Liberal_Stalwart71
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Wed Aug-10-11 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #39 |
| 46. Yeah, but you didn't know that there is more than just a filibuster available |
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to stall or obstruct legislation.
The HOLD is a very powerful tool in that regard. If you remember Richard Shelby's threat to place an indefinite and "collective hold" on ALL of Obama's judicial nominees, that was the only story regarding Republican obstructionism that received at mainstream media airtime.
Democrats can't do much because it takes ONE Senator to stop everything, which essentially is what a HOLD is meant to do.
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| -The reason I think so many of us are mad at President Obama |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-10-11 04:00 PM |
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The easiest job in the world? With a Senate that filibustered |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:03 PM |
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agreed. |
flor-de-jasmim |
Aug-10-11 04:05 PM |
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The truth is, is that I really like Obama. He's a HUGE breath of fresh air in DC. |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-11-11 12:09 PM |
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The Senate was never even expected to REALLY filibuster... |
polichick |
Aug-10-11 04:06 PM |
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And that was Obama's fault how? n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:08 PM |
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Ever heard of leadership? Or the bully pulpit? |
closeupready |
Aug-10-11 04:17 PM |
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Leadership isn't dictatorship. And the bully pulpit barely exists in these days of 24 hour cable TV. |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:01 PM |
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Right, because when I said leadership, I actually meant dictatorship. |
closeupready |
Aug-11-11 10:07 AM |
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I didn't mention the prez - I was responding to a comment about the Senate. |
polichick |
Aug-10-11 07:09 PM |
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That has been a rule |
polmaven |
Aug-10-11 04:42 PM |
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Things have gotten too dysfunctional for that - it's time to get real. |
polichick |
Aug-10-11 07:10 PM |
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Was filibuster-proof there for a while buddy. |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-10-11 04:06 PM |
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Not for a single minute, pal. |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:09 PM |
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Lieberman wouldn't have mattered if the President had rallied his base into a frenzy |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-11-11 12:05 PM |
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That's your excuse? |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-11 02:59 PM |
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no it was not |
uponit7771 |
Aug-11-11 09:55 AM |
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The Republicans did not filibuster, they threatened to filibuster. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:08 PM |
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According to the Senate rules -- which Obama had nothing to do with -- |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:10 PM |
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Can I see the rule? I asked my Senator about it, and he did not mention any rules. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:18 PM |
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Senate rule 22, |
polmaven |
Aug-10-11 04:47 PM |
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That says the filibuster is for debate. The Democrats did not make the Republicans debate, |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:56 PM |
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So you think there is no rule? It's all a big lie? n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:57 PM |
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I don't think there is a rule saying the threat of a filibuster needs cloture. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:01 PM |
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Cloture is a vote to cut off debate prior to a vote. And it requires 60 votes, |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:03 PM |
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Then make them stand and debate hour after hour. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:14 PM |
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Obama can't make Congress do anything. It's called "Separation of Powers." |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 06:16 PM |
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I am not talking about President Obama. I am talking about the Senate Democrats. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 07:54 PM |
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But the OP is about why people are mad at Obama. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 11:53 PM |
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Yes, that is true. I was just making a comment about the filibuster. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-11-11 01:13 AM |
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I wouldn't say it's a BIG lie n/t |
GOTV |
Aug-11-11 11:11 AM |
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I agree. |
Guilded Lilly |
Aug-10-11 04:26 PM |
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We could actually make the Republicans filibuster, instead of just threatening to filibuster. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:57 PM |
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Maybe "we" could have, but Obama couldn't have. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:04 PM |
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By "we," I meant Senate Democrats. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:09 PM |
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Then why not MAKE them do a filibuster? |
PVnRT |
Aug-11-11 07:14 AM |
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Thanks for the reality check |
texshelters |
Aug-10-11 04:17 PM |
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If you're into "reality," I'd think you'd have objected |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:06 PM |
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Umm, I wasn't talking about that... |
texshelters |
Aug-12-11 12:58 PM |
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In the absence of a filibuster, there is another obstruction technique that the Republicans |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:16 PM |
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I am not trying to blame President Obama, I am trying to blame the Senate. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:18 PM |
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Yeah, but you didn't know that there is more than just a filibuster available |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:35 PM |
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Holds are not official, and can be ignored. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:41 PM |
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Yes, you're right. Holds *can* be ignored, but what typically follows |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:59 PM |
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Think the Senate Democrats should make the Republicans actually filibuster. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 07:53 PM |
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Yep. |
Wait Wut |
Aug-11-11 12:15 PM |
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The reason that people are angry is: |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-10-11 04:14 PM |
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You made for me a condensed statement: |
PufPuf23 |
Aug-10-11 04:17 PM |
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He IS being himself and he never HAD any principles. |
