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34. I think it's less religion and more "respect". They want the "respect" they don't get from us.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 09:21 AM by FormerDittoHead
To many people, religion is not just a given belief in what happens after you die.

To many people, religion is more than just a set of rules of conduct to follow.

To many, religion is their society, in most every way you can define that word.

It is their parents, their family, their neighbors, their history as a people, their world. I would remind you that the Scopes "monkey" trial and Prohibition happened in the lifetimes of many people's grandparents (my father was in his mid 20's when prohibition started).

I'm on the same page with others who question the bible, its origin, its interpretation(s) and the people who act citing it as their inspiration.

But at the same time the reason, I believe, that many Christians view criticism of their beliefs as an indictment of their entire world, including their personal judgment to believe in Christ.

That's why, I believe, they get so "offended" when you question their beliefs, if you saw that Bill Maher documentary.

When you say you don't believe in Christ, for example, to them, you're saying you don't RESPECT *them*, their parents who taught them Christ, their family, their community, everything.

We have a lot to offer Christians, but we haven't figured out a way to reconcile our support for abortion and gays with them, and so we must let Republicans maintain a virtual monopoly over this voting block.

worth reading:
JIMMY CARTER, MICHELE BACHMANN AND THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT:
http://www.thefireinsider.com/?p=694
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  -You know, in the country in which I was raised, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann would be . . . . Stinky The Clown  Aug-12-11 07:31 AM   #0 
  - I have been walking around for some years thinking  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 07:38 AM   #1 
  - I agree with you HillbillyBob  madokie   Aug-12-11 07:44 AM   #5 
  - Love Heilein. Aldous Huxley as well.  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 07:55 AM   #7 
  - "Vulcan's Hammer" by Philip K. Dick (1960) was prescient as well....  mwb970   Aug-12-11 07:59 AM   #9 
  - That sounds like a winner. Thanks!  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 08:05 AM   #14 
  - This was the edition I read as a kid. It was a "double novel" paperback.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 11:59 AM   #65 
     - Amazon has  quarbis   Aug-12-11 04:33 PM   #101 
     - Yeah, I saw it there.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 06:43 PM   #118 
     - That is the pure, uncut stuffs....  Bluenorthwest   Aug-13-11 07:52 AM   #137 
  - I will have to pu a copy..I am a voracious reader..and have missed that one  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 08:08 AM   #16 
  - Excellent books all.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:42 AM   #54 
  - Read again Heinlein's "If This Goes On..."  cactusfractal   Aug-12-11 10:49 AM   #58 
  - Oh, just chill out and take your Soma.  gauguin57   Aug-12-11 08:03 PM   #126 
  - +1 - These people are dangerous. n/t  Scuba   Aug-12-11 08:23 AM   #22 
  - I met Heinlein in the late 60's as teenager and got to talk to him and his brother.  gordianot   Aug-12-11 10:18 AM   #44 
  - I am seriously envious.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:44 AM   #56 
     - Be careful what you wish for. Writers can be among the most self-involved jerks around.  Bette Noir   Aug-12-11 12:15 PM   #71 
     - You don't know what you're talking about -  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-12-11 12:49 PM   #84 
     - LOL. True sometimes  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 01:55 PM   #89 
     - Heinlein and his brother were over grown kids wading the muck in the creek.  gordianot   Aug-12-11 02:32 PM   #96 
        - Neo-con? Heh, I don't really think so.  PavePusher   Aug-12-11 07:12 PM   #122 
