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229. MLK was not great "in spite of " his religion, his activism was DEFINED by his faith...
Read these 7 paragraphs and refute:

You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may want to ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all"

Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I-it" relationship for an "I-thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and awful. Paul Tillich said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression 'of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.

Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal.

Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law. Who can say that the legislature of Alabama which set up that state's segregation laws was democratically elected? Throughout Alabama all sorts of devious methods are used to prevent Negroes from becoming registered voters, and there are some counties in which, even though Negroes constitute a majority of the population, not a single Negro is registered. Can any law enacted under such circumstances be considered democratically structured?

Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.

I hope you are able to ace the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience. In our own nation, the Boston Tea Party represented a massive act of civil disobedience.


Religion is like fire. In the right hands, it a great good and provides light and warmth, in the wrong hands, it burns everything it touches.

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  -OK, I admit it. I will openly discriminate against the highly religious in the 2012 elections. backscatter712  Aug-12-11 04:00 PM   #0 
  - Sad? Sound like common sense to me. nt  PassingFair   Aug-12-11 04:01 PM   #1 
  - Could have just as easily said, don't vote Republican.  Kurmudgeon   Aug-12-11 07:16 PM   #48 
  - But that's no fun at all ...  66 dmhlt   Aug-12-11 07:57 PM   #64 
  - Wasn't Obama basing his "belief"in traditional non-gay marriage on his religious beliefs?  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:03 PM   #76 
     - Maybe he was but his actions prove that he has evolved  MadMaddie   Aug-12-11 09:12 PM   #79 
     - So there has been little we could ...  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:27 PM   #86 
        - Highly Religious  aero56   Aug-13-11 09:03 AM   #150 
        - Read the post I was responding to --  defendandprotect   Aug-13-11 07:57 PM   #248 
        - Actually, one of the few things Obama seems to have done right--  Moonwalk   Aug-13-11 10:01 AM   #181 
        - Partially agree --  defendandprotect   Aug-13-11 08:41 PM   #249 
        - How many good people has he nominated only to be stopped  MadMaddie   Aug-13-11 08:48 PM   #250 
     - Personal belief and public policy can be separate n/t  alp227   Aug-13-11 02:01 AM   #112 
        - Possible . . . as is the concept of honest men --  defendandprotect   Aug-13-11 09:00 PM   #251 
  - you won't be a bigot. you are voting against poseurs. these are  roguevalley   Aug-13-11 12:20 PM   #203 
  - This is an intelligent decision....why are you sad about it ?  RagAss   Aug-12-11 04:02 PM   #2 
  - Sad that atheists are considered completely unelectable in the U.S. n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:03 PM   #3 
     - Well actually,,,has any self-proclaimed atheist ever run for President.?  RagAss   Aug-12-11 04:06 PM   #6 
     - IIRC, the atheists who've actually made it just to Congress could be counted on one hand.  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:18 PM   #11 
     - I'd still love to see a candidate say "No, no religion. I don't believe in fairy tales"  RagAss   Aug-12-11 04:35 PM   #18 
        - Me too! n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 05:04 PM   #23 
        - Me Three!!!!  maheanuu   Aug-12-11 08:56 PM   #73 
           - When did we get promoted to 2nd Class status? n/t  BiggJawn   Aug-12-11 11:06 PM   #100 
