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Edited on Sun Aug-14-11 02:19 PM by PeaceNikki
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| -What happened in Wisconsin? Citizen exit polls suggest (more) GOP election fraud |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 12:53 PM |
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You forgot this part |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 12:55 PM |
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EDA forgot the part where exit polls only work in other countries |
EFerrari |
Aug-14-11 12:58 PM |
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EDA needs more resources to gather relevant data. We should support them. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 12:59 PM |
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I am glad you have FAITH in them, but that is all you have |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 01:21 PM |
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I counted those paper ballots in SC race. It's not faith. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 01:27 PM |
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Those ballots that you counted were likely stuffed in those ripped open bags |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Aug-14-11 09:05 PM |
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And here's what I say to that. Again and again... |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 09:07 PM |
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No, they would NOT necessarily have had to weigh more heavily for Prosser |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Aug-14-11 09:24 PM |
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We eliminated all of those factors by having people at the every poll during recall primary |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 09:29 PM |
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I 'd still be more confident with ballots hand counted on election night |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Aug-14-11 09:36 PM |
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Sure, I would, too. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 09:37 PM |
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Holy crap! Are we agreeing!? |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Aug-14-11 09:55 PM |
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I am 100% in favor of election reform. I want any all possibility of fraud eliminated. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 09:58 PM |
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I just hope for a vacation soon |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Aug-14-11 09:59 PM |
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Yes, we deserve it. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 10:00 PM |
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"A voter-verified paper ballot as the ballot of record." Ten little words. |
elehhhhna |
Aug-15-11 09:28 AM |
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That is just the beginning |
BeFree |
Aug-15-11 10:37 AM |
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Vote by mail and hand count. Our Democracy is worth the time. |
Aaria |
Aug-15-11 11:44 AM |
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it's the text that must be made law ih order to have any teeth and |
elehhhhna |
Aug-15-11 12:29 PM |
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+1 People will believe what they want to believe, you GOP plant! |
fishbulb703 |
Aug-15-11 02:47 PM |
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Indeed. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-15-11 06:03 PM |
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"As you were told" |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 03:09 PM |
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They are one of the canaries |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 03:19 PM |
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what if they're just a canard? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 03:41 PM |
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ask mdxico, were we damn knew they were all but clean |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 03:48 PM |
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I don't think the parallel is very close |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 04:05 PM |
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When you no longer have confidence |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 04:07 PM |
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Exit polls are no good?!?!?!? |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 08:02 PM |
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...now, now. There's no proof here it a misleading premise. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 08:06 PM |
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Aug-14-11 08:23 PM |
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The exit pollsters for EDA were not paid at all, let alone "big money". |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 08:24 PM |
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Haah. ..just trying to be nice because you post in ER. You can't find a conspiracy just by wishing. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 08:31 PM |
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Sure I can. Even here on this thread are facts. |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 08:34 PM |
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We did. In the SC recount. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 08:35 PM |
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It didn't happen |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 08:40 PM |
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In Waukesha County, many municipalities were not re-tabulated in machines at all |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 08:46 PM |
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So, in that county alone |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 10:16 PM |
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Yup... the chain of custody was tainted in oh so many ways. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 10:44 PM |
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It took me a while to get this, but I finally did. |
emcguffie |
Aug-15-11 02:46 PM |
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Remember Alvin Greene? Wasn't he out of SC? |
fasttense |
Aug-15-11 06:22 AM |
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SC=supreme court not South Carolina |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 06:24 AM |
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You can't convince me you did. |
emcguffie |
Aug-15-11 02:43 PM |
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Still no facts. Just hot air. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 08:36 PM |
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The ones referenced in the OP can't be. Yet. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 08:09 PM |
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The actual vote numbers fall within the norms. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 08:14 PM |
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Ass-backwards |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 08:33 PM |
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We verified machine counts to be true in the SC recount. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 08:34 PM |
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That is absolutely untrue. |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Aug-14-11 09:11 PM |
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. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 09:11 PM |
