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58. Read again Heinlein's "If This Goes On..."
sobering prognostication on American theocracy, and that was well before the current crop of Jesused-up politicians...
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  -You know, in the country in which I was raised, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann would be . . . . Stinky The Clown  Aug-12-11 07:31 AM   #0 
  - I have been walking around for some years thinking  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 07:38 AM   #1 
  - I agree with you HillbillyBob  madokie   Aug-12-11 07:44 AM   #5 
  - Love Heilein. Aldous Huxley as well.  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 07:55 AM   #7 
  - "Vulcan's Hammer" by Philip K. Dick (1960) was prescient as well....  mwb970   Aug-12-11 07:59 AM   #9 
  - That sounds like a winner. Thanks!  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 08:05 AM   #14 
  - This was the edition I read as a kid. It was a "double novel" paperback.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 11:59 AM   #65 
     - Amazon has  quarbis   Aug-12-11 04:33 PM   #101 
     - Yeah, I saw it there.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 06:43 PM   #118 
     - That is the pure, uncut stuffs....  Bluenorthwest   Aug-13-11 07:52 AM   #137 
  - I will have to pu a copy..I am a voracious reader..and have missed that one  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 08:08 AM   #16 
  - Excellent books all.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:42 AM   #54 
  - Read again Heinlein's "If This Goes On..."  cactusfractal   Aug-12-11 10:49 AM   #58 
  - Oh, just chill out and take your Soma.  gauguin57   Aug-12-11 08:03 PM   #126 
  - +1 - These people are dangerous. n/t  Scuba   Aug-12-11 08:23 AM   #22 
  - I met Heinlein in the late 60's as teenager and got to talk to him and his brother.  gordianot   Aug-12-11 10:18 AM   #44 
  - I am seriously envious.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:44 AM   #56 
     - Be careful what you wish for. Writers can be among the most self-involved jerks around.  Bette Noir   Aug-12-11 12:15 PM   #71 
     - You don't know what you're talking about -  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-12-11 12:49 PM   #84 
     - LOL. True sometimes  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 01:55 PM   #89 
     - Heinlein and his brother were over grown kids wading the muck in the creek.  gordianot   Aug-12-11 02:32 PM   #96 
        - Neo-con? Heh, I don't really think so.  PavePusher   Aug-12-11 07:12 PM   #122 
  - The trying to bring it on is what really scares me about these people  liberal N proud   Aug-12-11 01:15 PM   #86 
  - The problem is  itsnotaboutu   Aug-13-11 12:50 AM   #131 
  - I've mostly recovered long ago but  HillWilliam   Aug-13-11 08:36 AM   #140 
  - You and me both Bob  BobbyBoring   Aug-12-11 02:55 PM   #97 
  - You got that right  madokie   Aug-12-11 07:39 AM   #2 
  - I've been alive since 1955, and I noticed the change with Reagan  catbyte   Aug-12-11 07:42 AM   #4 
  - I think that's when the former "Moonies" went mainstream.  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 08:02 AM   #10 
  - Buddah-boom!  HillWilliam   Aug-13-11 08:40 AM   #141 
  - That was when they started to come out of their churches onto the stage  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 08:06 AM   #15 
  - When I saw the transformation of a couple of my  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 08:12 AM   #17 
  - FYI The Sadducees  USMCMustang   Aug-12-11 10:21 AM   #45 
  - I remember growing up in this era and the religious crazies being marginalized  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:30 PM   #75 
     - I went to a "Holy Roller" summer camp once  Art_from_Ark   Aug-13-11 12:34 AM   #130 
  - I agree. Reagan put us into a steep decline, and we've never fixed it.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 12:06 PM   #66 
  - I think it really started long before Raygun  HillWilliam   Aug-13-11 08:50 AM   #142 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-11 04:43 PM   #103 
     - Pizza, please!!  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 05:10 PM   #110 
     - How do you remove God ? I thought he/she was all powerful?  BlueJazz   Aug-12-11 05:21 PM   #111 
     - Sorry Lenny, but your Xtian Crap is just that  maheanuu   Aug-12-11 05:39 PM   #113 
  - Just grasping at straws here, but isn't it partly due to the  russspeakeasy   Aug-12-11 10:34 AM   #52 
  - K & R. n/t  FSogol   Aug-12-11 07:41 AM   #3 
  - Yep.  muffin1   Aug-12-11 07:51 AM   #6 
  - I can't believe the entire Republican Party is batshitcrazy.  nc4bo   Aug-12-11 07:59 AM   #8 
  - Well, both parties have been moving steadily to the right.  muffin1   Aug-12-11 08:13 AM   #18 
  - It's more than that. It is a cataclysmic shift.  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:38 PM   #80 
  - I think you've got that backwards  Art_from_Ark   Aug-14-11 05:10 AM   #143 