           - hmm...  chervilant   Aug-13-11 08:21 AM   #141 
        - TJ  PassingFair   Aug-13-11 12:26 PM   #204 
     - Studies have been done asking, "Would you vote for a president who is ______"  jeff47   Aug-12-11 05:02 PM   #22 
     - What studies? Have a link?  RagAss   Aug-12-11 05:15 PM   #28 
        - Here's one. There are many. google is your friend.  riderinthestorm   Aug-12-11 06:30 PM   #44 
           - Thanks but this is an old study...just prior to the "in your face" nutjob revolution of late.  RagAss   Aug-12-11 08:55 PM   #72 
              - the country has gotten...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-12-11 09:45 PM   #91 
              - 2007 Gallup better?  jeff47   Aug-12-11 11:47 PM   #105 
              - I explicitly said that this was only one of many. All polls are in line with the one I posted.  riderinthestorm   Aug-13-11 09:54 AM   #173 
     - polls indicate....  awoke_in_2003   Aug-12-11 09:43 PM   #90 
     - I think in some states a belief in god is required to run at all  CarrieLynne   Aug-13-11 09:54 AM   #174 
     - I do wonder why.  Union Scribe   Aug-12-11 05:59 PM   #32 
        - That's not a slur. You should know what one is before accusing anyone of them.  Zhade   Aug-12-11 06:29 PM   #42 
        - Right. People choose their beliefs, and thus aren't protected from mocking.  Arugula Latte   Aug-12-11 07:49 PM   #63 
           - I don't think that's so. People don't have conscious control over their beliefs.  immoderate   Aug-12-11 09:28 PM   #88 
              - So religion is not an intellectual belief? I agree. nt  fishbulb703   Aug-12-11 11:22 PM   #102 
              - 99% of the time your parents control your religious belief.  obxhead   Aug-13-11 09:50 AM   #170 
        - I have no connection to this site but it expresses my own thoughts very clearly  Fred Engels   Aug-12-11 06:59 PM   #45 
        - Religion is a personal belief system ... your choice ... we are free to challenge all such beliefs!  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:06 PM   #77 
        - DU is not a public arena, it is a privately owned, members only forum  demwing   Aug-12-11 09:49 PM   #92 
        - Of course DU is a public arena ...  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 10:04 PM   #93 
        - Well, I see the mindset that drove me away years ago is still active.  BiggJawn   Aug-12-11 11:13 PM   #101 
        - Well this thread still stands, so apparently you're safe  demwing   Aug-13-11 07:41 AM   #131 
           - win for the bigotry!  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 08:09 AM   #137 
           - Apply your teeth to my buttocks. N/T  BiggJawn   Aug-14-11 12:17 AM   #258 
        - Thank you. (But it's not true when it comes to religious intolerance.)  astral   Aug-13-11 08:52 AM   #149 
        - Gays vs. the Religious are Apples and Oranges...  Moonwalk   Aug-13-11 11:35 AM   #195 
           - That is an excellent post.  Luminous Animal   Aug-13-11 03:42 PM   #235 
        - It is still heavily viewed by a wide range of political persuations. nt  humblebum   Aug-13-11 12:43 PM   #211 
        - So would you say the same thing about political beliefs?  Arugula Latte   Aug-13-11 01:39 PM   #214 
           - no, because it's not a disallowed behavior  demwing   Aug-13-11 11:54 PM   #257 
        - Religion is a personal belief system ... your choice ... we are free to challenge all such beliefs!  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 07:55 AM   #134 
        - there is such a thing as reasonable religion and unreasonable religion.  tomp   Aug-13-11 07:09 AM   #130 
           - there is such a thing as reasonable religion  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 08:18 AM   #140 
              - religion is about belief....  tomp   Aug-13-11 03:30 PM   #230 
  - Just a reminder--Ayn Rand was an atheist.  Critters2   Aug-12-11 04:04 PM   #4 
  - Point - I wouldn't vote for her - she's batshit in a different direction.  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:10 PM   #9 