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We not talking about machine counts... but the accuracy of the exit polling |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 08:39 PM |
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Aug-14-11 08:27 PM |
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Aug-14-11 08:29 PM |
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Aug-14-11 08:45 PM |
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Lol, like the ridiculous rumor that was spread that a bag from Delafield had TEN-THOUSAND ballots in |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 08:50 PM |
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...more like a whole toupee. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 08:51 PM |
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yeah, no |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 08:13 PM |
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Oh? |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 08:30 PM |
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(ducks the moving goalposts) |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 08:34 PM |
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My Gawd!! |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 08:36 PM |
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ROFLMAO |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 08:46 PM |
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All did except FOX... then a funny thing happened |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 11:02 PM |
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all did WHAT? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 05:34 AM |
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Aug-15-11 08:57 AM |
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say what? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 09:07 AM |
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Easy, that is what I am saying if you read the thread |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 11:12 PM |
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who says they were "trusted" until 2000? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 05:48 AM |
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Until 2000 they were |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-15-11 11:12 AM |
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seeing Ukraine |
foo_bar |
Aug-15-11 12:10 PM |
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And a popular protest should have been the reaction |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-15-11 12:12 PM |
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you're pretty much waving your hands here |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 12:34 PM |
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Networks |
SnakeEyes |
Aug-15-11 10:27 AM |
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When you hear of President Carter going some where to watch over an election...... |
Aaria |
Aug-15-11 11:47 AM |
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I think you're citing urban legends |
foo_bar |
Aug-15-11 12:32 PM |
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I stand corrected, but it's odd that the exit polls that correctly predicted the 7 elections before |
Aaria |
Aug-15-11 02:36 PM |
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the key to that is understanding what it means |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 03:37 PM |
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I think it would be odd if it were true |
foo_bar |
Aug-15-11 04:50 PM |
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wow, I almost wish that last part were true |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 12:39 PM |
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I'm sorry,I must disagree. |
emcguffie |
Aug-15-11 02:39 PM |
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well, "canard" was harsh |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 03:00 PM |
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You know I disagree with you entirely about 2004. |
emcguffie |
Aug-15-11 05:50 PM |
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so, do you think Kerry won New Hampshire by 15 points? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 06:52 PM |
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they are actually the best known canary to detect election fraud! |
robinlynne |
Aug-15-11 01:16 AM |
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So people from other countries can screw it up too? |
SnakeEyes |
Aug-15-11 10:20 AM |
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Exit polls are just an indicator and can be wildly off. |
mwooldri |
Aug-15-11 08:33 AM |
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Oh brother... |
greytdemocrat |
Aug-14-11 05:21 PM |
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We need risk-limiting, post-election audits (samplings) of paper ballots... |
AmBlue |
Aug-14-11 11:32 PM |
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This. |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 08:07 AM |
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I would fully support this. And since we require paper, we're in a good position to do it. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 09:35 AM |
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Yes! |
BeFree |
Aug-15-11 11:58 AM |
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The public outcry for post-election audits has been missing... |
AmBlue |
Aug-15-11 12:37 PM |
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OH YES, I FORGOT THAT EXIT POLLS ONLY WORK IN OTHER COUNTRIES |
HowHasItComeToThis |
Aug-15-11 12:26 AM |
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Exits polls were accurate in 2006 and 2008. |
RandySF |
Aug-15-11 12:52 AM |
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There were issues in 2008. |
EFerrari |
Aug-15-11 01:30 AM |
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coincidentally exit polls worked in the US until 2000 |
elehhhhna |
Aug-15-11 09:24 AM |
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that's an urban legend |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 09:43 AM |
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Don't forget when the Exit pollers are shut down for hours |
midnight |
Aug-15-11 12:00 PM |
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Butler Village. n/t |
EFerrari |
Aug-15-11 12:32 PM |
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I have worked with exit polling. Statitiscians can determine the exact possibilities |
robinlynne |
Aug-15-11 01:13 AM |
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Yes, they CAN, but if you read the link they say that they DIDN'T. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 05:45 AM |
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sorry, no |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 07:24 AM |
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I just want to understand your position, which I do not. |
emcguffie |
Aug-15-11 02:33 PM |
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It is no longer enough to "win".. We must now win in a landslide.. |
annabanana |
Aug-14-11 12:55 PM |
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Yeah, I've mentioned that before............. |
socialist_n_TN |
Aug-14-11 01:02 PM |
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Get rid of the godddam machines. |
aquart |
Aug-14-11 01:18 PM |
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I know! |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 01:22 PM |
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Not entirely true. Poll workers look at all ballots to verify initials at close. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 01:51 PM |