  - Many of the old-line sensible Repubs were simply purged  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 08:58 AM   #28 
     - They ran all of the sane ones out in Florida.  Fuddnik   Aug-12-11 10:31 AM   #51 
     - Which is why we need to retake the local parties.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:48 AM   #57 
  - No, the current crop of Republicans is way beyond what was "fringe" in the '60s.  Bette Noir   Aug-12-11 12:35 PM   #79 
     - You got that right  BobbyBoring   Aug-12-11 03:00 PM   #98 
  - Is this because people CAN'T or because they WON'T see through the bullshit?  patrice   Aug-12-11 08:04 AM   #11 
  - You have the correct answer! The country has become dumber than ever!  dmosh42   Aug-12-11 09:13 AM   #32 
     - There is a point at which the stupid could achieve critical mass. I personally don't believe we're  patrice   Aug-12-11 09:58 AM   #39 
        - P.S. But I do believe that point is FAST approaching. nt  patrice   Aug-12-11 10:01 AM   #41 
  - until the late 70's it was considered unseemly and fringe even in Evangelical circles  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-12-11 08:04 AM   #12 
  - More important is how can we turn it back?  woodsprite   Aug-12-11 08:18 AM   #20 
  - For one thing, drive wedges where you can...  JHB   Aug-12-11 09:33 AM   #35 
     - You could also point out the many, many violations of Christ's teachings by conservatives.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 12:19 PM   #73 
  - Falwell and Robertson. nt  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 08:59 AM   #29 
  - How did it happen? One word - money. n/t  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:51 AM   #59 
  - Silent majority becomes less of a majority and so becomes less silent. I think it is last gasp,  Hissyspit   Aug-12-11 05:23 PM   #112 
  - Great Post.....Welcome to The Future  Armstead   Aug-12-11 08:05 AM   #13 
  - I was just thinking the other day, that what is happening in  EC   Aug-12-11 01:57 PM   #90 
  - The Repub party is making a laughingstock of being Christian.  woodsprite   Aug-12-11 08:15 AM   #19 
  - I just thought with all of them saying God told them to run  EC   Aug-12-11 02:03 PM   #91 
  - I was a liberal Presbyterian too,  dgibby   Aug-12-11 02:05 PM   #92 
  - Yes, I remember those days and back then the Republican Party,  Cleita   Aug-12-11 08:21 AM   #21 
  - You nailed it  get the red out   Aug-12-11 08:35 AM   #23 
  - That cartoon song should be used by Jon Stewart  Cleita   Aug-12-11 08:41 AM   #24 
  - Crazy is IN. (nt)  DirkGently   Aug-12-11 08:43 AM   #25 
  - I started reading Stinky's OP...  RevStPatrick   Aug-12-11 08:46 AM   #26 
  - Reinforcing fanaticism and hate daily...  moondust   Aug-12-11 08:55 AM   #27 
  - I don't think Perry will go as far as some pundits think...  ecstatic   Aug-12-11 09:03 AM   #30 
  - i hope not,  justabob   Aug-12-11 10:29 AM   #50 
  - 2nd  krabigirl   Aug-12-11 12:33 PM   #77 
  - I'm astonished by how fast it all went in the crapper  CanonRay   Aug-12-11 09:09 AM   #31 
  - Well Said, STC.  Paladin   Aug-12-11 09:14 AM   #33 
  - We are all capable of stopping it...  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 11:15 AM   #62 
  - I think it's less religion and more "respect". They want the "respect" they don't get from us.  FormerDittoHead   Aug-12-11 09:17 AM   #34 
  - "Respect" This is insightful.  patrice   Aug-12-11 09:52 AM   #38 
  - They show ultimate disrespect for us by telling us we are abomination  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 10:21 AM   #46 
     - I know, HBB, because I do know them personally and have known them most of my life.  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:10 PM   #69 
  - My parents were Baptist, but I attended parochial schools  catrose   Aug-12-11 02:18 PM   #95 
  - I also can no longer recognize the USA. 50 years ago, people would be laughing their heads off at  sinkingfeeling   Aug-12-11 09:46 AM   #36 
  - Eisenhower may have fired a handgun.  deaniac21   Aug-12-11 09:50 AM   #37 
  - True, but he never wore his old uniform as a civilian n/t  eridani   Aug-13-11 06:11 AM   #133 
  - In the country in which I was raised, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann would be . . .  ChoppinBroccoli   Aug-12-11 09:59 AM   #40 
  - They still would be unqualified to work at 7-11  Cleita   Aug-12-11 10:08 AM   #43 
  - I think testing them for chemicals be it drugs or mercury is in order just to rule out those things.  glinda   Aug-12-11 10:07 AM   #42 
  - tests needed  jbfam4   Aug-12-11 10:42 AM   #53 
     - That won't happen.  glinda   Aug-12-11 04:50 PM   #105 
  - My thoughts exactly. Why does anyone pay any attention to these nuts?  joanbarnes   Aug-12-11 10:24 AM   #47 
  - This is the fruit of "Triangulation". Most of the "mainstream" Republicans of old have repositioned  Romulox   Aug-12-11 10:24 AM   #48 
  - That's one of the biggest truths in this entire thread.  Stinky The Clown   Aug-12-11 05:55 PM   #115 