  - If the candidate is a Pentecostal, I wouldn't care how liberal they were  Taverner   Aug-12-11 04:52 PM   #21 
  - OK .. we now have 100's of Catholics in Congress -- and RCC is going EVANGELIST...!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:10 PM   #78 
  - Harry Reid is a pretty pathetic Democrat too. (NT)  Tesha   Aug-12-11 05:11 PM   #27 
  - Only because of the billing issue  izquierdista   Aug-12-11 06:04 PM   #35 
  - Misses the point.  wickerwoman   Aug-12-11 07:37 PM   #56 
  - Reid is a rather poor example of a Democrat -- and how strong is he on ERA, Roe vs Wade?  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:12 PM   #80 
  - and Hitler was a Catholic.  provis99   Aug-13-11 12:59 AM   #109 
  - Assholes come in every stripe, color, creed, and shape,  darkstar3   Aug-13-11 02:20 AM   #115 
  - I would like to have an opportunity to vote for an atheist, but that doesn't mean that  totodeinhere   Aug-13-11 01:42 PM   #216 
  - No "rapture ready" person should ever be considered for that office.  Donnachaidh   Aug-12-11 04:06 PM   #5 
  - I keep picturing Bill Hicks...  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:09 PM   #8 
  - Remember this Pope is taking RCC all the way to Evangelicalism ... !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:14 PM   #81 
  - It's only sad because we actually have those people vying for the Presidency  lunatica   Aug-12-11 04:09 PM   #7 
  - I feel the same way.  MessiahRp   Aug-12-11 04:16 PM   #10 
  - Amen!!! n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:19 PM   #12 
  - Sure, but Obama is just like the GOP ....  JoePhilly   Aug-12-11 04:20 PM   #13 
  - Wasn't his support for  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:15 PM   #82 
  - Hey, at least Obama pays lip service to non-believers and doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 09:47 AM   #169 
  - What is the difference  MrDiaz   Aug-12-11 04:22 PM   #14 
  - A significant bias towards reality, rather than delusion. n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:23 PM   #15 
  - !  muffin1   Aug-12-11 06:14 PM   #37 
  - A significant bias towards reality, rather than delusion.  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 08:30 AM   #144 
  - Extremism.  Wait Wut   Aug-12-11 04:28 PM   #17 
  - The correlation would be someone not voting for another because the  moksha   Aug-12-11 05:08 PM   #25 
  - I won't vote for an extremist Muslim, for the same reason I won't vote for an extremist Christian.  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 05:27 PM   #30 
  - No -- homosexuality isn't a personal choice ... religion is ...  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:18 PM   #84 
     - Religion is a personal choice? Is whether or not you believe in God a personal choice?  astral   Aug-13-11 09:09 AM   #153 
        - Yes, it most certainly IS a personal choice.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 02:26 PM   #222 
        - Do you not understand "Separation of Church & State" ... ?  defendandprotect   Aug-13-11 09:14 PM   #252 
  - As an atheist who eschews religion from the public sphere and, actually,  Luminous Animal   Aug-12-11 05:16 PM   #29 
  - I dunno. What's the difference between the FBI and the Ku Klux Klan?  yardwork   Aug-12-11 06:02 PM   #34 
  - Is there anything about being gay or muslim that disqualifies you from a job?  wickerwoman   Aug-12-11 07:40 PM   #58 
  - im not sure what being gay and global warming  iamthebandfanman   Aug-12-11 07:43 PM   #59 
  - I refuse to discriminate  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 04:26 PM   #16 
  - This is an EXCELLENT post! May I copy and spread it around?  Lint Head   Aug-12-11 04:38 PM   #19 
  - By all means! n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 04:40 PM   #20 
  - I don't vote for crazy people of any stripe  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 05:07 PM   #24 
