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Wed Aug-10-11 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #16 |
| 19. Congress wanted Bush's agenda, for the most part |
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And yes, they were blamed. That's why democrats regained control in 2006.
Republicans in congress blocked or stalled large parts of Obama's agenda, and you blame Obama for not being a progressive firebrand, as if that would magically change the motives and political strategy of the republicans and allow him to get his way.
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| -The reason I think so many of us are mad at President Obama |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-10-11 04:00 PM |
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The easiest job in the world? With a Senate that filibustered |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:03 PM |
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agreed. |
flor-de-jasmim |
Aug-10-11 04:05 PM |
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The truth is, is that I really like Obama. He's a HUGE breath of fresh air in DC. |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-11-11 12:09 PM |
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The Senate was never even expected to REALLY filibuster... |
polichick |
Aug-10-11 04:06 PM |
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And that was Obama's fault how? n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:08 PM |
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Ever heard of leadership? Or the bully pulpit? |
closeupready |
Aug-10-11 04:17 PM |
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Leadership isn't dictatorship. And the bully pulpit barely exists in these days of 24 hour cable TV. |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:01 PM |
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Right, because when I said leadership, I actually meant dictatorship. |
closeupready |
Aug-11-11 10:07 AM |
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I didn't mention the prez - I was responding to a comment about the Senate. |
polichick |
Aug-10-11 07:09 PM |
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That has been a rule |
polmaven |
Aug-10-11 04:42 PM |
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Things have gotten too dysfunctional for that - it's time to get real. |
polichick |
Aug-10-11 07:10 PM |
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Was filibuster-proof there for a while buddy. |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-10-11 04:06 PM |
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Not for a single minute, pal. |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:09 PM |
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Lieberman wouldn't have mattered if the President had rallied his base into a frenzy |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-11-11 12:05 PM |
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That's your excuse? |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-11 02:59 PM |
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no it was not |
uponit7771 |
Aug-11-11 09:55 AM |
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The Republicans did not filibuster, they threatened to filibuster. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:08 PM |
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According to the Senate rules -- which Obama had nothing to do with -- |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:10 PM |
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Can I see the rule? I asked my Senator about it, and he did not mention any rules. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:18 PM |
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Senate rule 22, |
polmaven |
Aug-10-11 04:47 PM |
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That says the filibuster is for debate. The Democrats did not make the Republicans debate, |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:56 PM |
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So you think there is no rule? It's all a big lie? n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 04:57 PM |
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I don't think there is a rule saying the threat of a filibuster needs cloture. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:01 PM |
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Cloture is a vote to cut off debate prior to a vote. And it requires 60 votes, |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:03 PM |
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Then make them stand and debate hour after hour. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:14 PM |
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Obama can't make Congress do anything. It's called "Separation of Powers." |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 06:16 PM |
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I am not talking about President Obama. I am talking about the Senate Democrats. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 07:54 PM |
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But the OP is about why people are mad at Obama. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 11:53 PM |
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Yes, that is true. I was just making a comment about the filibuster. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-11-11 01:13 AM |
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I wouldn't say it's a BIG lie n/t |
GOTV |
Aug-11-11 11:11 AM |
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I agree. |
Guilded Lilly |
Aug-10-11 04:26 PM |
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We could actually make the Republicans filibuster, instead of just threatening to filibuster. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 04:57 PM |
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Maybe "we" could have, but Obama couldn't have. n/t |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:04 PM |
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By "we," I meant Senate Democrats. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:09 PM |
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Then why not MAKE them do a filibuster? |
PVnRT |
Aug-11-11 07:14 AM |
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Thanks for the reality check |
texshelters |
Aug-10-11 04:17 PM |
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If you're into "reality," I'd think you'd have objected |
pnwmom |
Aug-10-11 05:06 PM |
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Umm, I wasn't talking about that... |
texshelters |
Aug-12-11 12:58 PM |
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In the absence of a filibuster, there is another obstruction technique that the Republicans |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:16 PM |
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I am not trying to blame President Obama, I am trying to blame the Senate. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:18 PM |
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Yeah, but you didn't know that there is more than just a filibuster available |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:35 PM |
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Holds are not official, and can be ignored. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:41 PM |
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Yes, you're right. Holds *can* be ignored, but what typically follows |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:59 PM |
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Think the Senate Democrats should make the Republicans actually filibuster. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 07:53 PM |
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Yep. |
Wait Wut |
Aug-11-11 12:15 PM |
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The reason that people are angry is: |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-10-11 04:14 PM |
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You made for me a condensed statement: |
PufPuf23 |
Aug-10-11 04:17 PM |
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He IS being himself and he never HAD any principles. |
Maven |
Aug-10-11 04:22 PM |