  - The trying to bring it on is what really scares me about these people  liberal N proud   Aug-12-11 01:15 PM   #86 
  - The problem is  itsnotaboutu   Aug-13-11 12:50 AM   #131 
  - I've mostly recovered long ago but  HillWilliam   Aug-13-11 08:36 AM   #140 
  - You and me both Bob  BobbyBoring   Aug-12-11 02:55 PM   #97 
  - You got that right  madokie   Aug-12-11 07:39 AM   #2 
  - I've been alive since 1955, and I noticed the change with Reagan  catbyte   Aug-12-11 07:42 AM   #4 
  - I think that's when the former "Moonies" went mainstream.  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 08:02 AM   #10 
  - Buddah-boom!  HillWilliam   Aug-13-11 08:40 AM   #141 
  - That was when they started to come out of their churches onto the stage  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 08:06 AM   #15 
  - When I saw the transformation of a couple of my  Greybnk48   Aug-12-11 08:12 AM   #17 
  - FYI The Sadducees  USMCMustang   Aug-12-11 10:21 AM   #45 
  - I remember growing up in this era and the religious crazies being marginalized  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:30 PM   #75 
     - I went to a "Holy Roller" summer camp once  Art_from_Ark   Aug-13-11 12:34 AM   #130 
  - I agree. Reagan put us into a steep decline, and we've never fixed it.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 12:06 PM   #66 
  - I think it really started long before Raygun  HillWilliam   Aug-13-11 08:50 AM   #142 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-11 04:43 PM   #103 
     - Pizza, please!!  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 05:10 PM   #110 
     - How do you remove God ? I thought he/she was all powerful?  BlueJazz   Aug-12-11 05:21 PM   #111 
     - Sorry Lenny, but your Xtian Crap is just that  maheanuu   Aug-12-11 05:39 PM   #113 
  - Just grasping at straws here, but isn't it partly due to the  russspeakeasy   Aug-12-11 10:34 AM   #52 
  - K & R. n/t  FSogol   Aug-12-11 07:41 AM   #3 
  - Yep.  muffin1   Aug-12-11 07:51 AM   #6 
  - I can't believe the entire Republican Party is batshitcrazy.  nc4bo   Aug-12-11 07:59 AM   #8 
  - Well, both parties have been moving steadily to the right.  muffin1   Aug-12-11 08:13 AM   #18 
  - It's more than that. It is a cataclysmic shift.  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:38 PM   #80 
  - I think you've got that backwards  Art_from_Ark   Aug-14-11 05:10 AM   #143 
  - Many of the old-line sensible Repubs were simply purged  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 08:58 AM   #28 
     - They ran all of the sane ones out in Florida.  Fuddnik   Aug-12-11 10:31 AM   #51 
     - Which is why we need to retake the local parties.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:48 AM   #57 
  - No, the current crop of Republicans is way beyond what was "fringe" in the '60s.  Bette Noir   Aug-12-11 12:35 PM   #79 
     - You got that right  BobbyBoring   Aug-12-11 03:00 PM   #98 
  - Is this because people CAN'T or because they WON'T see through the bullshit?  patrice   Aug-12-11 08:04 AM   #11 
  - You have the correct answer! The country has become dumber than ever!  dmosh42   Aug-12-11 09:13 AM   #32 
     - There is a point at which the stupid could achieve critical mass. I personally don't believe we're  patrice   Aug-12-11 09:58 AM   #39 
        - P.S. But I do believe that point is FAST approaching. nt  patrice   Aug-12-11 10:01 AM   #41 
  - until the late 70's it was considered unseemly and fringe even in Evangelical circles  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-12-11 08:04 AM   #12 
  - More important is how can we turn it back?  woodsprite   Aug-12-11 08:18 AM   #20 
  - For one thing, drive wedges where you can...  JHB   Aug-12-11 09:33 AM   #35 
     - You could also point out the many, many violations of Christ's teachings by conservatives.  mwb970   Aug-12-11 12:19 PM   #73 
  - Falwell and Robertson. nt  hifiguy   Aug-12-11 08:59 AM   #29 
  - How did it happen? One word - money. n/t  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 10:51 AM   #59 