  - Well, you may have a hard time doing that:  dtexdem   Aug-12-11 05:11 PM   #26 
  - That contributes to how fucked up America is.  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 05:51 PM   #31 
  - I say this as a person of faith....  one_voice   Aug-12-11 06:00 PM   #33 
  - Where were you  LWolf   Aug-12-11 06:07 PM   #36 
  - agreed, and thank you  demwing   Aug-13-11 08:14 AM   #139 
  - as long as their practice ends at the end of their nose  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 08:36 AM   #145 
     - It can in this sense:  LWolf   Aug-13-11 09:58 AM   #177 
  - K&R, baby.  muffin1   Aug-12-11 06:15 PM   #38 
  - THIS. People can be religious, I just won't reward their irrationality by voting for them.  Zhade   Aug-12-11 06:25 PM   #39 
  - i don't want to live under their Fascist Theocracy.. link>>  dogmoma56   Aug-12-11 06:30 PM   #43 
  - they are a Cult, if the Xings described werent in it they would call it the Anti-Christ,  dogmoma56   Aug-12-11 06:27 PM   #40 
  - I have always openly discriminated against right-wing assholes!  santamargarita   Aug-12-11 06:29 PM   #41 
  - Amen! again.......Amen! SO well said.  joanbarnes   Aug-12-11 07:09 PM   #46 
  - Thanks  Duck   Aug-12-11 07:10 PM   #47 
  - The time is running out...please read and think.  Duck   Aug-12-11 10:21 PM   #95 
  - I wouldn't vote for them, or shop at their business  cheapdate   Aug-12-11 07:17 PM   #49 
  - Just the opposite for me.  ForgoTheConsequence   Aug-12-11 07:24 PM   #52 
     - I will go to excessive lengths to buy American made products.  cheapdate   Aug-12-11 09:42 PM   #89 
  - I do that in everything in my life. I will not go to a business that advertises  beyurslf   Aug-12-11 07:17 PM   #50 
  - K & R - and here I thought I was the only one, even though I knew I couldn't be.  Raksha   Aug-12-11 07:19 PM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-11 07:25 PM   #53 
  - I limit my comment to Christians because that's really the only type of religion I have experience  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 08:49 AM   #148 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 06:26 PM   #245 
  - Every now and then someone writes about something  Control-Z   Aug-12-11 07:29 PM   #54 
  - Go for it! n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 08:50 PM   #68 
  - Matthew 6:5  MsPithy   Aug-12-11 07:30 PM   #55 
  - I do not believe they are expecially "religious". I believe they see their  annabanana   Aug-12-11 07:40 PM   #57 
  - Yep. They want to impose Christian Sharia and make us all live The Handmaid's Tale. n/t  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 08:51 PM   #69 
  - I laughed at the OP till I snorted.  gauguin57   Aug-12-11 07:45 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-11 07:46 PM   #61 
  - This is precisely why Rick Perry scares me to death.  AngryOldDem   Aug-12-11 07:47 PM   #62 
  - Will you vote for a Christian churchgoer who says that he does "a lot of praying"  Nye Bevan   Aug-12-11 08:04 PM   #65 
  - I almost always discriminate against the overtly religious in elections,  kestrel91316   Aug-12-11 08:08 PM   #66 
  - I might make an exception for real Christians and similar believers  Retrograde   Aug-12-11 08:10 PM   #67 
  - Be careful!  Creideiki   Aug-12-11 08:53 PM   #70 
  - Right on.  sarcasmo   Aug-12-11 08:53 PM   #71 
  - I should have added: If you hear God speaking to you in your head,  backscatter712   Aug-12-11 08:57 PM   #74 
  - I guess that makes me prejudiced too  NightWatcher   Aug-13-11 12:17 AM   #108 
  - Contrary to ideals of democracy to support ANY organized patriarchal religion, imo --  defendandprotect   Aug-12-11 09:00 PM   #75 
  - Oral Roberts' son was saying that these people are hiding their  gateley   Aug-12-11 09:16 PM   #83 
  - Wasn't the tea party  crunchie   Aug-12-11 11:54 PM   #106 
     - I'm not sure of the genesis of the Tea Party, but at the very  gateley   Aug-13-11 09:47 PM   #254 
  - A Huge K&R  avebury   Aug-12-11 09:25 PM   #85 