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People blame Congress when Obama fails |
texshelters |
Aug-10-11 04:26 PM |
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Congress wanted Bush's agenda, for the most part |
killbotfactory |
Aug-10-11 04:40 PM |
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I am talking about people here at DU |
texshelters |
Aug-12-11 12:57 PM |
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Really good post |
SmileyRose |
Aug-10-11 04:26 PM |
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stick to his principles? |
Coyote_Bandit |
Aug-10-11 04:33 PM |
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The reason so many are mad at Obama is that there is one core |
JoePhilly |
Aug-10-11 04:47 PM |
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Well it's a two way street. Your "equivalency is false. |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 05:21 PM |
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You are ABSOLUTELY right! When both sides share the same frame, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:27 PM |
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Weeeelllll, I would challenge that assumption |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 05:37 PM |
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O.K., I take that point because I'm also a political activist and very involved in |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:57 PM |
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Collectively, I agree with you. |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 07:37 PM |
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"We" criticize the President to try and get things we want |
PVnRT |
Aug-11-11 07:17 AM |
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I think my frustration stems from his oratory skills. |
Bonhomme Richard |
Aug-10-11 04:51 PM |
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Explained it well -- I'm not "far left" but I totally agree about the lost opportunity |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 05:08 PM |
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The "easiest job," eh? Unrec'ing based on that ridiculous statement alone! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Aug-10-11 05:10 PM |
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I'm not mad. I'm disgusted. |
DeSwiss |
Aug-10-11 05:12 PM |
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So, what do you mean "he was also handed the easiest job in the world"? |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-11 05:16 PM |
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I'm not mad, just disappointed. |
Rex |
Aug-10-11 05:22 PM |
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The first sentence is so fucking stupid I didn't even get to the period. |
DevonRex |
Aug-10-11 05:24 PM |
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I'm not mad at him but I'm really disappointed in him |
tularetom |
Aug-10-11 05:28 PM |
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Being a candidate is much easier than being a president |
loyalsister |
Aug-10-11 05:35 PM |
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In 2008, The American People gave the Democratic Party: |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 05:35 PM |
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Not Exactly |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 06:37 PM |
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I got it. |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 06:43 PM |
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Actually bvar22 |
tgal |
Aug-10-11 07:15 PM |
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I Can Totally Imagine LIEberman Saying Exactly That |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 07:34 PM |
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Obama didn't have to go along with selling us out to the insurance companies |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-11 09:50 PM |
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He Could Have Settled For Nothing, Which is What We Got Last Time |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 09:56 PM |
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Nothing is what most of us got this time |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-11 10:04 PM |
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They Can't Blackball You for Pre-Existing Conditions Anymore |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-10-11 10:20 PM |
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But they can jack the premium cost up so high you won't be able to afford it |
dflprincess |
Aug-10-11 10:45 PM |
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It is a nice crumb, |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-11 08:16 AM |
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The President & The Democratic Party could have CRUSHED Joe Lieberman |
bvar22 |
Aug-11-11 07:53 AM |
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Not a Chance. AIPAC Would Never Allow That |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-11-11 11:28 AM |
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I think he thought if he was the nice guy |
marlakay |
Aug-10-11 05:44 PM |
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i like your post a lot. but why does everyone leave out congress? |
dionysus |
Aug-10-11 07:38 PM |
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Congress is to blame too....But as the leader of the nation and party.... |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 10:57 PM |
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None of the "Carrots" or "Sticks" Work on Teabaggers |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-11-11 02:56 AM |
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You should watch this video from Rachal Maddow last nite |
Armstead |
Aug-11-11 09:53 AM |
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perhaps in politics as it used to be. never before have we had a GOP that would fillibuster every |
dionysus |
Aug-11-11 07:58 AM |
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A video I suggest you watch from Rachael Maddow |
Armstead |
Aug-11-11 09:55 AM |
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The man has no spine. No balls. No fight. |
Hotler |
Aug-10-11 07:44 PM |
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I'll tell you why so many people are mad at President Obama... |
MrScorpio |
Aug-10-11 11:02 PM |
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My God. That is an absolutely brilliant insight! -11111 |
Armstead |
Aug-10-11 11:03 PM |
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That's ridiculous. People have very valid and legitimate reasons. |
Tatiana |
Aug-11-11 11:25 AM |
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All the armchair Presidents have no idea what he's actually dealing with.. |
HipChick |
Aug-11-11 01:17 AM |
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Maybe a little bit of positive strategizing instead of negative defeatism might help |
Armstead |
Aug-11-11 10:19 AM |
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I can boil it down to a very short paragraph. |
JoeyT |
Aug-11-11 07:05 AM |
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because the media keeps telling us he isn't doing anything...very effective |
spanone |
Aug-11-11 07:58 AM |
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Sorry, but I stopped reading after "the easiest job in the world" n/t |
Inuca |
Aug-11-11 09:57 AM |
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Yup, all he had to do was NOT be George Bush. |
FarLeftFist |
Aug-11-11 12:10 PM |
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Very superficial "analysis", sorry, you are wrong n/t |
Inuca |
Aug-11-11 12:36 PM |
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More magical thinking! |
JNinWB |
Aug-11-11 10:31 AM |
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Who in the party has the balls to primary Obama? |
Hart2008 |
Aug-11-11 10:45 AM |
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Like Reagan, there will be huge payoff from Wall St when his terms end |
dmosh42 |
Aug-11-11 12:24 PM |
#99 |
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