  - Silent majority becomes less of a majority and so becomes less silent. I think it is last gasp,  Hissyspit   Aug-12-11 05:23 PM   #112 
  - Great Post.....Welcome to The Future  Armstead   Aug-12-11 08:05 AM   #13 
  - I was just thinking the other day, that what is happening in  EC   Aug-12-11 01:57 PM   #90 
  - The Repub party is making a laughingstock of being Christian.  woodsprite   Aug-12-11 08:15 AM   #19 
  - I just thought with all of them saying God told them to run  EC   Aug-12-11 02:03 PM   #91 
  - I was a liberal Presbyterian too,  dgibby   Aug-12-11 02:05 PM   #92 
  - Yes, I remember those days and back then the Republican Party,  Cleita   Aug-12-11 08:21 AM   #21 
  - You nailed it  get the red out   Aug-12-11 08:35 AM   #23 
  - That cartoon song should be used by Jon Stewart  Cleita   Aug-12-11 08:41 AM   #24 
  - Crazy is IN. (nt)  DirkGently   Aug-12-11 08:43 AM   #25 
  - I started reading Stinky's OP...  RevStPatrick   Aug-12-11 08:46 AM   #26 
  - Reinforcing fanaticism and hate daily...  moondust   Aug-12-11 08:55 AM   #27 
  - I don't think Perry will go as far as some pundits think...  ecstatic   Aug-12-11 09:03 AM   #30 
  - i hope not,  justabob   Aug-12-11 10:29 AM   #50 
  - 2nd  krabigirl   Aug-12-11 12:33 PM   #77 
  - I'm astonished by how fast it all went in the crapper  CanonRay   Aug-12-11 09:09 AM   #31 
  - Well Said, STC.  Paladin   Aug-12-11 09:14 AM   #33 
  - We are all capable of stopping it...  MedicalAdmin   Aug-12-11 11:15 AM   #62 
  - I think it's less religion and more "respect". They want the "respect" they don't get from us.  FormerDittoHead   Aug-12-11 09:17 AM   #34 
  - "Respect" This is insightful.  patrice   Aug-12-11 09:52 AM   #38 
  - They show ultimate disrespect for us by telling us we are abomination  HillbillyBob   Aug-12-11 10:21 AM   #46 
     - I know, HBB, because I do know them personally and have known them most of my life.  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:10 PM   #69 
  - My parents were Baptist, but I attended parochial schools  catrose   Aug-12-11 02:18 PM   #95 
  - I also can no longer recognize the USA. 50 years ago, people would be laughing their heads off at  sinkingfeeling   Aug-12-11 09:46 AM   #36 
  - Eisenhower may have fired a handgun.  deaniac21   Aug-12-11 09:50 AM   #37 
  - True, but he never wore his old uniform as a civilian n/t  eridani   Aug-13-11 06:11 AM   #133 
  - In the country in which I was raised, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann would be . . .  ChoppinBroccoli   Aug-12-11 09:59 AM   #40 
  - They still would be unqualified to work at 7-11  Cleita   Aug-12-11 10:08 AM   #43 
  - I think testing them for chemicals be it drugs or mercury is in order just to rule out those things.  glinda   Aug-12-11 10:07 AM   #42 
  - tests needed  jbfam4   Aug-12-11 10:42 AM   #53 
     - That won't happen.  glinda   Aug-12-11 04:50 PM   #105 
  - My thoughts exactly. Why does anyone pay any attention to these nuts?  joanbarnes   Aug-12-11 10:24 AM   #47 
  - This is the fruit of "Triangulation". Most of the "mainstream" Republicans of old have repositioned  Romulox   Aug-12-11 10:24 AM   #48 
  - That's one of the biggest truths in this entire thread.  Stinky The Clown   Aug-12-11 05:55 PM   #115 
  - Indeed. All the Democrats became Republicans, and all the Republicans  eridani   Aug-13-11 06:12 AM   #134 
  - Today's NYT. "Rick Perry's Unanswered Prayers.  Fuddnik   Aug-12-11 10:25 AM   #49 
  - The evangelicals breed like rabbits  NewJeffCT   Aug-12-11 10:42 AM   #55 
  - I am believing religion is a disease  kwolf68   Aug-12-11 10:54 AM   #60 
  - I can't tell you how many times I've thought the same thing.  EFerrari   Aug-12-11 10:57 AM   #61 
  - Funny you should mention that. After years of dreaming about "houses", I stopped for  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:17 PM   #72 
  - Stinky, I've lurked for years and always loved your posts and I couldn't agree more...  progress2k12nbynd   Aug-12-11 11:30 AM   #63 
  - "The Republican Party fears its base. The Democratic Party loathes its base." - David Frum  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-12-11 11:42 AM   #64 