  - Indeed. All the Democrats became Republicans, and all the Republicans  eridani   Aug-13-11 06:12 AM   #134 
  - Today's NYT. "Rick Perry's Unanswered Prayers.  Fuddnik   Aug-12-11 10:25 AM   #49 
  - The evangelicals breed like rabbits  NewJeffCT   Aug-12-11 10:42 AM   #55 
  - I am believing religion is a disease  kwolf68   Aug-12-11 10:54 AM   #60 
  - I can't tell you how many times I've thought the same thing.  EFerrari   Aug-12-11 10:57 AM   #61 
  - Funny you should mention that. After years of dreaming about "houses", I stopped for  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:17 PM   #72 
  - Stinky, I've lurked for years and always loved your posts and I couldn't agree more...  progress2k12nbynd   Aug-12-11 11:30 AM   #63 
  - "The Republican Party fears its base. The Democratic Party loathes its base." - David Frum  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-12-11 11:42 AM   #64 
  - That is the first intelligent thing I've heard from Frum.  mochajava666   Aug-12-11 04:58 PM   #106 
  - Maybe God is taking a vacation and temporarily let Rod Serling take over.  Kablooie   Aug-12-11 12:08 PM   #67 
  - Oh, Stinky, you're spot on!  Emit   Aug-12-11 12:09 PM   #68 
  - It frightens me.  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:13 PM   #70 
  - So many families are so fucked up, make lots of mistakes in parenting, teachers are left  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:29 PM   #74 
     - Agreed. Teachers get left holding the bag for an entire fucked up society  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:33 PM   #78 
        - Yep! You have that right, HWNN!! The Amerikkkan Way!  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:40 PM   #81 
        - I also maintain there's a not insignificant Secessionist sub-strate there. Why else would Rick Perry  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:47 PM   #83 
  - I sincerely believe that it makes absolutely no difference  irislake   Aug-12-11 12:32 PM   #76 
  - And this is entirely because of the Koch funded DLC.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-12-11 12:45 PM   #82 
  - Yep, many repukes are to the right of insanity these days...  on point   Aug-12-11 12:53 PM   #85 
  - They would have been run out of town for their extremisms  liberal N proud   Aug-12-11 01:19 PM   #87 
  - Reagan brought fundamentalism to the White House  young_at_heart   Aug-12-11 01:51 PM   #88 
  - Yep. And they invested in media consolidation, their own  alsame   Aug-12-11 02:17 PM   #94 
  - The only news media people I see, even saying they are  EC   Aug-12-11 02:13 PM   #93 
  - It might pay to bear in mind  Doc Holliday   Aug-12-11 04:04 PM   #99 
  - Perry did not create jobs, he REMOVED them from other states  on point   Aug-12-11 05:05 PM   #108 
  - Follow the money. The "nuts" are filling the media's pockets.  RagAss   Aug-12-11 04:45 PM   #104 
  - Actually it's an alternate universe switched on us while we slept.  lunatica   Aug-12-11 04:11 PM   #100 
  - If Adams and Franklin were alive today, tsk,tsk,tsk!!! n/t  socialindependocrat   Aug-12-11 04:42 PM   #102 
  - At the end of the last century, the rapturists crawled out of the woodwork. It was predicted.  Major Hogwash   Aug-12-11 04:59 PM   #107 
  - It is the Wal-Martization of America. Cheap, plastic cock-suckers have a chance now.  callous taoboy   Aug-12-11 05:07 PM   #109 
  - Interesting analysis. I'm a bit confused by your comparison though and view on religion/candidates  alp227   Aug-12-11 05:45 PM   #114 
  - Actually their religion isn't that bad -- that's the problem  DaveJ   Aug-12-11 06:59 PM   #120 
  - BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! eom.  Hotler   Aug-12-11 06:39 PM   #116 
  - K&R  pleah   Aug-12-11 06:41 PM   #117 
  - I remember that country...  dash_bannon   Aug-12-11 06:58 PM   #119 
  - Heinlein may have had better precognition than anyone knew...  PavePusher   Aug-12-11 07:05 PM   #121 
  - the more these types run, the more they become the norm  spanone   Aug-12-11 07:14 PM   #123 
  - already done that  pleah   Aug-12-11 07:31 PM   #124 
  - Fox News chief -they are running the show and everyone is reacting to them  underpants   Aug-12-11 07:35 PM   #125 
  - Rec #200 - You earned it, Stinky!  Bozita   Aug-12-11 08:25 PM   #127 
  - Reagan's Legacy.  GeorgeGist   Aug-12-11 09:14 PM   #128 
  - There has always been stupid...  AlbertCat   Aug-12-11 09:42 PM   #129 
  - I blame the media for instilling lunacy in us peons  upi402   Aug-13-11 12:53 AM   #132 
  - They are both "dumb" which is a necessary quality for a winning GOP candidate.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-13-11 06:58 AM   #135 
  - Gee, Stink, I grew up watching George Wallace run for Pres.  Bluenorthwest   Aug-13-11 07:46 AM   #136 
  - By your statement, I am a fan of Pat Buchannan. I resent your saying that.  Stinky The Clown   Aug-13-11 07:58 AM   #139 
  - The country in which we were raised no longer exists  NMMNG   Aug-13-11 07:53 AM   #138 

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