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since when do they initial ballots?? |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:07 PM |
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Since always, to my knowledge. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 02:08 PM |
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the voter initials the ballot? |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:16 PM |
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No, the poll workers |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 02:18 PM |
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how is that double checking the ballots? |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:23 PM |
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I didn't say that. Only that your claim that "the election workers are not allowed to look at the |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 02:26 PM |
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Your defense of this election being valid is based on your being at the precinct observing |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:29 PM |
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Indeed, and likewise, there is no evidence of fraud. None. Not now and not in the SC race. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 02:31 PM |
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No, not "likewise". |
eomer |
Aug-14-11 04:07 PM |
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Aug-14-11 04:21 PM |
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...then when the elections totals are flipped, as they did in Ohio 2004 |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 01:19 PM |
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that's incorrect |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 03:18 PM |
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Thanks for the link. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 03:22 PM |
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(blush) |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 04:08 PM |
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I've "brought it on"...in 2004! |
Sancho |
Aug-14-11 06:26 PM |
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well... |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 08:42 PM |
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They media must have thought the exit polls were important |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 07:17 PM |
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what was on that exit poll page? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 08:18 PM |
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How about an actual study instead |
kenfrequed |
Aug-15-11 07:02 AM |
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? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 07:38 AM |
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Using PeaceNikki's input, one might conclude that either.... |
Scuba |
Aug-14-11 01:15 PM |
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This is how a real Democracy behaves when elections are stolen |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 01:17 PM |
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Until the elections can be verified |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-14-11 01:18 PM |
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It's past the time to go back to paper ballots. EOM |
Frustratedlady |
Aug-14-11 01:23 PM |
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We use paper ballots in Wisconsin, as required by law. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 01:25 PM |
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Correct. What we need is HAND COUNTED paper ballots. n/t |
Scuba |
Aug-14-11 01:43 PM |
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People make mistakes, too. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 01:48 PM |
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People make mistakes, true, but the machines can be (and are) rigged. n/t |
Scuba |
Aug-14-11 01:51 PM |
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Looks like you have another |
pintobean |
Aug-14-11 01:56 PM |
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Indeed. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 01:59 PM |
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I am not friends with Nikki |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:01 PM |
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Pardon my assumption. |
pintobean |
Aug-14-11 02:09 PM |
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Thank you for standing your ground on this issue. n/t |
murielm99 |
Aug-14-11 10:32 PM |
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if the paper ballots are not counted by hand |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 01:58 PM |
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Untrue. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 02:02 PM |
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did election workers count the ballots? NO! Your statement is confusing |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:06 PM |
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My mistake, I read "recall" as "recount". Correct, no handcounts in reCALL. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 02:08 PM |
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No hand counts in recall |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 10:04 PM |
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admiring their efforts ...unfortunately, doesn't mean it's accurate. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-15-11 09:30 AM |
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I never said "ignore". And if you "know election reform" be intellectually honest for a moment. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 10:04 AM |
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You only need to be able to do math |
BeFree |
Aug-15-11 10:42 AM |
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stunned that people would unrec a thread such as this.... |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:27 PM |
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proof |
stklurker |
Aug-14-11 02:40 PM |
#39 |
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How would Republicans act if every election, fishy things happen that always benefit Dems |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:48 PM |
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Hack the vote |
stklurker |
Aug-14-11 03:29 PM |
#46 |
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Your joking right? |
Imajika |
Aug-14-11 05:24 PM |
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Unlike republicans |
BeFree |
Aug-14-11 10:06 PM |
#125 |
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I have about as much faith in our elections and that Republicans |
Aerows |
Aug-14-11 02:33 PM |
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Why can't the counting of each precinct be broadcast live? |
a simple pattern |
Aug-14-11 02:37 PM |
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great idea |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 02:51 PM |
#41 |
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This happened in NM in the Kerry election before we demanded change |
duhneece |
Aug-14-11 03:39 PM |
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I would like to learn more about this change in NM - the history of how it came to be. Would you |
54anickel |
Aug-15-11 09:59 AM |
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Opscans are, for the most part, what Wisconsin uses. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-15-11 10:08 AM |
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..or we just didn't do as well as we hoped. |