  - That is the first intelligent thing I've heard from Frum.  mochajava666   Aug-12-11 04:58 PM   #106 
  - Maybe God is taking a vacation and temporarily let Rod Serling take over.  Kablooie   Aug-12-11 12:08 PM   #67 
  - Oh, Stinky, you're spot on!  Emit   Aug-12-11 12:09 PM   #68 
  - It frightens me.  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:13 PM   #70 
  - So many families are so fucked up, make lots of mistakes in parenting, teachers are left  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:29 PM   #74 
     - Agreed. Teachers get left holding the bag for an entire fucked up society  Horse with no Name   Aug-12-11 12:33 PM   #78 
        - Yep! You have that right, HWNN!! The Amerikkkan Way!  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:40 PM   #81 
        - I also maintain there's a not insignificant Secessionist sub-strate there. Why else would Rick Perry  patrice   Aug-12-11 12:47 PM   #83 
  - I sincerely believe that it makes absolutely no difference  irislake   Aug-12-11 12:32 PM   #76 
  - And this is entirely because of the Koch funded DLC.  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-12-11 12:45 PM   #82 
  - Yep, many repukes are to the right of insanity these days...  on point   Aug-12-11 12:53 PM   #85 
  - They would have been run out of town for their extremisms  liberal N proud   Aug-12-11 01:19 PM   #87 
  - Reagan brought fundamentalism to the White House  young_at_heart   Aug-12-11 01:51 PM   #88 
  - Yep. And they invested in media consolidation, their own  alsame   Aug-12-11 02:17 PM   #94 
  - The only news media people I see, even saying they are  EC   Aug-12-11 02:13 PM   #93 
  - It might pay to bear in mind  Doc Holliday   Aug-12-11 04:04 PM   #99 
  - Perry did not create jobs, he REMOVED them from other states  on point   Aug-12-11 05:05 PM   #108 
  - Follow the money. The "nuts" are filling the media's pockets.  RagAss   Aug-12-11 04:45 PM   #104 
  - Actually it's an alternate universe switched on us while we slept.  lunatica   Aug-12-11 04:11 PM   #100 
  - If Adams and Franklin were alive today, tsk,tsk,tsk!!! n/t  socialindependocrat   Aug-12-11 04:42 PM   #102 
  - At the end of the last century, the rapturists crawled out of the woodwork. It was predicted.  Major Hogwash   Aug-12-11 04:59 PM   #107 
  - It is the Wal-Martization of America. Cheap, plastic cock-suckers have a chance now.  callous taoboy   Aug-12-11 05:07 PM   #109 
  - Interesting analysis. I'm a bit confused by your comparison though and view on religion/candidates  alp227   Aug-12-11 05:45 PM   #114 
  - Actually their religion isn't that bad -- that's the problem  DaveJ   Aug-12-11 06:59 PM   #120 
  - BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! eom.  Hotler   Aug-12-11 06:39 PM   #116 
  - K&R  pleah   Aug-12-11 06:41 PM   #117 
  - I remember that country...  dash_bannon   Aug-12-11 06:58 PM   #119 
  - Heinlein may have had better precognition than anyone knew...  PavePusher   Aug-12-11 07:05 PM   #121 
  - the more these types run, the more they become the norm  spanone   Aug-12-11 07:14 PM   #123 
  - already done that  pleah   Aug-12-11 07:31 PM   #124 
  - Fox News chief -they are running the show and everyone is reacting to them  underpants   Aug-12-11 07:35 PM   #125 
  - Rec #200 - You earned it, Stinky!  Bozita   Aug-12-11 08:25 PM   #127 
  - Reagan's Legacy.  GeorgeGist   Aug-12-11 09:14 PM   #128 
  - There has always been stupid...  AlbertCat   Aug-12-11 09:42 PM   #129 
  - I blame the media for instilling lunacy in us peons  upi402   Aug-13-11 12:53 AM   #132 
  - They are both "dumb" which is a necessary quality for a winning GOP candidate.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-13-11 06:58 AM   #135 
  - Gee, Stink, I grew up watching George Wallace run for Pres.  Bluenorthwest   Aug-13-11 07:46 AM   #136 
  - By your statement, I am a fan of Pat Buchannan. I resent your saying that.  Stinky The Clown   Aug-13-11 07:58 AM   #139 
  - The country in which we were raised no longer exists  NMMNG   Aug-13-11 07:53 AM   #138 
 

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