  - K&R. n/t  TriMera   Aug-12-11 09:27 PM   #87 
  - You are not discriminating. They are openly proclaiming themselves to be TOTALLY unfit for office.  on point   Aug-12-11 10:13 PM   #94 
  - the roots of organized power hungry nutball religion, right here: http://youtu.be/HnrfuTUlqVs  certainot   Aug-12-11 10:36 PM   #96 
  - right here:  certainot   Aug-12-11 10:39 PM   #97 
  - I think Obama would violate at least one of your tests. In Feb, 2011  kelly1mm   Aug-12-11 10:53 PM   #98 
  - There's a big part of the problem right there.  The Doctor.   Aug-12-11 10:54 PM   #99 
  - Rotten Brains  domonkos   Aug-12-11 11:24 PM   #103 
  - I'm confused. Is it the highly religious or only those that fit the criteria you list?  lynne   Aug-12-11 11:42 PM   #104 
  - including my pastors  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:04 AM   #151 
  - Like I always say, I am voting for the President of all, not a National Pastor.  Ruby the Liberal   Aug-13-11 12:03 AM   #107 
  - newcomer eh? welcome! n/t  upi402   Aug-13-11 01:00 AM   #110 
  - it seems very clear that you equate personal faith in a deity as being the same as the horrible  Divine Discontent   Aug-13-11 01:54 AM   #111 
  - And the FUNDAMENTALISTS are never you, your friends, or your church, are they?  darkstar3   Aug-13-11 02:24 AM   #116 
  - laughable accusations  Divine Discontent   Aug-13-11 04:10 AM   #119 
     - laughable accusations  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:16 AM   #154 
        - yawn  Divine Discontent   Aug-13-11 05:27 PM   #243 
  - What part of your beliefs ARE grounded in reality?  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 11:33 AM   #194 
  - Fox News wuvs those types of candidates but freaks out over Jeremiah Wright?  alp227   Aug-13-11 02:01 AM   #113 
  - That's how I live my daily life.  Lucian   Aug-13-11 02:05 AM   #114 
  - I don't care what religion someone is, as long as they don't try to change laws based on it or  krabigirl   Aug-13-11 02:26 AM   #117 
  - exactly! I don't think about a person's religion or lack thereof when deciding who to vote for  Divine Discontent   Aug-13-11 04:15 AM   #120 
  - Agreed 100%! But when a person states that their beliefs will guide them in their decisions...  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 11:36 AM   #196 
     - I don't mind someone, if asked in running for office, answers a beliefs question, however, they  Divine Discontent   Aug-13-11 05:32 PM   #244 
  - Honestly, it really should be private,  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:23 AM   #156 
  - It will be a wonderful day when this nation  darkstar3   Aug-13-11 02:28 AM   #118 
  - LOL.... Fly my wicked monkeys!  Veracious   Aug-13-11 04:22 AM   #121 
  - Jesus is cool  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:25 AM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 06:12 AM   #122 
  - And you've been diagnosed with what exactly?  cordelia   Aug-13-11 06:51 AM   #125 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 06:20 AM   #123 
  - Alerted?  chervilant   Aug-13-11 09:16 AM   #155 
  - It certainly is, especially when the religious display their bigotry so openly.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 11:37 AM   #197 
     - COUGH! Excuse me. Hard to keep a straight face. nt  humblebum   Aug-13-11 03:31 PM   #231 
        - I know, right! I do wonder just HOW you post the things you do with a straight face.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 03:40 PM   #234 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 06:29 AM   #124 
  - how did you arrive at that? not via logic. nt  tomp   Aug-13-11 06:57 AM   #127 
     - interesting definition of logic you have  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-13-11 07:02 AM   #128 
        - "I will discriminate against you because you hold religious beliefs"  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:29 AM   #159 
