This is how a real Democracy behaves when elections are stolen  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:17 PM   #7 
  - Until the elections can be verified  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-14-11 01:18 PM   #9 
  - It's past the time to go back to paper ballots. EOM  Frustratedlady   Aug-14-11 01:23 PM   #13 
  - We use paper ballots in Wisconsin, as required by law.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:25 PM   #14 
     - Correct. What we need is HAND COUNTED paper ballots. n/t  Scuba   Aug-14-11 01:43 PM   #16 
     - People make mistakes, too.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:48 PM   #17 
        - People make mistakes, true, but the machines can be (and are) rigged. n/t  Scuba   Aug-14-11 01:51 PM   #19 
        - Looks like you have another  pintobean   Aug-14-11 01:56 PM   #20 
           - Indeed.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 01:59 PM   #22 
           - I am not friends with Nikki  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:01 PM   #23 
              - Pardon my assumption.  pintobean   Aug-14-11 02:09 PM   #29 
              - Thank you for standing your ground on this issue. n/t  murielm99   Aug-14-11 10:32 PM   #129 
     - if the paper ballots are not counted by hand  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 01:58 PM   #21 
        - Untrue.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:02 PM   #24 
           - did election workers count the ballots? NO! Your statement is confusing  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:06 PM   #25 
              - My mistake, I read "recall" as "recount". Correct, no handcounts in reCALL.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 02:08 PM   #27 
                 - No hand counts in recall  BeFree   Aug-14-11 10:04 PM   #124 
                    - admiring their efforts ...unfortunately, doesn't mean it's accurate.  Ellipsis   Aug-15-11 09:30 AM   #170 
                    - I never said "ignore". And if you "know election reform" be intellectually honest for a moment.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 10:04 AM   #175 
                       - You only need to be able to do math  BeFree   Aug-15-11 10:42 AM   #180 
  - stunned that people would unrec a thread such as this....  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:27 PM   #34 
  - proof  stklurker   Aug-14-11 02:40 PM   #39 
     - How would Republicans act if every election, fishy things happen that always benefit Dems  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:48 PM   #40 
        - Hack the vote  stklurker   Aug-14-11 03:29 PM   #46 
        - Your joking right?  Imajika   Aug-14-11 05:24 PM   #61 
           - Unlike republicans  BeFree   Aug-14-11 10:06 PM   #125 
  - I have about as much faith in our elections and that Republicans  Aerows   Aug-14-11 02:33 PM   #37 
  - Why can't the counting of each precinct be broadcast live?  a simple pattern   Aug-14-11 02:37 PM   #38 
  - great idea  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 02:51 PM   #41 
  - This happened in NM in the Kerry election before we demanded change  duhneece   Aug-14-11 03:39 PM   #47 
  - I would like to learn more about this change in NM - the history of how it came to be. Would you  54anickel   Aug-15-11 09:59 AM   #174 
  - Opscans are, for the most part, what Wisconsin uses.  Ellipsis   Aug-15-11 10:08 AM   #176 
  - ..or we just didn't do as well as we hoped.  Imajika   Aug-14-11 04:35 PM   #55 
  - an exit poll polls people immediately AFTER they vote  scheming daemons   Aug-14-11 04:42 PM   #56 
     - Really depends on the exit poll...  Imajika   Aug-14-11 05:07 PM   #57 
     - to be fair, it isn't just about doing the polls right  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 06:14 PM   #63 
        - Factor in the fact that these exit polls were done by a well known liberal leaning group  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 07:25 PM   #72 
           - well, I don't know how obvious that is to voters  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-14-11 08:28 PM   #86 
              - This is only presenting 5 polling places. Out of dozens. And they didn't come close to 70%  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 06:42 AM   #156 
                 - I agree that there isn't much (or aren't many) data here  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 07:56 AM   #160 