Imajika |
Aug-14-11 04:35 PM |
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an exit poll polls people immediately AFTER they vote |
scheming daemons |
Aug-14-11 04:42 PM |
#56 |
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Really depends on the exit poll... |
Imajika |
Aug-14-11 05:07 PM |
#57 |
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to be fair, it isn't just about doing the polls right |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 06:14 PM |
#63 |
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Factor in the fact that these exit polls were done by a well known liberal leaning group |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 07:25 PM |
#72 |
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well, I don't know how obvious that is to voters |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-11 08:28 PM |
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This is only presenting 5 polling places. Out of dozens. And they didn't come close to 70% |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 06:42 AM |
#156 |
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I agree that there isn't much (or aren't many) data here |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 07:56 AM |
#160 |
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Only if they capture 100% of the voters. And they don't. Further, this group |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 05:49 PM |
#62 |
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...and we have a winner. n/t |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 07:15 PM |
#70 |
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The vote count numbers are not unusal... The exit poll numbers are not accuate...period. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 05:13 PM |
#58 |
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Exit polls have accually proven to be amazingly accurate |
DefenseLawyer |
Aug-14-11 06:32 PM |
#66 |
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prove that out for me would you. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 06:56 PM |
#68 |
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Earl g caught them changing the exit poll numbers in the middle of the night |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 07:25 PM |
#74 |
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...again your comparing aardvarks to artichokes, there,s no logic to that statement. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 07:34 PM |
#75 |
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the 'vote' numbers were counted by machines, humans took the exit polls |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-14-11 06:37 PM |
#67 |
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Errr... whats that have to do with the accuaracy of your proposed exit polling results? |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 06:58 PM |
#69 |
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thanks for being here |
fascisthunter |
Aug-15-11 09:12 AM |
#167 |
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If it is close enough to steal, rethugs WILL steal it.....the exit polls |
MaeScott |
Aug-14-11 05:16 PM |
#59 |
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Choicepoint programmed the machines, (DBT)> And Dibold |
upi402 |
Aug-14-11 06:30 PM |
#65 |
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Thats a false statement. |
Ellipsis |
Aug-14-11 07:25 PM |
#73 |
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... |
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel |
Aug-14-11 08:03 PM |
#77 |
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People lie to exit polls. A good organization has people going around lying to as many of them as |
RB TexLa |
Aug-14-11 08:31 PM |
#89 |
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If that's true |
DefenseLawyer |
Aug-14-11 08:41 PM |
#100 |
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Isn't this thread about how they are not accurate? |
RB TexLa |
Aug-14-11 09:25 PM |
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No. It's not. |
DefenseLawyer |
Aug-14-11 10:57 PM |
#132 |
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In local races I doubt that they are that accurate because of how you use them to |
RB TexLa |
Aug-14-11 11:19 PM |
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Aug-14-11 10:01 PM |
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Aug-14-11 10:13 PM |
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We should start inviting foreign observers to verify our elections |
on point |
Aug-14-11 09:22 PM |
#111 |
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Or we could all become more involved and make elections things we are directly working on. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-14-11 09:26 PM |
#114 |
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That's fine, but agitating for foreign observers would be good too. |
on point |
Aug-15-11 01:36 AM |
#145 |
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I knew it. |
joanbarnes |
Aug-14-11 09:51 PM |
#118 |
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There we go lookin' back again...why, we might see something we don't like: |
blkmusclmachine |
Aug-14-11 10:25 PM |
#128 |
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K & R x 1000 n/t |
orbitalman |
Aug-14-11 10:48 PM |
#131 |
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Exit polling is always accuarte - In 2000 exit polling had Gore winning Fl. |
GreenTea |
Aug-15-11 12:04 AM |
#137 |
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You missed this part that the OP dropped from the EDA link: |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 05:46 AM |
#148 |
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lots of wrong information here |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 06:05 AM |
#150 |
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Wrong! |
GreenTea |
Aug-15-11 02:08 PM |
#196 |
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sorry, but your enthusiasm doesn't constitute evidence |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-11 02:38 PM |
#199 |
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All the GOP has to do is get a small percentage of their voters to refuse exit pollsters and it gets |
applegrove |
Aug-15-11 12:22 AM |
#138 |
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Or, you can work your butt off on a rigged election and eat that |
EFerrari |
Aug-15-11 01:36 AM |
#144 |
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Sadly, once our voting system is suspect, even the |
spicegal |
Aug-15-11 06:07 AM |
#151 |
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During the presidential race of 2008, I made calls to voters. |
fasttense |
Aug-15-11 06:31 AM |
#155 |
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There's lots of nonsense in this thread, let me correct just one: |
Democracyinkind |
Aug-15-11 06:27 AM |
#154 |
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how embarrassing it must be to admit you voted GOP! |
mimitabby |
Aug-15-11 08:58 AM |
#164 |
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Without Paper Ballots |
fascisthunter |
Aug-15-11 09:05 AM |
#165 |
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Wisconsin has a law that requires paper ballots. |
PeaceNikki |
Aug-15-11 09:33 AM |
#171 |
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Name removed |
Aug-15-11 10:56 AM |
#181 |
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Time for a real Tea Party, Toss the machines in the drink....Watch this. |
Aaria |
Aug-15-11 11:43 AM |
#183 |
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kick |
waking wisconsin |
Aug-16-11 11:16 AM |
#210 |
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Locking |
cbayer |
Aug-16-11 02:12 PM |
#211 |
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