Maven |
Aug-10-11 04:22 PM |
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People blame Congress when Obama fails |
texshelters |
Aug-10-11 04:26 PM |
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Congress wanted Bush's agenda, for the most part |
killbotfactory |
Aug-10-11 04:40 PM |
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I am talking about people here at DU |
texshelters |
Aug-12-11 12:57 PM |
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Really good post |
SmileyRose |
Aug-10-11 04:26 PM |
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stick to his principles? |
Coyote_Bandit |
Aug-10-11 04:33 PM |
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The reason so many are mad at Obama is that there is one core |
JoePhilly |
Aug-10-11 04:47 PM |
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Well it's a two way street. Your "equivalency is false. |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 05:21 PM |
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You are ABSOLUTELY right! When both sides share the same frame, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:27 PM |
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Weeeelllll, I would challenge that assumption |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 05:37 PM |
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O.K., I take that point because I'm also a political activist and very involved in |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:57 PM |
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Collectively, I agree with you. |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 07:37 PM |
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"We" criticize the President to try and get things we want |
PVnRT |
Aug-11-11 07:17 AM |
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I think my frustration stems from his oratory skills. |
Bonhomme Richard |
Aug-10-11 04:51 PM |
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Explained it well -- I'm not "far left" but I totally agree about the lost opportunity |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 05:08 PM |
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The "easiest job," eh? Unrec'ing based on that ridiculous statement alone! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:10 PM |
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I'm not mad. I'm disgusted. |
DeSwiss |
Aug-10-11 05:12 PM |
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So, what do you mean "he was also handed the easiest job in the world"? |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:16 PM |
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I'm not mad, just disappointed. |
Rex |
Aug-10-11 05:22 PM |
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The first sentence is so fucking stupid I didn't even get to the period. |
DevonRex |
Aug-10-11 05:24 PM |
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I'm not mad at him but I'm really disappointed in him |
tularetom |
Aug-10-11 05:28 PM |
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Being a candidate is much easier than being a president |
loyalsister |
Aug-10-11 05:35 PM |
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In 2008, The American People gave the Democratic Party: |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 05:35 PM |
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Not Exactly |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 06:37 PM |
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I got it. |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 06:43 PM |
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Actually bvar22 |
tgal |
Aug-10-11 07:15 PM |
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I Can Totally Imagine LIEberman Saying Exactly That |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 07:34 PM |
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Obama didn't have to go along with selling us out to the insurance companies |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-11 09:50 PM |
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He Could Have Settled For Nothing, Which is What We Got Last Time |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 09:56 PM |
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Nothing is what most of us got this time |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-11 10:04 PM |
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They Can't Blackball You for Pre-Existing Conditions Anymore |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 10:20 PM |
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But they can jack the premium cost up so high you won't be able to afford it |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-11 10:45 PM |
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It is a nice crumb, |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-11 08:16 AM |
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The President & The Democratic Party could have CRUSHED Joe Lieberman |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-11 07:53 AM |
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Not a Chance. AIPAC Would Never Allow That |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-11-11 11:28 AM |
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I think he thought if he was the nice guy |
marlakay |
Aug-10-11 05:44 PM |
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i like your post a lot. but why does everyone leave out congress? |
dionysus |
Aug-10-11 07:38 PM |
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Congress is to blame too....But as the leader of the nation and party.... |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 10:57 PM |
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None of the "Carrots" or "Sticks" Work on Teabaggers |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-11-11 02:56 AM |
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You should watch this video from Rachal Maddow last nite |
Armstead |
Aug-11-11 09:53 AM |
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perhaps in politics as it used to be. never before have we had a GOP that would fillibuster every |
dionysus |
Aug-11-11 07:58 AM |
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A video I suggest you watch from Rachael Maddow |
Armstead |
Aug-11-11 09:55 AM |
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The man has no spine. No balls. No fight. |
Hotler |
Aug-10-11 07:44 PM |
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I'll tell you why so many people are mad at President Obama... |
MrScorpio |
Aug-10-11 11:02 PM |
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My God. That is an absolutely brilliant insight! -11111 |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 11:03 PM |
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That's ridiculous. People have very valid and legitimate reasons. |
Tatiana |
Aug-11-11 11:25 AM |
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All the armchair Presidents have no idea what he's actually dealing with.. |
HipChick |
Aug-11-11 01:17 AM |
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Maybe a little bit of positive strategizing instead of negative defeatism might help |
Armstead |
Aug-11-11 10:19 AM |
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I can boil it down to a very short paragraph. |
JoeyT |
Aug-11-11 07:05 AM |
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because the media keeps telling us he isn't doing anything...very effective |
spanone |
Aug-11-11 07:58 AM |
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Sorry, but I stopped reading after "the easiest job in the world" n/t |
Inuca |
Aug-11-11 09:57 AM |
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Yup, all he had to do was NOT be George Bush. |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-11-11 12:10 PM |
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Very superficial "analysis", sorry, you are wrong n/t |
Inuca |
Aug-11-11 12:36 PM |
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More magical thinking! |
JNinWB |
Aug-11-11 10:31 AM |
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Who in the party has the balls to primary Obama? |
Hart2008 |
Aug-11-11 10:45 AM |
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Like Reagan, there will be huge payoff from Wall St when his terms end |
dmosh42 |
Aug-11-11 12:24 PM |
#99 |
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