           - right...this posting slams religious beliefs of about 3 or 4 sects  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-13-11 10:13 AM   #183 
  - churches that claim to have the one, only, and final word of god....  tomp   Aug-13-11 06:55 AM   #126 
  - Remember this?  Fred Engels   Aug-13-11 07:56 PM   #247 
     - brilliant! thanks. nt  tomp   Aug-14-11 07:30 AM   #260 
  - Amen  Hubert Flottz   Aug-13-11 07:08 AM   #129 
  - Don't smear all religions...........  WranglerRog   Aug-13-11 07:47 AM   #132 
  - Which ones are those?  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 02:28 PM   #223 
  - Your list is on the money.... but...  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 07:49 AM   #133 
  - Prayer as a solution . . .  astral   Aug-13-11 09:33 AM   #161 
  - Yup, religion THRIVES on pain and suffering.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 09:37 AM   #164 
  - If this were a thread about voting third party, it would have been locked immediately  demwing   Aug-13-11 07:57 AM   #135 
  - I agree, however the stand against the hypocrisy of those interjecting  harun   Aug-13-11 08:11 AM   #138 
  - I'll take it a step further - IMO, Dems should embrace the PROGRESSIVE religious  demwing   Aug-13-11 08:23 AM   #143 
  - Many Liberals  polmaven   Aug-13-11 08:42 AM   #146 
  - Many Liberals DO look to oppress religion.  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:35 AM   #162 
  - hmm...  chervilant   Aug-13-11 09:23 AM   #157 
     - There are unseen things you believe in too.  harun   Aug-13-11 09:41 AM   #165 
        - There are unseen things you believe in too.  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:50 AM   #171 
        - Like what, exactly?  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 02:31 PM   #225 
        - hmm...  chervilant   Aug-13-11 07:38 PM   #246 
  - Riiight. Because the religious inthis country are SOOOO persecuted.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 02:30 PM   #224 
  - And it's my opinion that hatetheists shouldn't hold office  demwing   Aug-13-11 08:09 AM   #136 
  - Excellent post.  pintobean   Aug-13-11 08:22 AM   #142 
  - Thank you, demwing...  polmaven   Aug-13-11 08:48 AM   #147 
  - "hatetheists"  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 09:37 AM   #163 
  - You should pull your zipper up  demwing   Aug-13-11 09:55 AM   #175 
  - Even liberal religious sects thrive on pain and suffering.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 09:56 AM   #176 
  - Which is why Rev King was so invested in maintaining the status quo, right?  demwing   Aug-13-11 10:07 AM   #182 
     - He certainly wasn't a radical, and only wanted piecemeal reforms.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 10:24 AM   #185 
        - So you think MLK thrived on the suffering of the people?  demwing   Aug-13-11 10:51 AM   #190 
        - You tell me.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 10:58 AM   #191 
           - Easy - "No. MLK Did NOT 'Thrive' on Pain And Sufferring"  demwing   Aug-13-11 11:45 AM   #198 
              - MLK was a definitely great man who was needed at the time.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 01:27 PM   #213 
                 - MLK was not great "in spite of " his religion, his activism was DEFINED by his faith...  demwing   Aug-13-11 03:22 PM   #229 
                    - Well, to use your analogy...  LAGC   Aug-13-11 03:46 PM   #237 
                       - That's a different debate - what we are talking about right here is whether MLK  demwing   Aug-13-11 04:30 PM   #240 
                          - Well, excuse me for trying to steer the conversation back to the point of the OP, silly me.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 04:45 PM   #241 
                             - You didn't imply anything, you wrote it outright  demwing   Aug-13-11 05:11 PM   #242 
        - Illogical. By that measure every people's movement leader qualifies  Go2Peace   Aug-13-11 12:37 PM   #208 
           - Thanks for the link.  LAGC   Aug-13-11 02:07 PM   #221 