     - Only if they capture 100% of the voters. And they don't. Further, this group  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 05:49 PM   #62 
        - ...and we have a winner. n/t  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 07:15 PM   #70 
  - The vote count numbers are not unusal... The exit poll numbers are not accuate...period.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 05:13 PM   #58 
  - Exit polls have accually proven to be amazingly accurate  DefenseLawyer   Aug-14-11 06:32 PM   #66 
  - prove that out for me would you.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 06:56 PM   #68 
  - Earl g caught them changing the exit poll numbers in the middle of the night  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 07:25 PM   #74 
     - ...again your comparing aardvarks to artichokes, there,s no logic to that statement.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 07:34 PM   #75 
  - the 'vote' numbers were counted by machines, humans took the exit polls  waking wisconsin   Aug-14-11 06:37 PM   #67 
     - Errr... whats that have to do with the accuaracy of your proposed exit polling results?  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 06:58 PM   #69 
     - thanks for being here  fascisthunter   Aug-15-11 09:12 AM   #167 
  - If it is close enough to steal, rethugs WILL steal it.....the exit polls  MaeScott   Aug-14-11 05:16 PM   #59 
  - Choicepoint programmed the machines, (DBT)> And Dibold  upi402   Aug-14-11 06:30 PM   #65 
     - Thats a false statement.  Ellipsis   Aug-14-11 07:25 PM   #73 
  - ...  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Aug-14-11 08:03 PM   #77 
  - People lie to exit polls. A good organization has people going around lying to as many of them as  RB TexLa   Aug-14-11 08:31 PM   #89 
  - If that's true  DefenseLawyer   Aug-14-11 08:41 PM   #100 
  - Isn't this thread about how they are not accurate?  RB TexLa   Aug-14-11 09:25 PM   #113 
     - No. It's not.  DefenseLawyer   Aug-14-11 10:57 PM   #132 
        - In local races I doubt that they are that accurate because of how you use them to  RB TexLa   Aug-14-11 11:19 PM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 10:01 PM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 10:13 PM   #126 
  - We should start inviting foreign observers to verify our elections  on point   Aug-14-11 09:22 PM   #111 
  - Or we could all become more involved and make elections things we are directly working on.  PeaceNikki   Aug-14-11 09:26 PM   #114 
     - That's fine, but agitating for foreign observers would be good too.  on point   Aug-15-11 01:36 AM   #145 
  - I knew it.  joanbarnes   Aug-14-11 09:51 PM   #118 
  - There we go lookin' back again...why, we might see something we don't like:  blkmusclmachine   Aug-14-11 10:25 PM   #128 
  - K & R x 1000 n/t  orbitalman   Aug-14-11 10:48 PM   #131 
  - Exit polling is always accuarte - In 2000 exit polling had Gore winning Fl.  GreenTea   Aug-15-11 12:04 AM   #137 
  - You missed this part that the OP dropped from the EDA link:  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 05:46 AM   #148 
  - lots of wrong information here  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 06:05 AM   #150 
     - Wrong!  GreenTea   Aug-15-11 02:08 PM   #196 
        - sorry, but your enthusiasm doesn't constitute evidence  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-15-11 02:38 PM   #199 
  - All the GOP has to do is get a small percentage of their voters to refuse exit pollsters and it gets  applegrove   Aug-15-11 12:22 AM   #138 
  - Or, you can work your butt off on a rigged election and eat that  EFerrari   Aug-15-11 01:36 AM   #144 
  - Sadly, once our voting system is suspect, even the  spicegal   Aug-15-11 06:07 AM   #151 
  - During the presidential race of 2008, I made calls to voters.  fasttense   Aug-15-11 06:31 AM   #155 
  - There's lots of nonsense in this thread, let me correct just one:  Democracyinkind   Aug-15-11 06:27 AM   #154 
  - how embarrassing it must be to admit you voted GOP!  mimitabby   Aug-15-11 08:58 AM   #164 
  - Without Paper Ballots  fascisthunter   Aug-15-11 09:05 AM   #165 
  - Wisconsin has a law that requires paper ballots.  PeaceNikki   Aug-15-11 09:33 AM   #171 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-11 10:56 AM   #181 
  - Time for a real Tea Party, Toss the machines in the drink....Watch this.  Aaria   Aug-15-11 11:43 AM   #183 
  - kick  waking wisconsin   Aug-16-11 11:16 AM   #210 
  - Locking  cbayer   Aug-16-11 02:12 PM   #211 
 

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