              - Now that would be great.  Go2Peace   Aug-13-11 10:39 PM   #255 
  - An Angry Atheist is Exactly What America Needs!  NoodleyAppendage   Aug-13-11 10:01 AM   #180 
  - This!  Go2Peace   Aug-13-11 12:32 PM   #206 
  - hmm...  chervilant   Aug-13-11 09:09 AM   #152 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 09:29 AM   #160 
  - dumb and bigoted!  AlbertCat   Aug-13-11 10:01 AM   #179 
  - K&R - I don't give a fuck WHAT religion someone is - just don't push it on me.  HopeHoops   Aug-13-11 09:44 AM   #166 
  - Love what backscatter712 says  HelenWheels   Aug-13-11 09:46 AM   #167 
  - Amen.....  babsbunny   Aug-13-11 09:47 AM   #168 
  - I agree 1000%!!!!  CarrieLynne   Aug-13-11 09:51 AM   #172 
  - RAMEN!!!  NoodleyAppendage   Aug-13-11 09:59 AM   #178 
  - I thought the purpose of DU was to help Democrats. This ain't doin' it. nt  humblebum   Aug-13-11 10:18 AM   #184 
  - Agreed, the apologists do NOT help Democrats in any way.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 11:56 AM   #200 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 12:40 PM   #210 
     - At least you can recoginze that your own posts are trolling, mindless babble.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 03:43 PM   #236 
  - Smart folks the world over must get a grip and work much, much harder to  ooglymoogly   Aug-13-11 10:34 AM   #186 
  - Even when those zealots are radical atheists. nt  humblebum   Aug-13-11 01:21 PM   #212 
     - Yes, since those "radical athesists" are such a modern threat.  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 03:47 PM   #238 
  - The problem is not the "religious"  azureblue   Aug-13-11 10:36 AM   #187 
  - re: "highly religious"...... Would JFK, RFK or Teddy have passed muster?  hlthe2b   Aug-13-11 10:37 AM   #188 
  - Or Jimmy Carter? n/t  totodeinhere   Aug-13-11 01:47 PM   #218 
  - k+r!!  bobhuntsman   Aug-13-11 10:37 AM   #189 
  - Saying god told you to run for office  Warpy   Aug-13-11 11:03 AM   #192 
  - I'm a proud ATHEIST  penndragon69   Aug-13-11 11:22 AM   #193 
  - What is the difference between "highly" religious and just "regular" religious?  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 11:55 AM   #199 
  - Oh, that's refreshing someone on DU admitting their bias up front. +1  patrice   Aug-13-11 12:05 PM   #201 
  - I am against all tEaVangelIcaLs  RobertSeattle   Aug-13-11 12:20 PM   #202 
  - WITH you on that! They confuse others and themselves; that pretty much fits the definition of evil.  patrice   Aug-13-11 12:39 PM   #209 
  - What are those?  cleanhippie   Aug-13-11 02:34 PM   #226 
  - Many religious are "utterly deceived" blasphemers.They are mistaken about that which they proclaim.  patrice   Aug-13-11 12:28 PM   #205 
  - Dare I say, "Amen!" nt  valerief   Aug-13-11 12:34 PM   #207 
  - I agree with your analysis except that we need to make it clear that we have  totodeinhere   Aug-13-11 01:39 PM   #215 
  - Jimmy Carter?  DissedByBush   Aug-13-11 01:47 PM   #217 
  - Agree and Recommend as the loudly "religious" are just bullies with self-justification.  Fire Walk With Me   Aug-13-11 01:52 PM   #219 
  - I would discriminate against ALL religious  Bonn1997   Aug-13-11 01:59 PM   #220 
  - K&R!  inna   Aug-13-11 02:44 PM   #227 
  - I guess the OP is not voting for Obama. n/t  trud   Aug-13-11 02:57 PM   #228 
  - I'm assuming you were not a supporter of Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton  bluestateguy   Aug-13-11 03:36 PM   #232 
  - Me too  housewolf   Aug-13-11 03:37 PM   #233 
  - The "highly religious" do tend to put the kibosh on the Enlightenment. (nt)  KansDem   Aug-13-11 04:11 PM   #239 
  - Agree...and wanted to rec but it was started  marlakay   Aug-13-11 09:18 PM   #253 
  - And I'll do the same as the O/P N/T  tonekat   Aug-13-11 10:49 PM   #256 
  - You mean highly Christian religious? Yea, you kinda do.  Zax2me   Aug-14-11 03:26 AM   #259 
 

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